Originally Posted by texas*princess
(Post 1335395)
I think it has been mentioned before that RUSH and AI are two completely different things so to compare them is inaccurate.
I just wanted to make a clarification here that I never compared the two.
The main argument against having an AI forum is that anything that isn't on the GLO's website is ritual and shouldn't be discussed on GC.
I was merely stating a fact that details of how the bid-matching process works, I have never found, to be on any GLO's website, yet it is discussed in great detail on GC.
If you are saying "the rush forum has this, so AI should have this too" then you are pretty much implying that it's about the same thing, which it is not. Rush is the main form of recruiting new members. AI is not.
The bid-matching process is not found on any GLOs website... and why should it be? What a waste of bandwith if the pnm could ask a Rho Gamma. Heck, I don't even think I fully understand bid matching.
The bid matching process is not member selection information, it is telling everyone how the process works - i.e. if you put ABC first on your bid card and ABC puts you on their first list, there's a chance you'll have a match. That is not at all stating *what made ABC want to put the pnm on their first list*.
Again, Rush is the main form of recruitment. AI, however, is not.
Adpiucf made a wonderful point in some other thread that NPC sororities do not mainly recruit in the alumnae world. Recruitment is done at the collegiate level.
I just want to clarify that i never said that AI's mainly recruit from the alumnae world. In fact, I haven't seen anyone post that yet.
I never said you did... just going back to the fact that Rush is NPC's main form of recruitment. AI, however, is not.
AI is not the "wave of the future" when it comes to recruitment - it is an exceptional circumstance in which a woman is offered membership because the alumnae organization pursued her due to outstanding community contributions/contributions to the professional world/contributions to the sorority.
I never said it was the "wave of the future".
Once again, I never said you said that... just going back to the fact that Rush is the NPC's main form of recruitment and AI is a very exceptional circumstance.
It is one thing to tell a pnm where she can get recs, what is appropriate to wear, how NOT to behave, etc so that she can go into recruitment and find a mutual match in Sorority World. This information is not membership selection in any sorority. It's common sense. Don't go into Sorority Skit Night wearing a bikini and talking about how you slept with 65231265 guys in high school.
I think you just made my point here. When you are telling a PNM that would otherwise be the type of women to sleep with every Tom, Dick and Harry and openly discuss her sexual conquests with anyone that will listen, you are actually encouraging her to not be herself and to hide information or else she won't get a bid. So on 'bid day' you get an image of a sister, and not the one you really got.
Umm no I didn't make any of your points, thankyouverymuch. If a girl wants to go into recruitment and talk about that, more power to her! Maybe she will find a home in sorority world. For all we know there might be a chapter of XYZ who thinks she's still a great girl and gives her a bid. That's XYZ's business on why they do or don't bid her. (membership selection info!)
There are several AIs here that are hiding info about themselves (interesting hobbies, the fact that they are sorority shopping...) and you can bet your bottom dollar if some of that info was given to the groups being pursued they would drop those AIs like a bad habit.
The whole point of that part of my post is that AI is DIFFERENT than RUSH. RUSH is different than AI.
Information such as the info I posted before is the stuff you mentioned being in the RUSH forum.
Furthermore, membership criteria is spelled out for pnms on most of the sororities websites or Greek Life websites. You can't have a 1.0 and expect to get invites from all the houses. You need to understand the financial implications of joining a sorority. You need to understand that a sorority will also take up some of your time. You need to understand that by joining a sorority, you will likely have to do philanthropic work. Once again, no membership selection top secret stuff here and this information is readily available on credible websites.
I would probably have to say that if you joined a sorority as an AI, shouldn't you want to be a member that would have to participate? Otherwise, what would be the point? Obviously, you have to pay fees to join, a local alumnae chapter should never, ever AI someone who won't participate after initiation.
Ummm yea. Once again, I think you're missing the bigger picture because you dissected every sentence in my last post.
That was referring to RUSH. Not AI. That is info that pnms can find in the Rush forum, or by talking to the Rho Gammas, or by talking to the sororities themselves.
That info is part of the "requirements" of UNDERGRAD membership that is not membership selection information. (hence not top secret)
It is quite another thing to ask about the "requirements" of AI for sororities on an internet chat board, WHEN THAT INFORMATION IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE ON THE HQ'S WEBSITES. I think that is the bit some people are just not getting.
If it's not on THEIR websites, why the hell should it be here? And who's the say the information posted by anonymous internet users is valid anyway?
When you say "Who's to say the information posted by anonymous internet users is valid anyway"...this could easily go for anyone that posts to GC. We just assume, if someone says that they are a member of Alpha Delta Pi, that they are, actually a member of ADiPi. Whenever an individual sorority members gives advice on the board, he or she is really speaking of how they do things at their school and at their chapter.
Yes you are right... and you know what they say about assuming? When you ASSUME, you make an A$& out of U and ME. :D
That is why in GC and Internet Land, you DO NOT discuss ritual. Because we don't know for sure who is really at the other end of the computer.
What is the point of taking someone's advice just because they had Greek Letters in their signature? How do you know that person is really in the organization he/she says she is? Or that they are even in a sorority to begin with? That doesn't mean anything. Anyone can come on here and put letters in their signature. That doesnt make them a member.
Which is why a lot of people don't want "AI policies" posted on GC, because unless it is coming from a "REPUTABLE SOURCE" those policies may be wrong.
For example, I can put Sigma Kappa letters in my signature and come back to this board and say "Sigma Kappa doesn't do AI". That doesnt make me a Sigma Kappa, and I don't even know what their official policy is on AI to begin with.
And just to let you know, there have been several "perps" who come on GC and pretend to be members of XYZ and eventually they do get found out. And at the same time, there are several members of GC who actually know each other IRL so they know they really are who they say they are.
Another poster had an excellent comment if you limited your discussion on GC to what was easily found on the GLO's websites, that would have a severe impact of what you could discuss on GC.
I never said anything about limiting discussion to what was on GLO's websites. :) You will find many things being discussed that are never really clear because some chapters do it one way, and other chapters do it another.
They will say things like "my chapter does it this way" and someone else will say "my chapter does it this other way".
Until they get official word from their HQ on how that is supposed to be done, everyone will be just talking in circles and doing things they way that they have been.
Many HQ have official policies on AI. The official policies are not shared with the general public in any way, shape, or form. If they wanted this information to be shared with everyone, they would do so. If the information is not shared to the general public, it's not shared for a reason, so who's to say I should come up to GC and say "This is how my sorority does AI. Oh! And if anyone is interested, send me a pm!" I am not an authority in my sorority, and I will leave it up to them to decide how they want to handle AI and who they want to share that information with.
I don't see anything wrong with asking general questions about AI membership requirements. All organizations have them. I would assume one would have to have a college degree, do they take graduate students, is their an age limit, does the sorority that they want to AI have to be at their alma mater, etc. These types of questions are so silly and general I can't imagine a National would "freak out" over them being discussed on GC.
See above.
It is nobody's business what my or other sorority's policies are on AI except OUR OWN.
And while there are thousands of registered users on GC, only a very tiny percentage of them even post on here to begin with. Most of the "regulars" are actually posting in this very thread.
I think that this hits the nail on the head. If a "very tiny percentage" of posters that are members of a sorority post wanting to do away with the AI forum, how do we know that you speak for your national as a whole? We don't. I think if something was that important to a sorority, I could understand national not wanting to give credibility to GC, but you would think sorority members would be coming here by the hundreds.
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