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ZTAngel 10-08-2006 08:24 PM
I haven't gotten involved until now but I am so sick of this. Tippie reached out an olive branch. Blueangel, just take it. Agree to disagree and move on. It is mortifying to watch you fight with every single GCer...many of the times when they didn't even provoke you. Yes, people have written some things about you. You have every right to stick up for yourself on those occasions but, 9 times out of 10, it is you picking the fight. Believe me, it is not just the "mean girls" on GC who feel this way.
Stop bringing up the Scandia thing. It is done and over with.
Please stop dragging your letters, MY letters, through the mud.

honeychile 10-08-2006 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ariesrising (Post 1335540)
Even though people say contacting HQ can be the wrong thing - I contacted one b/c I didn't know their AI policy and I asked about it. They politely told me I had to know someone in the sorority and they didn't allow people to contact them to get introduced for AI and wished me well. They weren't offended I asked, I wasn't offended they told me I didn't qualify and it worked out just fine.
Thank you for clarifying this. I know that I was led to believe that contacting our Executive Office would be a very bad move on the part of a PNAI, but the person who told me that is a stickler for the rules and may have overstated the situation.

texas*princess 10-08-2006 08:28 PM
It must have been somewhat confusing because I would have expected a reply with more substance.. but alright.

cutie_cat_4ever 10-08-2006 08:33 PM
Eventhough I'm not a greek...but I still wanna say something =)
 
Instead of all these debating back an forth, why not let your own GLO HQ people decide on this matter? Your HQ will know EXACTLY what to say and what not to say and let them clarify and suggest whether this forum should exist. Because afterall, it's your GLO image (or point of view) and what better person to say rather than your HQ?

I'm sure they will be really concern the things that are going on this forum, and even if they didn't want to actively talk about it on these forums, they could at least email the mods and let them know their concerns. That's called damage control. Even many of you said that the info on the website implies what to say or what not, in a lot of cases, not many people will go actively to serach on their websites. That's why they turn to GC.

Umm....I guess that's my 2 cents there, please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks! :) hehe

Unregistered- 10-08-2006 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever (Post 1335628)
Instead of all these debating back an forth, why not let your own GLO HQ people decide on this matter? Your HQ will know EXACTLY what to say and what not to say and let them clarify and suggest whether this forum should exist. Because afterall, it's your GLO image (or point of view) and what better person to say rather than your HQ?

I'm sure they will be really concern the things that are going on this forum, and even if they didn't want to actively talk about it on these forums, they could at least email the mods and let them know their concerns. That's called damage control. Even many of you said that the info on the website implies what to say or what not, in a lot of cases, not many people will go actively to serach on their websites. That's why they turn to GC.

Umm....I guess that's my 2 cents there, please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks! :) hehe

Greekchat's been around for over 7 years already. I'm sure members of our Inter/national Councils/HQs are aware of this site and already patrol the boards.

With the exception of 2 very active GC posters who also serve their organization at the highest level (that I know of, there may be more), most HQ officers are reluctant to post. Having an official speaking on behalf of the Fraternity on GreekChat I assume would open up a can of worms. HQs don't have full control over content that's posted here on GC, or on our own individual chapter websites, for that matter.

I (along with other GCers) wasn't even allowed to mention GreekChat anywhere near any of the International Council at a Convention I went to. That's enough for me to know how much they don't like GreekChat. That said, I doubt they'll be doing what you're suggesting anytime soon.

Jen 10-08-2006 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1335639)
This thread needs to be closed. :)

I say blueangel needs to be done with it. Not for the sake of actually liking Tippie or appreciating her as a sister. Not so that anyone can appear to be the bigger person in their attempts to squash this. Just so that blueangel can stop being bothered with this silliness.
i'd rather have some posts edited out, because I an enjoying the various viewpoints and discussion in the actual thread.

cutie_cat_4ever 10-08-2006 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1335644)
Greekchat's been around for over 7 years already. I'm sure members of our Inter/national Councils/HQs are aware of this site and already patrol the boards.

With the exception of 2 very active GC posters who also serve their organization at the highest level (that I know of, there may be more), most HQ officers are reluctant to post. Having an official speaking on behalf of the Fraternity on GreekChat I assume would open up a can of worms. HQs don't have full control over content that's posted here on GC, or on our own individual chapter websites, for that matter.

I (along with other GCers) wasn't even allowed to mention GreekChat anywhere near any of the International Council at a Convention I went to. That's enough for me to know how much they don't like GreekChat. That said, I doubt they'll be doing what you're suggesting anytime soon.
Oh, I see. I guess one would assume that HQ would be really concern what goes on these forums and how it portrays their GLO. It's generally true for most orgs or societies for higher ups to make a stand point (without citing any sources) to control damage, like politicians.

But I guess I can see having HQ voicing their opinions here as a form as risk management risk, sort of like you never know if you accidentially leaked out ritual or not.

With that being said, I guess that pretty much says that the AI forum shouldn't even exist in the first place :confused: , i guess?

:)

Jen 10-08-2006 09:21 PM
Just imagine what would happen if a sorority suggested to its members that they should not post on a message forum such as Greekchat.

Just imagine.

cutie_cat_4ever 10-08-2006 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ariesrising (Post 1335659)
Just imagine what would happen if a sorority suggested to its members that they should not post on a message forum such as Greekchat.

Just imagine.
I guess it almost sounds like controling their freedom of speech? :confused: and also gives out a pretty poor image of that particular GLO.

I guess things are just inevitable, esp with internet. I actually belong to a honor society that has rituals. One of my friends isn't in, but he told me he was able to search our rituals online (and he told me what they are, but of course I denied it) but you can say I was shocked.

PenguinTrax 10-08-2006 09:33 PM
CUT IT OUT - NOW
 
Tippiechick, BlueAngel, KLPDaisy, Tom (and whoever else is involved):

I do not appreciate coming home from a holiday celebration and finding my in-box flooded with reports of childish nonsense from people who, for the most part, should a) know better and b) have been warned previously.

Keep the discussion on topic. I"ve said it MANY TIMES and I"m saying it ONE MORE TIME. This constant posting and bickering about things that have occured in the past is ending, now. If I have to I will moderate every single post to this thread and I can assure you that if I have to spend a minute longer than I already have dealing with this kind of CRAP, I will either have John ban you from this forum or shut down the thread altogether. Although we haven't conferred on it, yet, I'm pretty sure that Carnation would agree with me.

Unregistered- 10-08-2006 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever (Post 1335653)
Oh, I see. I guess one would assume that HQ would be really concern what goes on these forums and how it portrays their GLO. It's generally true for most orgs or societies for higher ups to make a stand point (without citing any sources) to control damage, like politicians.

But I guess I can see having HQ voicing their opinions here as a form as risk management risk, sort of like you never know if you accidentially leaked out ritual or not.

With that being said, I guess that pretty much says that the AI forum shouldn't even exist in the first place :confused: , i guess?

:)
I also see it this way -- official posting from IHQ might lead others to believe that GreekChat and the Fraternity are affiliated in some way, when that isn't the case.

Official content resides on the IHQ website because they have full control over those pages. It's easier to direct those interested in AI there rather than have them come in here, where they have no say in what goes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ariesrising (Post 1335659)
Just imagine what would happen if a sorority suggested to its members that they should not post on a message forum such as Greekchat.

Just imagine.
I'd hate to think a sorority would prohibit and limit their members from personal expression. :rolleyes:

Drolefille 10-08-2006 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1335503)
I think the problem is, the answer is different depending on the GLO. For some GLOs, contacting the GLO is the absolute WRONG thing to do. The mods can't be expected to know the AI policies for all the groups either and shouldn't speak for other groups.
I understand that. It is up to sorority members to provide the correct information (or to avoid providing it) as they wish. But asking on here only makes someone ignorant (And they probably used google) not a desperate sorority shopper. Heck, someone who comes on here as a sorority shopper might actually learn her lesson.



While I agree there is private information that should not be shared and that this should be edited out (or modded if reported) AI is not synonymous with membership selection. Part of the AI process is MS. But I do not believe the rest of it should be edited out of GC simply because it bugs some people.

(at the same time, the snark and sarcasm shouldn't be edited out either.. the less editing the better)

PNAIs are NOT tearing this sub-forum apart. Active members are. (And Earp is helping)

Drolefille 10-08-2006 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ariesrising (Post 1335533)
PNAMs should not have to ask - a simple "read this first" thread directing them to contact the sorority of their choice should be enough. Why get information on what a PNAM feels is very important from someone random on GC when you could go to the actual source, the sorority, and get the most accurate information possible?

They can email IHQ, ask if they have AI and if they qualify and if so, how do they begin the process and get all of the information they need through correct channels, NOT GC.
Note: I'm going to compare AI to Recruitment, I know this is not a direct comparison, etc.

In theory, this would be ok. Except that this is like saying that a PNM shouldn't ask questions on here, they should read a sticky and ask their Greek Life office. I don't think it's a bad thing for PNAMs to talk about their stories ahead of time. If anything, it lets you correct things before they progress to far.

UGAalum94 10-08-2006 09:57 PM
I bet I'm going to regret this.
 
Well, I think clear documents from GLOs pointing out what could and could not be talked about online, as far as group policy is concerned, would have gone a long way towards resolving disagreements here.

For instance, if AGD came out and published a policy that directed women not to ever post policies of the group online that would have shut me up. It's the absence of that document that makes it seem debatable.

Women from the group who seemed to be posting policy could be pointed towards the official document, and there would be no question whether she was permitted to post about it.

Drolefille 10-08-2006 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BaylorBean (Post 1335596)
I'm with you.....

Here are my feelings, I am not against AI and Sigma Kappa has gained many wonderful members through AI. But for there to be a forum here on GC there would have to be moderating above and beyond anything that anyone would have time to do. Too many women have come over the years who 1. seem to be doing it for the wrong reasons, 2. seem to be going about it the wrong way. Is there a right way? Well not really since each organization has a different way of doing things. This is why the PANM should know someone in the organization who can "guide" them and support them on this journy. AI is not something taken lightly and I think that is why so many have gotten up in arms about it lately. It is a very serious and special honor bestowed on someone who is felt to be deserving by MANY members, not just a handful, especially not by just ones on an internet chat board.
I agree with you but I would take what you said a step further. AI is about many women agreeing. GC has no real part in that process. That's why I don't see it as a negative to allow people to post here. Because it doesn't matter if NPCgirl1235456 likes PNAM5092, so why not post about it.

I think it's important for support and general information not to encourage AI. Even if the subforum were to be removed, discussions that pop up elsewhere should not be shut down, but should be [B]discussed.[B]

And perhaps that is the way to go. Remove this forum, but allow AI postings in Greek Life or wherever else. Thus GC is not seen to encourage anything. (Which I don't think it does at all.)


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