Nate, I take issue with this..... Theta Nu Xi hasn't joined the National Multicultural Greek Council and both they and NMGC are doing fine. LPE might not feel your council is the best fit for them, and that's okay.

I was going to PM him this...I think coming on GC and trying to defend your org is one of the biggest mistakes younger orgs make. As hard as it may be, you have to read and ignore.

I agree.

Younger organizations would do well to understand when it's time to circle the wagons and when it's time to speak.

That said, anything anyone needs deleted regarding this (that is false), PM me.

I'm thinking about locking this thread, but I'm not there yet.

The problem with that is, some of them are ridiculous (the toilet paper) and it just makes everyone laugh at it...so even if you got caught "hazing", if it's something the general populace finds funny or not bad it's not going to hurt your numbers....it will more likely help them because it gives you PR.

I think Kevin's post was meant to be sarcastic (dripping with it, in fact).

And the danger of the statement above is that too quickly, these sentiments could turn into ridiculous things like boiling water being poured on pledges and disfiguring them for life.

Yes, that was sarcastic, but as far as the correlation between PhiGam's sort of hazing and the pouring of boiling water, I just don't see it. One most certainly does not lead to the other.

While both from a risk standpoint are bad things, of course, and both would for some result in serious bodily injury or possibly death, they just aren't related.

I was trying to relate the impression that the false bravado that I think is too prevalent among guys who start upping the ante on "how tough" their pledging is/was/should be can get out of hand. Saying that guys would wish their pledging was "as easy" as just drinking 'til they drop leaves the door too wide open to suggestions that more = brand of cool/real pledging. Add alcohol and older brothers egging each other on, and clearly, anything can happen. I mean, really, how else do things escalate to the level where idiots will put a pot of boiling water on a stove with the intent to shower pledges with it? Reacting to tales of pledging with a "psht, that ain't nothin'" doesn't move organizations forward and protect the young men coming in to the greek system from boys who get too caught up in their own braggadocio.

I'm not being dismissive of the rest of what you said, but that really is a great word.

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....but i think its pretty dumb for making the pledges to drink mixed ketchup and hot sauce. There are better ways to unify a pledge class.

To my knowledge, Northwestern Lambda Phi Epsilon will be hosting their National Convention later this month. I honestly hope this situation will not cause too much of a negative effect.

wow....we might have to agree to disagree on this one.

it may be funny but would you want to go through it and risk the university reporting you to the police for theft (they could if they wanted to)? (btw, that toilet paper wasn't done by a frat or sorority)

Selective private schools like Northwestern aren't most schools. For every kid who's admitted, 3 or 4 are turned away. If the accusations are true, get these fools off campus and give those seats in the college to kids who deserve them more. Bright young people are lining up to get into schools like Northwestern.
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its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

Hush your fool mouth.

If you spent time reading the message boards instead of spouting off right away, you'll see in this very forum that it's not just this fraternity getting trouble...mmkay?

Reading is fundamental.

And I think there's room for only one Chaos.

??? what ???

Being on a campus or a National has nothing to do with it.

If not condoned then what?

Sorry, I just cannot resist editing this --

This organization may be ........ more prone to being hated by others.
English 101 is still a requirement for college graduation. :)

English 101 should be required to graduate high school. I took English 101/102 in high school, and I very much think that I generally do better on writing assignments, which due to a new initiative by the University to raise the quality of writing in discipline, is mandatory in ever class. As far as some GCers though, you would be surprised they made it to college with their writing skills.

I agree, I took Eng Comp 1101-1102 in HS and it helped me immensely. High school english classes (at least in FL) are a joke.

dude is your name really hooters? seriously?




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Update September 24, 2008: Four-Year Suspension Upheld

Story from the Daily Northwestern's site:

http://media.www.dailynorthwestern.c...-3448862.shtml

Excerpts:
After losing all appeal attempts this summer, Lambda Phi Epsilon fraternity received a four-year suspension from Northwestern, said Jim Neumeister, director of judicial affairs. The sanction was the result of a hearing in front of University Hearing and Appeals System last spring.

The board found the historically Asian fraternity violated four university rules, Neumeister said: hazing, a rule prohibiting violence or threatening the safety of any person, restrictions on recruitment until Winter Quarter of a student's freshman year and failure to cooperate with the investigation and student conduct hearings.

Knowledge of the hazing practices became widespread after an April story in The Weekly. . . . They [former pledges] said members of the fraternity forced them to perform all-night calisthenics . . . and drink gallon jugs of thick liquid appearing to be a mixture of ketchup and Tabasco sauce.

The fraternity is prohibited from any on-campus or off-campus activities until at least the 2012-2013 school year. . . .

I just received this email today from AST National Staff about the newly-initiated Lambda Phi Epsilon who died at The University of Texas...


As part of our commitment to Hazing Prevention, we are proud to announce the creation of the Hazing Prevention portion of our website. This story, along with many others, will be profiled on the site.

We now invite you to meet Jack. We hope you learn what he was unable to - A pattern of heavy drinking in alcohol initiations can and will kill you.

Who is Jack?
Phanta Jack Phuommarath entered the University of Texas at Austin in 2005 as a pre-Computer Science major. Just like every college freshman, he created his Facebook profile, met new friends and decided like each one of us, to join a fraternity/sorority. Unfortunately, Jack's life was cut short on December 10, 2005 - eight hours after his fraternity's initiation.

What happened?
Jack was required, with the rest of his new member class, to drink alcohol provided to them by the active members at initiation. Jack became incapacitated as the result of the consumng alcohol and left alone, unattended. Jack died that night.

It was found that the drinking was only a portion of what Jack and his fellow new members had to endure. Jack had shaved his head as part of the initiation and also reportedly had markings that apparently were drawn on him at the fraternity after he passed out at the party.

His Legacy
Jack's family have taken proceeds from the settlement of their cases and have created an endowment in honor of their son to promote alcohol awareness and to educate other students about the dangers of hazing and binge drinking. The family also developed a professionally produced video regarding the dangers of hazing and binge drinking. His family hopes their efforts will make a difference and prevent others from losing a child in such a senseless tragedy.

Watch the Videos
The message is clear. Jack Phoummarath was an incredible young man, who unfortunately, trusted men he was supposed to call his "brothers", and it cost him his life.

The Pledge http://www.stophazing.org/nuwer/july08column.htm (see bottom of webpage)
Jack's Website http://www.inmemoryofjack.com/
StopHazing.org