So, when did Biden become a new born V P Candidate? How long has He been in Congress? Dah-30 years?:rolleyes:

He is pure as the driven Deleware snow?:D

He has been a Presidential candidate in past primaries. In '88, he might have given Dukakis more of a run for his money, but he had a serious illness.

As far as being in Congress 30 years - I don't see why it's such a big deal. Someone could be a first-term Congressman (or woman) and be dirty, and someone could be in Congress for years while being completely clean.

McCain has been in Congress 26 years! What's your point?

Finally! I've found a republican who admits he's not "thrilled" with McCain. For some reason, my friends just won't fess up! I remember when McCain was disliked by the republicans. He WAS such a maverick (at times), his conservative counterparts called him "liberal minded." John McCain WAS an independent thinking man I once admired. Hasn't anyone noticed how he has changed over the past eight years (minus the war, of course)? He's fed into all the hype...proving his "conservative beliefs" of pro-life, tax cuts and his disapproval of gay marriage. I guess I can't blame him. How could he have won over his party w/o doing so? If I have learned one thing from my conservative friends it would be that they vote "Republican, no matter what!" I don't know how many times I've heard this.

He could of fooled me! He voted with the dude 95% (or you can use Fox News, who reported 86%) of the time. :)

The thing is, McCain was NEVER all that liberal. Saying he was liberal is like saying Lieberman was conservative. If you look at McCain's voting record and his stances on issues, he's always been quite conservative on most issues. He got the reputation because of his stances on campaign financing, and a whole lot of spin.

So how is Biden who has been in the old line political scene any different than those who make a profession of politics?

Obama is talking about change and then digs up someone who is in the main stream of the typical old line up!

Funny how poitics make strange bed fellows.

Obama almost had to pick someone from the old guard, so to speak, to answer any of the experience questions.

Also, as to the change thing, I'm not sure that adding Biden really goes against that. One of my big issues is that he's been talking about "change" this whole time, when he's been a member of the Congressional majority. I know he's trying to feed off the anti-Bush sentiment, and it's working, but it's also not as if he's some political outsider coming in to shake things up.

"Spin" by the same party that now supports him?...you gotta love politics! Democrat or republican; Washington politicians must think we're stupid! Considering we believe in so much bull that they put in front us...maybe its true what my high school government teacher used to always say: "the masses are asses!" ;)

No - spin by his own people. If you talked to real Republicans who understood things, they would have told you McCain's stances on things. Just because the media painted him as a "maverick" doesn't mean a whole lot.

And, obviously, the tactic worked on some people - you just stated that you thought he was a "maverick," and "liberal-minded" on some issues.

I do think that there was "spin" that he was more moderate than he is during the 2000 election, by Bush's people, to keep him from being elected by the conservative right wing. The Republican party didn't want him to be the candidate in 2000 and that seemed clear at the time.

That's a good point - I also think he embraced it, to a certain extent, to differentiate himself from Bush. Essentially, I think the whole "maverick" thing really came down to his ideas on campaign financing.

Guess it did! McCain even refers to himself as a Maverick! He voted against the Bush tax cuts TWICE and pass the McCain-Feingold reform. I don't think republicans were happy about those things!

i have yet to find:

1. a black person who is against obama
2. big name celebrities who support mccain

Don't know where else to post this, but just got a text message from my 14 year old daughter, who is on vacation with her (very Republican) dad, saying "I really like Obama, can we go to the next democratic convention?" :) I love that kid!

A girl after my own heart -especially being a daughter of a "very Republican dad" myself!:D

Arnold Schwarzenegger? Heidi Montag? HAR.

I kept seeing people wearing leis at the DNC. How wonderful!

You must not be reading/watching the news... Your comments are quite naive.

1. On Larry King tonight, political commentator & radio host, Larry Elder is black and can't stand the man! Ooh, and there's plenty more African Americans anti-Obama on Fox News...Condolezza Rice, Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, etc.

2. Sylvester Stalone, Steven Baldwin, Jon Voight, Angie Harmon, Daddy Yankee, Kelsey Grammer, Gary Sinise, Craig Nelson, Dean Cain, Tom Selleck, Lorenzo Lamas, Heidi Montag (lol), John Cryer, just to name a few.

pwnd
Tom Selleck is the man
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I'd probably be just as excited if she was liking McCain instead. I love that she's into the political process and can cite reasons for why she would vote the way she would vote (above and beyond "I like him") She has her own thoughts and ideas of how things should be. I did point out to her that she'll be able to vote in the next presidential election and she texted back "I know! I'm so EXCITED!"

Ok, I really don't know where you're going with all of this. You talk about him voting with the President for a certain percentage of the time, to try to make the point that he is just like Bush. Then, you say this. That, and you put everything in exclamation points, as if you've proven me incorrect on something.

If you're against McCain, and you have your reasons, that's fine. But, your statements in this thread have been a tad misleading.

YOWZA:eek::eek:

Tom Selleck can be my magnum p.i. ANY time!!!!!!!!!:D

Ken Blackwell couldn't win the black vote in his home state. The problems isn't that he is a republican, he is a far-right republican. When he ran for governor, the results were nearly a joke. As far as I'm concerned, having Blackwell's endorsement is a "so what".

Obama's Top Celebrity Supporters
1. Oprah
2. Black Eyed Peas
3. The Kennedy Women
4. Ben Affleck
5. Clooney (I'll take that picture any day over Selleck)
6. Scarlett Johansson
7. Samuel L. Jackson
8. Chris Rock
9. Robert DeNiro
10.Jennifer Aniston

I would say that Susan Eisenhower giving up her Republican Party membership and supporting Obama at the Convention speaks VOLUMES. Does she count as a celebrity?

Obama... first black president
Palin... first female VP
Mccain... oldest president to begin office
Biden? He brings nothing to the table...

AND he's a SIGMA CHI!!!

Misleading? Let me make myself clear. I'm definitely an Obama supporter, however, I don't vote party lines! I was simply stating the facts...

Btw, look at the history of my posts! I always use exclamation points. Its a bad habit! I'm not trying to prove anything, just stating what I know to be facts.

I choose Clooney over Magnum
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Two votes for Clooney! ;)