How is that hateful? Because I want him out of office? Because I don't want a martyr that all of the Religious Right will rally around? Because I'm tired of my country being the laughingstock of the world, because of the stupidity of the general populace? Because I want the US to play nicely within the world neighborhood? Because I'm tired of my friends and relatives dying in an unjust war, waged because of a lie?

Also, because you're supposedly a college educated person, yet, you don't seem to see the big picture?

Also, I'm not really that far left. I'm socially moderate, and I'm very fiscally conservative, I just really do not see his power grab as legitimate and I do not see any worth in his life. He's an addict, he's a liar, and he's a murderer.

Wow - I don't even know what to say to this. Pretty hateful stuff that you're spouting on this thread.

ETA: It's "hateful" because you implied you wanted someone to shoot him. Hoping that someone is shot is, a good majority of the time, "hateful."

I don't see the big picture? You mean I don't see the big-socialist-we-should-let-other-countries-dictate-our-actions picture?

Also, the stupidity of the general populace cuts both way sport. Notice that about 60% of the country hates Bush? So they were stupid, but I guess they're over it now huh?

Do tell, how should we "play nicely" with other countries?

ALMOST. I almost wish someone would shoot him. That isn't hateful, that is recognizing that the country would be better off without him and his policies.

Oh...I dunno...maybe wishing someone would assassinate the POTUS....

You can dislike a President and wish they were out of the office all you want. But your line of reasoning is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Extremism has the potential to breed terrorism. Speaking of wishes, I wish the FBI and CIA could keep an eye on you in case your logic impaired brain leads you to turn into one of those American-born terrorist sympathizers who join the Taliban.

This is ironic. Seriously.

But the world neighborhood doesn't want to play nice back. Should we just let everyone attack our country until there is nothing left. America has come out as the powerhouse, but those countries don't make us a laughing stock when we bail them out of whatever crap they go and get themselves.

no it isn't

not even close

And I ALMOST wish, big difference.

There is nothing dangerous with thinking, and it isn't that extreme. However, I was heavily recruited by the FBI for a job before I decided to go to grad school. They obviously don't think that disagreeing with the current administration is that "dangerous."

Actually it is ironic that you are so wrapped up in yourself that you think that anyone who disagrees obviously sympathizes with the Taliban. Talk about logic impaired.

And thus endeth today's lesson of how "political humor" isn't always humorous. It can have ill intentions and much deeper meanings.

yes it is

that's hateful


lesson for today:

hateful and terrorist mean two different things, which is why they are two different words

There's a big difference between disagreeing with the current administration, and "almost" wishing that someone would shoot the POTUS.

Not really because when you get beyond the extra words, the meaning is all the same.

But if you insist:

I ALMOST wish there was a delivery of brain cells where you reside. :p

haha...she was heavily recruited by the FBI before going to grad school.

Someone pass the champagne or something.

You're the one logically impaired. Go tell the FBI about those comments and see if they still want to employ you? Or better yet the secret service. Your only reasoning for someone not to kill the President is because that would make him a martyr, if that aspect was taken away, then yes you are most certainly saying that you would want someone to kill the President. Your comments are not well thought out and are indeed radical.

It isn't that rare, they like people with extensive language backgrounds, logic, math, political science or law.

Considering that my first bachelors was a double major in philosophy and math, it wasn't that odd.

Just because I disagree with you and the current administration, doesn't make me an idiot. I am not so wrapped up in myself that I don't believe that you could be smart. I do believe you to be short sighted, and this post proves that.

Oh, trust that I know. ;)

It's just funny that you volunteered that as if you said the same thing to the FBI that you said in this thread.

Do you really think this is why I think you're an idiot? :( Lord help.

Ok..how is this

George the First (or the Elder) POTUS 1989-93

George the Second (or the Lesser) - POTUS 2001-2009

I believe the FBI thing. The FBI and CIA often approach people within extremist circles, trying to persuade them to provide information to the country.

um....shouldn't it go Elder/Younger and Greater/Lesser?

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also, how do i quote multiple people? what i was trying to do got messed up by everyone telling k* how evil she is

Some days I find it pointless to debate some matters that I cannot change or if I wait long enough, (1-20-09) will change on its own....

I want to know how she graduated with a major in philosophy, she doesn't argue logically and is getting ripped a new a-hole.

How sheltered you are, if you think I'm an extremist.

I put lesser for a reason my friend... ;)

Glad you caught it...heheh

A dark day it may be, indeed.

There are different types of extremism.

One form involves disconnects in logic that cause people to leap from one conclusion to another. That's what you did.

Your process as presented in this thread is as follows:
a. I disagree with this administration and hate the POTUS
b. I'm an American but he's not my POTUS
c. I almost wish someone would kill him
d. but wait...that would make him a martyr...argh...back to the drawing board

I feel left out KStar hasn't tried to argue any of my posts.

Well, I dunno, you compared Bush to dictators who slaughter thousands and "almost wish" someone would kill him.

On second thought, you're right, these are heartland, middle-America sentiments.

How many US soliders have died in an unjust war? How many Afghanis or Iraqis? Bush HAS slaughtered thousands.

A) It is your opinion that this is an unjust war.

B) With regard to Afghanistan, you think that is an unjust war as well? Do you not see any difference between brutally slaughtering your own people, and collateral damage in war?

People who are quick to point out America's faults almost never recognize the fact that the United States spends billions on limiting collateral damage, while our opponents HOPE for such loss of life.

A little over 4,000.

How many people died in 9/11? How many civilians had to die before you'd be content with going to war?

How she feels about the wars doesn't change the fact that this is her POTUS, too. :)

You are correct, but she lost that battle so shes looking for something else. I see didn't try to argue with me, I wonder why?

Because it doesn't make sense to repeat yourself to every poster who tries to respond to you. :)

Almost 3,000 died because of the plane crashes. I wouldn't ever consent with going to war against a nation until that nation actually attacked the US. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan attacked the US.

And I've had you on ignore since you joined, that is why I haven't responded to anything but this.

I am just chuckling over that comment in the context of one of my sisters who got recruited for the FBI. She was a Russian major (and a beauty school grad) (and she looked like Janet Jackson in the Love Will Never Do video) so I guess at the time it made sense.

Billy - click the button to the right of the "quote" button for all the people you want to quote, then go down to the bottom of the thread and hit post reply. It took me a couple tries too.

I never knew we had quick reply on this.

"Celebrating" is a bit strong here. I find that Americans, as a mob, are isolationists who continue to fancy themselves a "super power" and who wish to spread their idealistic (yet flawed) way of life on others. We're babies in the world and we have allies who continue to deal with us (France comes to mind) despite the childish way we snub them because, underneath it all, America means well and really isn't so bad.

There's nowhere I'd rather be. But, I also reserve the right to laugh at myself and my country when I/we do silly things, regardless of where the joke/jab comes from. I don't find it unpatriotic or dangerous in any way.

I continue to pay my taxes, vote and do all the things an American is expected to do, because I appreciate my way of life (e.g. the fact that I haven't been beheaded for my comments in this thread).

You've mentioned twice now that it is inappropriate to find humor in jokes made at the expense of our country's leader(s). I'm still not clear as to why you feel that way.

I think this has essentially been made clear in this thread, but here goes:

I said that we need to be careful in "celebrating" (whatever that means for you is up to you) when other countries find humor and use images of our leaders as bafoons. When it boils down to it, taking jabs at our leaders isn't far from taking a jab at America. Calling our leaders idiots is calling a representation of America, on foreign soil, an idiot.

I have my own sense of humor (usually twisted) and my own opinions of America and America's leaders. I keep that separate from my position on other countries using images of America and our leadership for their own amusement. They can do what they want, of course, but I won't think it's humorous. Just like many people in other countries don't find humor in the things being said of their countries and leaders by Americans.

Sure, it is because I didn't say it is terrorist. When you "almost wish" harm on a leader, that has potential to go beyond being hateful if that rationale is placed in the wrong hands.

Perhaps you are thinking about the messenger and a narrower definition of terrorism whereas I'm thinking about the message and what such messages have the potential to invoke.

ETA: I wasn't completely serious about the Taliban reference. I was leaping to extremes and conclusions as I felt she was doing.

So how do you expect the United States to fend off terrorist attacks if we don't engage anyone in battle?

And I have said some things that people disagree with but I didn't think I've said anything to warrant anyone ignoring me.