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cluelessUGAmom 08-18-2007 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jwright25 (Post 1504277)
I can definitely see where you are coming from on this one. I always thought that way as well. However, now that campuses are implementing the new RFM, we are achieving greater parity amongst the chapters - meaning more of them are pledging quota, and the ones who miss are much closer than they have been in the past. QAs are rarely more than a few, 1-4 per chapter in a large system. Exceptions are made based on chapter size - meaning chapters who started out in recruitment with numbers on the lower end might receive more QAs to bring them closer to the average size. And the RFM process funnels PNMs their way anyway. If the chapter is doing a good job recruiting, having meaningful conversations with their PNMs, and showing enthusiasm about the recruitment process, PNMs will find them desirable and want to join.

When you make the suggestion that PNMs who are placed as QAs to strong chapters would have otherwise considered COB with weak chapters, I think that would only encompass a few women. Just as some women want to suicide because they would never want to be part of another group, they would never accept a COB invitation. So then we have to decide what is more important - the smallest chapter COB'ing one or two more people who mismatched; or placing 10 mismatches as QAs in larger chapters and increasing the size of the Greek system and making 10 women happy and excited to be part of it.

I think that what you said is what I am trying to express. But if a girl suicides then she cannot be part of COB -- right??? But really maybe one of the chapters that will be offering COB may have cut her earlier and it could be a better fit for the pnm then #2 or #3 which is why she suicided....so why wouldnt' they allow her to COB? It would still have to be mutual acceptance?

AGDLynn 08-18-2007 10:48 AM
Because you don't have that scenario in every suicide situation.

Perhaps the majority of times, It's the thing of "I only want to be in XX" and to #$^^ with everyone else. She was given a chance to max her options; she didn't play by the rules so she got burned.

melongirl 08-18-2007 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jwright25 (Post 1504278)
I think this is a point worth emphasizing. I haven't read all of the stories from AU and UGA, so I don't know if there is a rash of GC PNMs who are getting their second or third choices. If so, they are definitely in the minority. By far.
Here's the UGA stats

Number Of Recruits Receiving :
Preference No.
No Pref 10
1 choice 822
2 choice 93
3 choice 15





And before you ask-- i don't know what "no pref" means. Maybe they dropped out going into pref round??

UGAalum94 08-18-2007 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by melongirl (Post 1504287)
Here's the UGA stats

Number Of Recruits Receiving :
Preference No.
No Pref 10
1 choice 822
2 choice 93
3 choice 15





And before you ask-- i don't know what "no pref" means. Maybe they dropped out going into pref round??
I think the no pref might be the number of girls who maximized but didn't get placed as QAs.

ETA: Or I guess it could reflect snaps to girls who didn't attend prefs, since it's the list of girls matching. They matched to no one they preffed.

UGAalum94 08-18-2007 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom (Post 1504282)
I think that what you said is what I am trying to express. But if a girl suicides then she cannot be part of COB -- right??? But really maybe one of the chapters that will be offering COB may have cut her earlier and it could be a better fit for the pnm then #2 or #3 which is why she suicided....so why wouldnt' they allow her to COB? It would still have to be mutual acceptance?
If she doesn't list them on the pref cards (ISP, suiciding, not maximizing), as I understand it, she can still COB.

She just can't be a quota addition at the time of bid matching.

UGAalum94 08-18-2007 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bejazd (Post 1504281)
But doesn't a large number of QA's also indicate that somewhere in the the statistical end of recruitment, there are several chapters (maybe most of them) that simply kept inviting too many women to their parties (even if it was only by say 4-5?) and when they ended up having a better recruitment than they expected, these women sort of piled up and became the "mismatched." ????
It might, but I don't think we're talking about very many PNMs compared with the total pool.

I wouldn't think you could get it too much lower than 4 or 5 girls "extra" when you are talking about over a hundred girls at each house even for prefs without creating an equally large group of pnms who were released from the process entirely. A cut here from one group leads to a cut there for different group because that pnm because available to a different group. At the bottom of that chain is a release.

cluelessUGAmom 08-18-2007 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum (Post 1504289)
If she doesn't list them on the pref cards (ISP, suiciding, not maximizing), as I understand it, she can still COB.

She just can't be a quota addition at the time of bid matching.
Ok. But why would someone who ISP not be able to be a QA? What if they were the "next" on the list?

Xylochick216 08-18-2007 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom (Post 1504298)
Ok. But why would someone who ISP not be able to be a QA? What if they were the "next" on the list?
Because she didn't maximize her options.

UGAalum94 08-18-2007 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom (Post 1504298)
Ok. But why would someone who ISP not be able to be a QA? What if they were the "next" on the list?
If she only lists one, she has to be on the regular bid matching list. Remember if the group really wanted her to be in their new member class, they could place her number one on their list. If she's on the second or third list, they want her, but she's extra if they get their first choices.

She CAN'T be a quota addition if she ISP because by the very definition of who gets them, she wouldn't have maximized her options. The big risk of ISPing is that you limit yourself to only getting one group through regular bid matching. It should only be used by girls who know they want that one choice or nothing.

Again, I understand that from your perpective, it seems like a system that matched everyone to her first choice is desirable, but that's not how the system works. NPC policies are designed to keep the groups relatively the same size.

If all a girl had to do was get to prefs, and then she was guaranteed a bid to her first choice even if she only listed them, it would be a big problem in terms of some groups tripling in size while others got few new members. It would throw the idea of quota out the window.

flower3 08-18-2007 12:07 PM
Anyone have any information on the actual number of girls who registered for Rush at UGA?

melongirl 08-18-2007 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flower3 (Post 1504315)
Anyone have any information on the actual number of girls who registered for Rush at UGA?
First day, before it began, was 1296

Mama Dawg 08-18-2007 01:56 PM
The Green Book
 
If it has not already been posted, here is the link to the Green Book that someone asked to see...

http://www.uga.edu/panhellenic/Libra...ter%202007.pdf

UGAalum94 08-18-2007 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mama Dawg (Post 1504353)
If it has not already been posted, here is the link to the Green Book that someone asked to see...

http://www.uga.edu/panhellenic/Libra...ter%202007.pdf
MamaDawg, you've got the Pointer linked, which is a really helpful reference, but I think they wanted the National Panhellenic Conference handbook that's called the green book.

jwright25 08-18-2007 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bejazd (Post 1504281)
But doesn't a large number of QA's also indicate that somewhere in the the statistical end of recruitment, there are several chapters (maybe most of them) that simply kept inviting too many women to their parties (even if it was only by say 4-5?) and when they ended up having a better recruitment than they expected, these women sort of piled up and became the "mismatched." ????
This is where the concept of Quota Range comes into play. Under the old matching methods, quota was set usually by the number of women attending the round before preference OR the number of women receiving preference invitations. And it rarely changed. Now that we use Quota Range, we can run quota at several different numbers and see which one achieves the greatest parity. Oftentimes that makes quota on the lower end of the range. That leaves more women unmatched. So they wind up as QAs. But the tradeoff is that more chapters make quota with women who get their first choice.

And you make a point about chapters doing better than expected. That always happens - and that's good! We want chapters to improve their operations. If the campus uses priority ranking rather than accept/regret, those situations can usually be addressed with flex lists.

The bottom line is that while there may still be quota additions, weaker chapters are pledging quota or very close.

jwright25 08-18-2007 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum (Post 1504289)
If she doesn't list them on the pref cards (ISP, suiciding, not maximizing), as I understand it, she can still COB.

She just can't be a quota addition at the time of bid matching.
That is correct. As I learned earlier in this thread, some campuses have additional rules about snap bidding (UGA doesn't allow dropouts to be snapped), but NPC doesn't make a distinction about that.

As long as a woman does not match to a chapter she lists on her pref card, she is eligible for COB. If she accepts a bid to a chapter via COB, she will sign a bid with the Greek office. That is the same as signing a pref card, and if she drops out prior to initiation, she must wait a year to join another sorority - same as if she matched during formal recruitment.


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