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MysticCat 08-09-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2077827)
Vito wasn't talking about event t-shirts (for mixers, Greek week, what have you). He was talking about a screen printed t-shirt with nothing but Greek letters on it and why that would be OK for nonmembers to wear, but stitched letters are verboten.

I realize that. But I'd bet money that the stitched-letters criteria has its roots in the distinction I was making (many pages ago now).

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2077860)
It depends on the context.

It isn't about ill-manner but rather about different protocols and traditions across councils/conferences and GLOs.

Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

DrPhil 08-09-2011 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2077954)
Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

Then don't YOU do it.

Also, there is no universal standard for what is considered embarassing someone and ill-mannered. :)

knight_shadow 08-10-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2077954)
Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

Known perp continuing to wear letters even when s/he has been "quietly" warned not to wear them?

katydidKD 08-10-2011 12:06 AM

I know from my discussions with NPHC members that letters are taken much more seriously than in NPC/IFC chapters. So i can see how the reaction of a non-NPHC member wearing NPHC letters would reflect this. I was blown away that it is unacceptable to wear NPHC letters in any pattern (like polka dots) or any color that isn't theirs (with the exception of neutrals like white/black/gray.)

NPHC chapters (from what NPHC members told me, I could be wrong) follow rules that NPC's are supposed to follow but don't. Like having letters on your behind. No NPHC member would ever do this (again, what I was told) This is done a lot in NPC's, but someone from a greek apparel company told me that according to licensing, no NPC org technically permits that, however it is still popular and done. My chapter has a rule against this, and we follow it, but others don't.

knight_shadow 08-10-2011 12:08 AM

^^^ I obviously can't speak definitively on NPHC, but the same often holds true in LGLOs and MCGLOs.

That's part of the reason that I didn't see the difference between stitched vs screen printed, but I stand by my initial response: different strokes for different folks ;)

katydidKD 08-10-2011 12:10 AM

I see how that is the most silly/superficial thing ever and how that doesn't make sense to you, but I know why. Just like others have said, usually if something is screenprinted, it is for an event, where people who aren't members can attend and are given shirts. Block stitch letters denotes being a member by tradition. Screenprint does not.

katydidKD 08-10-2011 12:15 AM

Also, a relevant story, one of my sisters is a double legacy to another sorority and wore her mothers letters to hs (not knowing what that meant) and there was a pic of her on fb in them. She took that down immediately when she realized how terrible that looked/was super embarrassed. No one really saw it since it was a super old random pic amongst hundreds. Some people really just don't know if they aren't familiar with the system.

knight_shadow 08-10-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by katydidKD (Post 2077984)
I see how that is the most silly/superficial thing ever and how that doesn't make sense to you, but I know why. Just like others have said, usually if something is screenprinted, it is for an event, where people who aren't members can attend and are given shirts. Block stitch letters denotes being a member by tradition. Screenprint does not.

Didn't say it was silly -- just different.

katydidKD 08-10-2011 12:27 AM

True, but different rules for different fabrics of letters does sound silly if I say so myself, and a lot of others have commented along those lines.

MysticCat 08-10-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2077956)
Then don't YOU do it.

Also, there is no universal standard for what is considered embarassing someone and ill-mannered. :)

To be clear, I didn't say it is ill-mannered to embarrass someone. I said it is ill-mannered to intentionally embarrass someone. If one's intent is to let some non-member know that they shouldn't be wearing letters, then there's not necessarily any intentional embarrassment even if there is actual embarrassment.

But I'll defer to your wisdom and insight. This time. ;)

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2077979)
Known perp continuing to wear letters even when s/he has been "quietly" warned not to wear them?

Maybe. Maybe. (And I'll readily admit that I haven't been faced with this situation, nor do I think it is as common with my org as it may be with some others.)

But again, my comment was couched in terms of "getting back to the original topic of this thread," which started with this gem:
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Originally Posted by UNFSigmaChi (Post 191144)
I was shopping the other day for a mothers day present when i saw this guy wearing a UF Greek Week shirt. So i was like hey man what Fraternity are you in, im a Sigma Chi?" Hes like what makes you think im in a fraternity??? Im like ummmm welll maybe that greek week shirt. And he says haha oh ya well im on the UF soccer team and one of my teammates left it at my place and I just wear it for the greek letters. So im like oh so your trying to act cool then huh?! He got a little pissed and was like hey i play soccer for UF, i am cool. Im like well would you get pissed if you saw someone wearing a UF soccer shirt who didn't play soccer for UF. Hes like hell ya i would....and then i laughed and was like well why the hell are you wearing a Greek week shirt when YOUR NOT GREEK!!! He didn't say anything and his friends laughed at him. It was so great! Anyways thought i had to share.

There are ways to get your point across to an @$$ without being an @$$ youself.

DrPhil 08-10-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by katydidKD (Post 2077981)
No NPHC member would ever do this (again, what I was told)

Not true. That varies by organization and chapter.

The main point is that outsiders' opinions don't matter. It is great to discuss different perspectives but they truly mean nothing.

agzg 08-10-2011 10:51 AM

LOLWUT at this whole thread.

Also, I find the thread title to be embarrassing.

DrPhil 08-10-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2078060)
To be clear, I didn't say it is ill-mannered to embarrass someone. I said it is ill-mannered to intentionally embarrass someone. If one's intent is to let some non-member know that they shouldn't be wearing letters, then there's not necessarily any intentional embarrassment even if there is actual embarrassment.

Rationales vary.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2078060)
But I'll defer to your wisdom and insight. This time. ;)

Don't patronize me. LOL.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2078060)
There are ways to get your point across to an @$$ without being an @$$ youself.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. That's why rationales vary and it depends on the context.

MysticCat 08-10-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2078066)
Don't patronize me. LOL.

I wasn't patronizing you. :(

This time.

DrPhil 08-10-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2078068)
I wasn't patronizing you. :(

This time.

*stealing your coffee*

NOW WHAT?!


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