Nope...that's what Arizona is doing.

In other words, YOU PERSONALLY don't have an answer...thanks.

You know you are mad when you try to make someone go to wikipedia.... :)

no, that's what you're doing. don't let your bias cloud your judgement.

if you clicked the link, then you'd realize that that site cites the studies it gets it's numbers from. but strictly for the unmotivated and lazy:


http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...LL_PE_2005.pdf

windmilling shows how little you actually know.

So stop being unmovitivated and lazy and answer, where do YOU think they got the estimates from...anyone can click a website. I asked YOU to answer the question.

I can go to Pew, I can go to wikipedia, hell I can call my s/o (who works for DHS)on the phone and ask HER to pull stats....I didn't.

I asked YOU for your opinion.

If you are citing websites, at least tell me why you used them...or is that too hard?

oh yeah...BTW it's 'descent'.

and rather than trying to get someone to run around to all of these websites, you should have started right here:

Estimating the size of the unauthorized population living in the United States is challenging because of data limitations. There are no national surveys, administrative data, or other sources of information that directly provide accurate estimates of this population. As a consequence, the unauthorized immigrant population must be estimated by making certain assumptions and by combining data that measure events with those that measure populations.

Me:

Just an oddball question...if they are illegal and undocumented, how do we know then that they make up a high amount of the population?


What your document says:

We are just taking a guess buddy.

So, you don't know what their intent was, you're just assuming that it was nothing more than what was written down.

And that's yet another form of dehumanization.

this is your question

because pew hispanic center said so.

because the dhs said so.

that's all you can go off of. unless you have that magic page that didnt make it to the final bill. or someone told you differently.

No, it's not. You're confusing actions and words with intent.

You also haven't even begun to examine the effects.

MUCH better...that wasn't so hard now was it?

Now...why did you choose those particular websites to prove your point?

What makes them better than say...the Census bureau's website?

well, do you have any additional information as to their intent? or is all we can work with is the bill they wrote?

Do you have any information that disproves the intent that we presently see?

LOL. because i didn't feel like looking for it.

yea, i do. HB2162

do you have any proof that what you "see" if their intent?

How is HB2162 definative proof?

becuase it calls out illegal aliens and not white, black or hispanic.

and it's definitive