O, Tom. I am not sure what you are saying here, but I am telling ya right here that I was kidding around. ;) And, yes, "some others" don't make the organization look good, because they have skewed the meaning of the creed and history to their own liking, primarily to get better looking pledges.

Tried it. No luck. It seems strictly a rambling aside to me.

From it, I apparently can draw the following conclusions:

Most people don't look like fashion models.
Fashion models may or may not be beautiful depending on your feelings about Latvian orphans.
People who don't look like fashion models can be beautiful.
People who don't look like fashion models but are still beautiful are progressive when they sell us cellulite cream.

Am I also supposed to conclude that now image doesn't matter in recruitment?

KathyKD, will you tell me more explicitly what I didn't get?
(I know it's my fault for leading us off course, but now I can't see my way back.)

AlphaGam, I have explained on numerous occasions what I was talking about and how it related to this thread. I am sorry if you don't understand. I don't see another way of explaining it to you. We just don't agree--let's leave it at that. :)

You have your own sort of logic that has nothing to do with the fact that 2+2=4 and the earth goes around the sun, don't you?

No, not really--my logic is not that far off, since several people have been able to understand it. And there is no need to personally attack my logic, thanks. :)

The weird part is I think I agree with you about standards of beauty and that things don't have to be cookie-cutter to be beautiful. I don't even think cookie-cutter is desirable in recruitment.

But that doesn't really help an individual or a group who is classified rightly or wrongly as "not-beautiful" at an image based recruitment.

ETA: unless you can take me back through it, seriously. I'm not making fun.

oh my gosh die thread DIE

Just for the sheer fun of it--
Live, thread, live!

Just sad, just sad for the hipocrates who posts on this!:eek:

Tom, care to be specific regarding to whom you are referring? I don't understand what you are attempting to convey.

You don't have to work out. Just get your body fat tested, then look up optimum body fat percentage, compare, and then move more and eat less until you get to that range.

Easy:)

Which side are hypocrites?

That's what I don't really understand. :confused:

First: Hold an emergency meeting with the chapter to discuss low return rates and what we, together, can do to improve those rates.

Second: Contact National Headquarters to see if they could have a Chapter Development Consultant come help with recruitment and attend recruitment itself.

Third: Meet with the other chapters of Panhellenic Council and discuss the issue of image "problems," and ask them to be supportive.

Overcoming a negative stereotype is a serious issue, but alienating your fellow group members to do so defeats the purpose of sisterhood and brotherhood. :)

I totally agree with this part, but I think what you may not realize is that every chapter we'd be talking about needing to worry about image is likely already doing those three things.

Officially, first round a lot of places is all about the benefits of going Greek generally. Within the official panhellenic circle, everyone wants to see each group take quota. But that doesn't have any effect about what people hear at parties or what fraternity boys or sorority girls say when telling their little biological sisters which groups they should try to join which then gets repeated to all her friends. We'd love for them to simply say "join the group that makes you happy" and leave it at that, but they don't always.

And you could see Tippiechicks post about chapter consultants and advice from nations for more about that.

As far as the talking as a chapter and resolving as a chapter to make certain efforts, I think it varies in it's implementation. I think the officers always put out the official word, but that at the big chapters, you may sometime run into people who disagree with the official word and kind of have their own recruitment plans.

I don't mean this in a condescending way at all (although I've been schooled in PM about disclaimers like that): but it's honestly sweet to me how idealistic you are. I'd really prefer to live in the world of your Greek Life.

SECDomination: I think I'm somewhat on the same page with you about the realities of image in recruitment. I don't think you ever insult your current members, but you have to think about marketing the chapter's strengths. You know those guys are good brothers and they know you value them. If they get asked to move tables or do food, they may not see it as a big insult. They probably don't feel as confident about chatting up the rushees as the guys you want to see do it anyway. But at the point you've got a guy that you would tell to stay home or really believe you'd be better off if he stayed home, it's a whole different issue.