I seriously LOL'd at AKAMonet's original post. I thought it was a funny way to articulate her main point.

While I agree to an extent, I did not join my organization because because it was it was that organization, I joined because I liked the people in it and how I interacted well with them. I would have joined this group no matter what greek letters it had, as far as the 'ideals' of each organization, that had no bearing in my joining this chapter, the ideals of the individual members are the only ones I worried about.

Don't get me wrong, I love my national fraternity (because of my chapter, perhaps?) I love the ritual that my organization has, but my loyalty remains, and will continue to remain with my chapter.

Sorry for not proofreading cutiepie. When I created this thread, I was more concerned about the idea that my chapter may be shut down by the end of the school year than as to whether or not I accidentally put an apostrophe into its.

I completely agree, and anyone who says "I joined my GLO because I compared its creed and principles to the other chapters on campus and picked the best, as opposed to because of the members in the chapter" is full of it.

I don't understand why so many people have a problem with chapter pride.

You are aware that there are some NIC fraternities founded as early as the late 1800s that never had a discriminatory clause, right?

And although I don't technically agree with AST[rest of username, sorry too lazy to check back], you do show a lot of negative bias towards NIC/NPC organizations in almost all your posts dealing with it.

Which I could care less about... but there is not denying you have a problem with, particularly, non-Whites joining NIC/NPC organizations.

Well put. I honestly didn't know shit about my fraternities 'ideals' until i started the pledgeing!

Would you apply this to organizations that historically banned women from joining? If so, then that's A LOT of universities! Or is it different when it comes to sexism?

Just wondering.

From this thread, it does look like an NPHC/NIC thing as far as where priorities lie and whichever way you lean has a lot to do with which type of organization you'll want to join.

Me too! I want lots of them! Red hair is beautiful!

I also think it's a maturity thing. I don't want to come off as talking down to younger GLO members or younger prospective members, but the insight one puts into a decision at 17/18 years old is different (in some cases) than that put into the same decision at 20/21.

I personally can't see myself promising lifetime membership to an organization and don't know what their ideals are. I also can't see joining an organization solely based on the people in the chapter because 1) people change 2) and because when you're interacting with people as a prospective member, chapter members are trying to make a good impression on you and you are not necessarily getting 100% of who those people really are.

I don't know if that is a reference to me, but I am 21 years old and still feel the same way I did when I was 18 about where loyalty should lie.

The ideals of organization are great and mean alot to me, but as I stated earlier, had nothing to do with my decision to join.

No it was not a reference to you specifically or else I would've quoted you. It was general addition to the discussion at hand.

I read somewhere that gingers are being bred out of the human race. I think the prediction was that after 2100 there won't be any more redheads born.

I agree with Ch2tf except that age doesn't always matter. Unfortunately, there are NPHCers who have been out of college for 16, 30, or 100 (:)) years who feel that their chapter is the be-all and end-all. These are often the same people who also haven't been financial or active in the organization since they graduated and their only activity tends to be with their undergraduate chapter and/or hanging with the members they went to college with.

From an NPHC standpoint, that's lame. I can't speak for the culture of nonNPHC organizations because there's also a different process there.

I have a great deal of chapter pride and love my chapter Sorors. However, if it had not been for my undergraduate chapter, I would've pursued Delta through an alumnae chapter. To say that the organizational affiliation doesn't matter and that it's only about the members of particular chapter is ridiculous from an NPHC standpoint.

There are universities where every NPHC chapter has really cool members that are easy to get along with. That's the common denominator. The differentiating factor is the national organization and the events that the chapters are campus representations of. If not for the national entity and what it stands for, many of us would've stopped after we joined the gospel choir or SGA because the same cool students and student leaders were found there. That's if we were following people around versus pursuing lifetime membership in an organization.

This is the difference I am talking about, if I had shown up to campus and felt I meshed better with another group of guys, I would have wanted to join that group.

agree to disagree?

No but you can not respond to me, since I wasn't responding to you. I'm typing about a topic. ;)

I'm not sure if that's the best way to put it, because you're not comparing apples to apples here. I'd recommend you "agree to understand" instead.

Yep. I think we all understand and are now just sharing.

If I selected and was initiated into a chapter/organization based on their ideals and then the national organization wanted to close the chapter because of these ideals, I think that I would want to re-examine my association with said chapter/organization. Perhaps the chapter/organization is not really what you thought it was or is changing in a direction to which you no longer agree. I personally would consider de-activation and look at other camups organizations to get involved in. Why waste your time with people and organizations that no longer represent who you are or who you want to be?

The more you know. :D

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

I agree with this basic logic that also applies to GLOs.

Only short-sighted moronic idiots moved to Canada when Dubya was re-elected. There allegedly were a few.

A person joins a GLO for their Ideals.

They also first join a chapter for the members!


So, which is the most important reason?;)

it's NOT the ideals that are faulty, it's the people running the show at HQ/on national council that are faulty.

I mean, (sorry to bring this up ladies) I doubt Z Phi B has anywhere in their ideals that it's a good idea to contest an election and put it out all over the internet.

And if it's a choice between putting up with some jackasses in office and keeping your charter, or surrendering it to "take a stand" and being homeless and chapterless, most college students will choose the latter.

That depends if you're talking before or after Tom Earp was an Active. ;)

Whether or not there are clauses in these organization is not the point I was making and missing it, totally.

I harbor no ill-will toward NIC/NPC as I speak to several members on a constant, consistent daily basis. That is YOUR perception, you are taking it too personally and CHOOSE to have that view of me, which is unfortunate because that is not who I am with what I do. And I can attempt to justify (LOL) my thoughts to you on this medium until I am "pink and green" (LOL ;) ) in the face, but that is a prejudice on your part and you need to take ownership of projecting your opinions upon me...

As far as non-Caucasians joining NIC/NPC organizations, um no, I don't have a problem with that. If that is there thing, more power to them. What I have a problem with is someone who joins these organizations and then wonders why there are no other [insert your favorite ethnic/sex/race/etc here] and the debasement of NPHC organization we all have discussed ad nauseum here. I personally think that discussion is stupid, silly, juvenile and asinine. Then, the minute my Sorority is included in the discussion, my personal opinion is the thread must be squashed. Because really, we as members of GLO's have way too many other issues to deal with than why does AKA's wear pink vs. green on some days and don't talk to Delta Gamma Sorority, Inc. :D ;).



I think that's an apples vs. oranges question and I cannot and frankly, don't care to comment beyond what do you do when said organization decide to go to a "tittie bar"? LOL... :rolleyes:

Then can you explain this post to me? Because from what I inferred it seems that your trash-talking NPC/NIC GLO's...

I don't understand the OP... Are there quotas to NIC/NPC for representation? like NIC/NPC has to have "affirmative action" programs--LOL. Rather than asking that question, I chose an inside joke that I guess DSTChaos got... :rolleyes: Meaning that that kind of question can be searched on GC and it sounds silly to me.

Why would a kid who is from {insert your favorite group here} have a problem joining any NIC/NPC chapter on his/her respective campus if the chapter shows a favorable vote?

If that is the case, then with the example of wanting only "redheads" in the chapter, well, I can bleach my hair and naturally, I will look like "Bozo the Clown", so do I still get to join? LOL.

I think anyone's membership should NOT be based solely on looks. Not everyone is a supermodel or athlete. However, charisma and diplomacy are attributes that can be honed and developed. If that is the kind of membership you want walking into the door and hit the ground running, then I think transparency and full disclosure are in place and a fair expectation.

I was a former Graduate Advisor for my Sorority's undergraduate chapter and I have taught several undergraduate courses. I know how to best relay information to PNM in a tactful way to get the best results...

That whole thing was brought up because you kept saying "why would someone want to join an organization that originally barred people like them?"

Maybe you're missing the point. ;)

That's fine. I don't have a prejudice toward you, but my opinion stands.

Ok, if you say so lol.

So your point is what, here? Let's wrap this up before I have to take my Vici..

I was simply responding to what you had written.

When you decide to post what I wrote to its entirety without taking clauses out of context as standalone run-on sentences, then we have a civilized discourse rather than a personal attack.

Outside of that, what else can be said? Like it was said before, "sharing"...

Do you need a "warm fuzzy", sweetheart?

Bless your heart.

No, I'm good.

And I don't need your condescending bitchassness either.

Goodnight. :)

My, that was very adult of you. Help me understand where that is coming from?

Just so you know, I had an outpatient surgery today and the major general anesthetics are wearing off right now and soon I will be back in pain. Given my current state, the comments made are quite inconsiderate of you on general humane principle.

Besides, what is up with jumping to conclusions? Care to clarify this insecurity? And please take it off line by PMing me anytime when you have a problem with what I said.

I am in a position to giving you excellent directions as to where to go and how to get there.

Lol.. It came from my general douchebagness, it's just the way I am. Not insecurity.

And how was I supposed to know of your current circumstances?

Hope you feel better though. Honestly.

Now let's let everyone discuss the original topic. Sorry for the hijack folks.

I am saddened :( when anyone starts to self-flagellation of themselves on GC.

And I am asking you and anyone to feel free to PM me when they don't understand my posts. Anyone is free to do that. And I have several GCers who have done so, which have clarified many things between us.