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KSigkid 09-14-2008 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sugar and spice (Post 1717280)
An interesting point that this article makes is that in blue states, income tends not to be an accurate predictor of which way people vote -- but in red states, it is, and the rich tend to lean Republican. So if you grew up in the northeast, you might not notice much of a correlation, but your experience would be quite different in Texas or Georgia.

That's a fair enough point - I could cite as many stats as I want, but when it comes down to it my opinions are going to be influenced by my experience up here in New England.

KSig RC 09-14-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1715243)
Yeah, I don't necessarily think it is a Democrat/Republican thing. The Conservinator grew up very blue collar and I definitely did not. Both of us just find it refreshing to see a candidate "like us" who had to deal with being 40 and still paying for education because most recent politicians on either side of the aisle seem to have not had that issue.

Holy God. The dude went to Harvard Law - just because he's not retarded and realized that Federal student loans mature at a rate slower than inflation (thus, you make money via the time-value) doesn't mean that he's Joe Sixpack. This continues to blow my mind every time I hear it.

GeekyPenguin 09-14-2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1717437)
Holy God. The dude went to Harvard Law - just because he's not retarded and realized that Federal student loans mature at a rate slower than inflation (thus, you make money via the time-value) doesn't mean that he's Joe Sixpack. This continues to blow my mind every time I hear it.

Well, consider it blown. I'm glad I could do that service for you. He still had to take out loans which is more than I can say for most of the politicians lately. I'm sure that I'd vote for him over McCain even if he'd had his daddy pay for college.

CrackerBarrel 09-14-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1717510)
Well, consider it blown. I'm glad I could do that service for you. He still had to take out loans which is more than I can say for most of the politicians lately. I'm sure that I'd vote for him over McCain even if he'd had his daddy pay for college.

The average annual return on the S&P is 10%, Federal Stafford Loans have around a 6% interest rate. It's smart to pay for school with federal loans and not pay them off early if your other alternative is spending money you would otherwise be investing.

Munchkin03 09-14-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1717328)
That's a fair enough point - I could cite as many stats as I want, but when it comes down to it my opinions are going to be influenced by my experience up here in New England.

I read that article too, and in some of the "red" states, it's been my experience that race, and not income, informs political leaning. Think about Mississippi. It's one of the poorest states, yet it still delivered 60% of its votes to Bush in 2004. Roughly 65% of its population, however, is white; since we all know that African-Americans are the most reliable Democratic voters, it's safe to surmise that a good chunk of those who voted for Kerry are black. Are the wealthiest Mississippians (many of whom aren't wealthy by Coastal Californian/NYC/Boston/DC/Chicago standards) going GOP? Probably, but there are still a ton of poor people, most likely white, voting Republican there.

I'm probably just shooting from the hip here at this point, but race probably has a stronger correlation with income AND political stance in the "red" states than it does on either coast, which indicates why "poorer" whites are voting Republican there.

UGAalum94 09-14-2008 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1717538)
I read that article too, and in some of the "red" states, it's been my experience that race, and not income, informs political leaning. Think about Mississippi. It's one of the poorest states, yet it still delivered 60% of its votes to Bush in 2004. Roughly 65% of its population, however, is white; since we all know that African-Americans are the most reliable Democratic voters, it's safe to surmise that a good chunk of those who voted for Kerry are black. Are the wealthiest Mississippians (many of whom aren't wealthy by Coastal Californian/NYC/Boston/DC/Chicago standards) going GOP? Probably, but there are still a ton of poor people, most likely white, voting Republican there.

I'm probably just shooting from the hip here at this point, but race probably has a stronger correlation with income AND political stance in the "red" states than it does on either coast, which indicates why "poorer" whites are voting Republican there.

I thought the same thing but since I posted so much about race in Georgia in the other thread, I didn't want people to think I was obsessed.

One would have to be able to tease out other demographic factors to see how much income really matters. Party loyalty, I think is a self-perception and world view thing as much as an income thing, and other factors that contribute to self-perception and world view may matter a lot more than income at the time of a particular election.


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