That's a problem for all types of Greeks and usually happens when people exist in a bubble, whether that's because they are elitist, antisocial, or have poor social skills, etc. :D

Not really, I'm just trying to keep from blowing all the claims out of proportion. It's odd to me, as I noted to him, that groups who feel this way don't break off, but that doesn't mean we need to give a bunch of lectures about how undergraduate guys ought to feel about their national groups.

I think it's very different to be an an undergrad active member and to be an alum. And whether it's desirable or not, from the undergraduate perspective for NPC and IFC groups, the chapter matters a lot.

ETA: again, for most of us we regard ourselves as members of national or international groups and take a lot of pride in the organization and our sisters and brothers from other chapters.

Don't bother. If you want to be the only one typing to him and to control the convo, PM him. ;)

Yes, it's supposed to be different.

Againnnnnn, the chapter matters a lot to us too.

Yeah so stick to that "norm" and let sasquatch and others be the ones to explain their approach if they so choose. :)

You make points like this a lot it seems to me.

You, as you present yourself here, never seem particularly deferential to the direct experience of other people or how people explain their situations if it differs from your own interpretation, and yet, you seem to think that some people transcend to universal understanding more than others. How does this work?

But when you force them on to the defensive, they're less likely to explain; they just try to justify.

How come I can never find that kettle around here when I need it...

Pot, you mean?

I don't think I ever make claims of universal understanding.

The same way that trying so hard to defend sasquatch's position works.

I don't think anyone is defending his position. He even seems to take if for granted.

Whichever they try to do, they are old enough to do that on their own.

This thread has taken many turns from the OT to race to jeans and now this, which he brought up knowing it would spark discussion. Go away.

No, I meant she was the pot and I was looking for the kettle ... never mind, as you were...

It's unclear what your point is.

I guess once your posts to sasquatch were typed you were given the cyber power to keep others from typing to or about the position he was expressing.

Did you just interrupt a conversation and then tell me to go away?

There's no interrupting a convo in a thread.

And yes I told you to go away.