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UGAalum94 09-11-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1716282)
Being pragmatic seems to me to mean settling for more of the same. I'm tired of it.

Just here on GC - look how many intelligent, politically concerned GCers have stated they are voting for a candidate they do not feel would be the best president/senator/whatever. Imagine what kind of change could be wrought if everyone STOPPED being pragmatic, and instead became a little idealistic.

You may say that I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one.
I hope some day you'll join us.

Thank you, John Lennon. :)


I did feel frustrated by the number of people who were theoretically Fred fans who wouldn't vote for him in even the primary. The funniest part is that most of them voted for Romney instead.

AGDee 09-11-2008 09:32 PM

I do think it's unfortunate that we assume that the two current major parties are the only parties that will ever exist. The political parties have changed over the years and the only thing stopping them from changing again is the attitude that they can't change.

That said, if you're leaning toward voting for McCain but would really prefer the Libertarian candidate, then I think you should definitely vote for the Libertarian! If you're leaning toward voting for Obama but would really prefer the Libertarian candidate, then vote for Obama anyway ;)

KSigkid 09-12-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1716268)
I can tell you how it works out now - my candidate may not win, but I will not have contributed to continuing the status quo, which MARK MY WORDS is what you will get with either of the two main party candidates.

Let me know how the whole "voting for the lesser of two evils" or "voting for someone I don't really support but feel I should vote for" or "voting AGAINST a candidate more than voting for one" works out for you!

eta - that is an inclusive "you", directed not just to UGAalum but all those who have stated a variation of the above rationales for voting for Obama or McCain.

By voting for the lesser of all evils, I'm also voting for the person who I think would make the best President of the group (McCain). I thought that was pretty clear, but I guess not.

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1716270)
Interesting, from swtx's signature, I googled and found the Baldwin site -- for all those arguing that who is elected President could ultimately have no direct effect on the abortion issue, this from the Baldwin issues link:


Not saying this would happen (lots of politics would come into play), but it makes the point that it COULD happen.

It could happen, but there are a lot of things that could happen. I just don't think it's at all likely.

Stripping the Court's appellate jurisdiction on a single issue would be an enormous move, and (I think) one unprecedented in US History. The thing is, the Court's decisions on the abortion issue reach so many other issues (right to privacy, etc.), that you would have to strip the Court's appellate jurisdiction on those issues as well. Then, you're getting into a real seperation of the powers problem and a whole number of other legal issues. I that if this Baldwin is suggesting that the Court's appellate jurisdiction could be stripped on a single issue, he really doesn't get the point.

nittanyalum 09-12-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1716484)
I that if this Baldwin is suggesting that the Court's appellate jurisdiction could be stripped on a single issue, he really doesn't get the point.

Are you questioning his two Honorary Doctorate Degrees??!??!111!?!? :eek: :)

SWTXBelle 09-12-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1716484)
By voting for the lesser of all evils, I'm also voting for the person who I think would make the best President of the group (McCain). I thought that was pretty clear, but I guess not.

Well, if you can't fully support any one candidate, I guess voting for the lesser of ALL evils would be the way to go.

Come to that, and in keeping with the op, I've never had a candidate whose platform I was 100% in agreement with. Odds are I never will, unless I run. Hmmm . . . .well, I was named "Most Likely to Be First Woman President" by my junior high class, and I have a former student who is after me to convince McCain to select me instead of Palin . . . :cool: I do have ovaries, after all! But I can't even promise to bring him the GC vote, so I don't think that's an option after all.

KSigkid 09-12-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1716494)
Are you questioning his two Honorary Doctorate Degrees??!??!111!?!? :eek: :)

Haha, yes, I'm afraid I am. My simple mind can't wrap itself around his logic...

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1716501)
Well, if you can't fully support any one candidate, I guess voting for the lesser of ALL evils would be the way to go.

Come to that, and in keeping with the op, I've never had a candidate whose platform I was 100% in agreement with. Odds are I never will, unless I run. Hmmm . . . .well, I was named "Most Likely to Be First Woman President" by my junior high class, and I have a former student who is after me to convince McCain to select me instead of Palin . . . :cool: I do have ovaries, after all! But I can't even promise to bring him the GC vote, so I don't think that's an option after all.

That's the thing; I think that 99% of us, if we're being completely honest with ourselves, don't agree with EVERYTHING on a candidate's platform. Even if you're truly passionate about a candidate, you don't have to agree with everything he/she says.

MysticCat 09-12-2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1716260)
I am voting for the candidate I feel would make the best president.

Novel, I know. :rolleyes:

Serious question, if you're willing to answer (and I won't hold it against you if you'd rather not):

Why do you think Baldwin would make the best president of all the candidates?

SWTXBelle 09-12-2008 01:35 PM

I'll not go into all my thinking, partially because I am not yet 100% sure he is who I will vote for - right now, it looks like it. Technically, I guess I'm undecided, other than the fact it will NOT be McCain or Obama. I'm still reading and trying to figure out who really would be the best president.

My knee-jerk gut reaction to presidential politics is to immediately look at the Libertarian and Constitutional candidates. My political views are somewhere between the two parties. There is a certain contrarian aspect to my choice, too. I'm tired of voters voting in those who are long-term political players, and then being surprised that nothing really improves. Were McCain truly a maverick Republican, I could get behind him (perhaps). But I think a lot of the "maverick" is a result of branding, as opposed to true maverick behavior. (See what I did there with the word "branding"??)

So, there is a certain desire to just see someone other than Obama or McCain in a GC sig line - I was a passionate Ron Paul supporter (someone who really has been a maverick Republican!), and with him out of the race I've found it harder to get excited again.

As I said, I'm not sure it will be Baldwin in November for me.

My facebook says my political views are "cranky".

KSigkid 09-12-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1716592)
My knee-jerk gut reaction to presidential politics is to immediately look at the Libertarian and Constitutional candidates. My political views are somewhere between the two parties. There is a certain contrarian aspect to my choice, too. I'm tired of voters voting in those who are long-term political players, and then being surprised that nothing really improves. Were McCain truly a maverick Republican, I could get behind him (perhaps). But I think a lot of the "maverick" is a result of branding, as opposed to true maverick behavior. (See what I did there with the word "branding"??)

You're quite right in this - McCain was never as much of a maverick as he was made out to be. He has always been quite conservative in his beliefs and his platform.

I would definitely consider a third-party candidate if there was one who I could really get behind. But, I've only been truly passionate about one political candidate in my life (Romney), and there hasn't been a third party candidate in any election who I could really support over the others.

Actually, I think the only third-party candidate I've voted for is Lieberman in the last Senate race, and that's more because I think he's done a good job representing CT.

MysticCat 09-12-2008 02:35 PM

SWTXBelle, fair enough.

And I hope you're fairing well w/ Ike!

SWTXBelle 09-12-2008 04:13 PM

OT - Ike!
 
I just spent an hour and a half to get - one bag of ice.

I am after my father the super Elk to find out if we can raid the ice machine at the Lodge.

I promise my support to any candidate who will make this storm go away. I believe that some Obama supporters may well think he can do it. :)

DGTess 09-12-2008 06:51 PM

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"I will use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to demand that Congress enact Dr. Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act which would set forth that every unborn child is a 'person' under the Constitution, entitled to equal protection of the law and therefore, no unborn child could be killed without due process of law."
I wonder does he mean the one with 4 cosponsors (HR 1094), or the one with 5 (HR 2597), since he introduced the same act twice in one session and couldn't convince the other 429 to agree with him. How's his "pulpit" going to overcome that?

UGAalum94 09-12-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess (Post 1716746)


I wonder does he mean the one with 4 cosponsors (HR 1094), or the one with 5 (HR 2597), since he introduced the same act twice in one session and couldn't convince the other 429 to agree with him. How's his "pulpit" going to overcome that?

Right and being President isn't likely to change that, I don't think. But if you are super pro-life you can feel really good about voting for him.


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