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shinerbock 03-21-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1621618)
you are going to hell.


Oh...wait...you are a Republican. That's a local trip for you...

Save me a seat.

DaemonSeid 03-21-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621643)
Save me a seat.

Why?

I'm driving..dropping you and bringing back your friends!!

shinerbock 03-21-2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1621649)
Why?

I'm driving..dropping you and bringing back your friends!!

My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

DaemonSeid 03-21-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621664)
My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

nope....wrong dude....you got me mixed up with one of your rabble.

PeppyGPhiB 03-21-2008 05:32 PM

DaemonSeid and shinerbock Go to Hell...on Earth
 
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621664)
My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1621666)
nope....wrong dude....you got me mixed up with one of your rabble.

http://www.southparkfiles.com/art/SP1011.gif

"Satan is throwing the biggest Halloween costume party ever in an all-new 'South Park' entitled, 'Hell on Earth 2006.' Satan is busy checking the RSVP list and deciding what costume to wear to the big event. Every detail must be perfect for the prince of darkness. But even Satan can't foresee everything. A prominent religious organization, an ex-lover and the antics of the most notorious serial killers of all time threaten Satan's fun."

One of my favorite South Park episodes ever. For some reason the above back-and-forth reminded me of it. =)

DaemonSeid 03-21-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1621694)
http://www.southparkfiles.com/art/SP1011.gif

"Satan is throwing the biggest Halloween costume party ever in an all-new 'South Park' entitled, 'Hell on Earth 2006.' Satan is busy checking the RSVP list and deciding what costume to wear to the big event. Every detail must be perfect for the prince of darkness. But even Satan can't foresee everything. A prominent religious organization, an ex-lover and the antics of the most notorious serial killers of all time threaten Satan's fun."

One of my favorite South Park episodes ever. For some reason the above back-and-forth reminded me of it. =)

peppy...get outta my head!!!

shinerbock 03-21-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1621694)
http://www.southparkfiles.com/art/SP1011.gif

"Satan is throwing the biggest Halloween costume party ever in an all-new 'South Park' entitled, 'Hell on Earth 2006.' Satan is busy checking the RSVP list and deciding what costume to wear to the big event. Every detail must be perfect for the prince of darkness. But even Satan can't foresee everything. A prominent religious organization, an ex-lover and the antics of the most notorious serial killers of all time threaten Satan's fun."

One of my favorite South Park episodes ever. For some reason the above back-and-forth reminded me of it. =)

Isn't this the Steve Irwin "too soon" episode?

macallan25 03-21-2008 06:03 PM

yep

nittanyalum 03-21-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621577)
Your response had to do with Bush, who will not be running again in 2008.

I was making a sarcastic comment tinged with irony that was clearly lost on you.
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Bush won in 2000. It is time to let it go. I'd much prefer the election to be decided by SCOTUS than the notably biased FL Supreme Court. There is even significant evidence that Bush would have won had the recount not been stopped.
I didn't say anything about the electoral college in my other post, but in my defense, I didn't know you were missing your sarcastic bone back then, so I'll just avoid it from now on.
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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621613)
Be realistic. I'm a Republican. We don't pout. Leave the pouting and protesting to you guys. I'll be busy killing polluting and exploiting the poor out of anger.

Don't forget to fit shooting guns, protesting in front of Planned Parenthood clinics, chasing illegals across the border, cutting taxes for the wealthy and ruining our relationships with foreign powers into your schedule, too...

BTW, I've always noticed HUGE differences in people who first and foremost say "I'm a Republican" versus "I'm a conservative." Pay attention, you'll see what I'm talking about. Well, you may not, you know, the semantics thing, but others probably will.

macallan25 03-21-2008 10:50 PM

I've always said "I'm a conservative". I know what you are talking about.

Shooting guns, chasing illegals over the border, and cutting taxes for the wealthy sounds like a great time to me though.

shinerbock 03-22-2008 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1621826)
I was making a sarcastic comment tinged with irony that was clearly lost on you.

I didn't say anything about the electoral college in my other post, but in my defense, I didn't know you were missing your sarcastic bone back then, so I'll just avoid it from now on.

Don't forget to fit shooting guns, protesting in front of Planned Parenthood clinics, chasing illegals across the border, cutting taxes for the wealthy and ruining our relationships with foreign powers into your schedule, too...

BTW, I've always noticed HUGE differences in people who first and foremost say "I'm a Republican" versus "I'm a conservative." Pay attention, you'll see what I'm talking about. Well, you may not, you know, the semantics thing, but others probably will.

It wasn't lost on me. You weren't able or willing to argue the point about Obama, so you brought up Bush as a fallback. Attempted sarcasm or not, it simply wasn't relevant.

Thanks for the additions, shooting guns is certainly a good one. For your side I'll tack on crying, indie films, berating religion, cowering to terrorists, eco-terrorism and resenting the military.

I say I'm a conservative, and I'm a Republican. I could care less what other people say. I don't believe in everything every Republican proposes, but I've got no problem labeling myself for convenience.

nittanyalum 03-22-2008 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621854)
It wasn't lost on me. You weren't able or willing to argue the point about Obama, so you brought up Bush as a fallback. Attempted sarcasm or not, it simply wasn't relevant.

What "point about Obama?" The conversation I came in on was about McCain. I never referenced Obama in this conversation until this post. And if you've read any of my posts on any other threads, I've consistently said that I'm not on the Obama train (although now that Richardson's endorsed him and I'm guessing might be his VP, I might feel better about him). I thought we were talking about much broader things -- I made the comment that DC (as a whole, I didn't say just 1600 PA Ave) needs a shake-up, you switched into commando-grab-the-guns-and-the-kids-momma-and-let's-head-fer-the-hills-the-reds-are-comin' mode and listed off the litany of evils that will most certainly come out of a switch to the non-GOP party. You also never mentioned Obama in that particular exchange. So my sarcasm was a response to that little back-and-forth we were having, I thought in a macro-kind of sense.
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For your side I'll tack on crying
guilty, "Rudy" gets me every time
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indie films
like "Passion of the Christ"? No, I don't like those. I like comedies and Die Hard-type movies
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berating religion
my deeply Catholic family would kill me
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cowering to terrorists
have family members serving front-line as we speak, so shut up
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eco-terrorism
I did just have 3 trees cut out of my front yard, so I bet the foliage around here does see me as quite the threat
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and resenting the military.
see my answer before last and again, shut up

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I don't believe in everything every Republican proposes, but I've got no problem labeling myself for convenience.
I somehow doubt this. I was raised nestled deep in the feathers of the right wing and I've known many a true-blue party-machine guy in my day, you e-strike me as being of the same ilk. If that's an incorrect perception, I apologize, but I do have some preconceived notions about guys that bluster like you from my experience that I will unfortunately probably never get rid of at this point. But either way, it's not that serious here and I'll stop trying to have enjoyably sarcastic conversation with you from here on out.

shinerbock 03-22-2008 01:29 AM

You seem a bit sensitive for someone so dead-set upon an exchange of enjoyable sarcasm. If you want to label my side as cruel or incompetent, I'll certainly label yours as weak and misguided. My reference to liberal stereotypes has nothing to do with your family members honorably serving our country, so please don't attempt to infer that it does.

You attempt to paint my original response as extreme, though you refute none of the original assertions. It has nothing to do with whether the next President is GOP, though given the dichotomy, that is certainly what I'd prefer. I did enjoy your commando/fear-mongering retort, which seems to be getting quite a bit of play from the left during this election cycle (though it notably doesn't apply if a liberal is talking about the Bush administration, global warming, or privacy).

Not to be rude, but I'm simply not concerned with what you believe about my party loyalties. I highly suspect your experiences with people of my "ilk," though perhaps based in reality, are significantly skewed by your own biases. However, if you equate being partisan to being unwilling to compromise on issues I believe are fundamental, then yes, I am partisan. That said, those views may or may not mirror those of the GOP.

nittanyalum 03-22-2008 01:37 AM

Fair enough.

So back to the OP, well at least tangentially, a question somewhat about McCain: who do you think / who do you want to see as McCain's running mate?

moe.ron 03-22-2008 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1621884)
Fair enough.

So back to the OP, well at least tangentially, a question somewhat about McCain: who do you think / who do you want to see as McCain's running mate?

Some one who can actually wake up at 3 AM

[hiding under the desk]

nittanyalum 03-22-2008 01:49 AM

LOL.

shinerbock 03-22-2008 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1621884)
Fair enough.

So back to the OP, well at least tangentially, a question somewhat about McCain: who do you think / who do you want to see as McCain's running mate?

Not sure if you were asking me, but I'd like to see Romney for personal motivation reasons. I am simply not at all fond of McCain as a politician, and Romney on the ticket would bring a little more excitement to the cycle for me. I think Romney is even more favored now than he was while in the hunt, and I think his "goodbye" speech made a lot of his GOP opponents feel pretty stupid. I love elections, and I'd really like to be at least partially advocating FOR something, and not just against Barack/Hillary.

After that, there aren't too many suggestions that thrill me.

I like Lieberman as a human, but we've already got one compromiser heading up the GOP side.

Charlie Crist is interesting, but I don't know enough about him, and the base doesn't trust him.

Mark Sanford is a guy I like, but his place as a future star seems to be in question now.

Mike Huckabee would be a horrid pick, IMO. He simply brings no skills to the table (not that the VP needs them), and although it would calm some of the base, it'd scare the moderates. I also found his final days as a candidate to be incredibly petty (notably: taking a shot at Romney AFTER Romney had dropped out).

Rick Perry- Not necessarily ideal, but I'd be comfortable with it. He was mentioned by insiders w/ the Giuliani campaign, so I'm sure it has crossed the McCain camp's mind.

Another guy on nearly every GOP candidate's list was Haley Barbour, and I'm sure McCain has given it some thought. I'd be fine with it, though
I'd prefer someone with a future.

Perhaps the latest developing sleeper is Bobby Jindal, and I like that idea a lot. I met Gov. Jindal for the first time a month or two ago in DC, and it certainly crossed my mind then.

PhiGam 03-22-2008 03:05 AM

Charlie Crist is the man... that is all

macallan25 03-22-2008 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621897)
Rick Perry- Not necessarily ideal, but I'd be comfortable with it. He was mentioned by insiders w/ the Giuliani campaign, so I'm sure it has crossed the McCain camp's mind.

Being from Texas, I really dislike this guy. Hell, I voted for Kinky Friedman in our last election, haha.

nittanyalum 03-22-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1621897)
Not sure if you were asking me, but I'd like to see Romney for personal motivation reasons. I am simply not at all fond of McCain as a politician, and Romney on the ticket would bring a little more excitement to the cycle for me. I think Romney is even more favored now than he was while in the hunt, and I think his "goodbye" speech made a lot of his GOP opponents feel pretty stupid. I love elections, and I'd really like to be at least partially advocating FOR something, and not just against Barack/Hillary.

After that, there aren't too many suggestions that thrill me.

I like Lieberman as a human, but we've already got one compromiser heading up the GOP side.

Charlie Crist is interesting, but I don't know enough about him, and the base doesn't trust him.

Mark Sanford is a guy I like, but his place as a future star seems to be in question now.

Mike Huckabee would be a horrid pick, IMO. He simply brings no skills to the table (not that the VP needs them), and although it would calm some of the base, it'd scare the moderates. I also found his final days as a candidate to be incredibly petty (notably: taking a shot at Romney AFTER Romney had dropped out).

Rick Perry- Not necessarily ideal, but I'd be comfortable with it. He was mentioned by insiders w/ the Giuliani campaign, so I'm sure it has crossed the McCain camp's mind.

Another guy on nearly every GOP candidate's list was Haley Barbour, and I'm sure McCain has given it some thought. I'd be fine with it, though
I'd prefer someone with a future.

Perhaps the latest developing sleeper is Bobby Jindal, and I like that idea a lot. I met Gov. Jindal for the first time a month or two ago in DC, and it certainly crossed my mind then.

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1621905)
Charlie Crist is the man... that is all

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1622035)
Being from Texas, I really dislike this guy. Hell, I voted for Kinky Friedman in our last election, haha.

What about Tim Pawlenty from MN? He'd bring youth, a stake in the flyover states, he's always been stalwart in his support of McCain...

shinerbock 03-23-2008 11:41 AM

Pawlenty would be fine, I'm a fairly strong supporter of his. I would prefer someone a little further outside of McCain's circle, but I wouldn't be upset if he's the guy.

Munchkin03 03-23-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1621905)
Charlie Crist is the man... that is all

I would actually really like it if Charlie Crist is McCain's running mate. In fact, I would vote for a McCain-Crist ticket over a Clinton-??? one. The only downside of that is that he wouldn't be Florida's governor anymore.

Bobby Jindal is another possibility that I'm open to as well.

shinerbock 03-23-2008 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1622311)
I would actually really like it if Charlie Crist is McCain's running mate. In fact, I would vote for a McCain-Crist ticket over a Clinton-??? one. The only downside of that is that he wouldn't be Florida's governor anymore.

Bobby Jindal is another possibility that I'm open to as well.

Don't take this as an accusation, but why would Jindal on the ticket be something you'd support? From the McCain/Crist v Hillary scenario it sounds like you'd prefer someone a bit moderate, and Jindal is one of the most conservative potential running mates mentioned.

bowsandtoes 03-23-2008 02:55 PM

I really don't see the appeal of Obama aside from the fact that he can give a good stump speech. Most of his platform is just adapted from other candidates, his immigration policy for example just McCain's proposal with his name on it, even though McCain was the one who took all the heat for it when it was on the floor, mostly from his own party. He also doesn't have the voting record to back up anything that he's talked about doing. Call me naive but I think there's a big difference between saying you're going to change something (like earmarks or pork barrel) and actually consistently voting against it for years.

As for other types of experience, I can't see how its even a contest. While McCain was a prisoner of war in Vietnam Obama was doing lines of coke and smoking weed in Hawaii. Again, call me old-fashioned but I would call things like that a reflection of character.

moe.ron 03-24-2008 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bowsandtoes (Post 1622335)
While McCain was a prisoner of war in Vietnam Obama was doing lines of coke and smoking weed in Hawaii. Again, call me old-fashioned but I would call things like that a reflection of character.

I thought Obama was doing those thing while he was in grade school in Jakarta?

Wasn't he a Muslim and attended a militant Islamic madrassah while in Jakarta?

nittanyalum 03-24-2008 01:44 AM

^^^LOL.

jon1856 03-24-2008 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bowsandtoes (Post 1622335)
As for other types of experience, I can't see how its even a contest. While McCain was a prisoner of war in Vietnam Obama was doing lines of coke and smoking weed in Hawaii. Again, call me old-fashioned but I would call things like that a reflection of character.

IMVHO a better comparison would be what McCain was doing vs Bush.;)

bowsandtoes 03-24-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1622794)
IMVHO a better comparison would be what McCain was doing vs Bush.;)

That comparison works just as well, I was too young to vote in 2000 but my family all went McCain and then refused to vote in the general election. We've been riding this bandwagon for quite awhile and its great to see him finally get a shot. Hopefully he'll make the most of it.

Munchkin03 03-24-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1622316)
Don't take this as an accusation, but why would Jindal on the ticket be something you'd support? From the McCain/Crist v Hillary scenario it sounds like you'd prefer someone a bit moderate, and Jindal is one of the most conservative potential running mates mentioned.

I would prefer someone a bit moderate, which is why I like Charlie Crist. But, if Jindal was McCain's running mate, then I think that would actually help McCain with his base, since so many GOP folks feel McCain is too liberal (and I don't like his views on illegal immigration). Plus, Jindal has managed to get Louisiana a budget surplus, which I didn't think could happen in my lifetime.

jon1856 03-27-2008 11:00 AM

A McCain Moment: Do You Want Four More Years
 
A McCain Moment: Do You Want Four More Years
of This?
Arianna Huffington http://www.caglepost.com/lib/img/ico/rss.gif 3/26/2008
If our polarized country can agree on one thing, it’s that the greatest danger facing America over the next decade will not be Islamic extremism and instability in the Middle East, but rather Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. That’s just “common knowledge,” right?

So it only makes sense that the media have focused nonstop on this looming threat while paying scant attention to the fact that the presumptive Republican nominee for president apparently doesn’t have a clue about what’s going on in the Middle East.

And with the U.S. death toll hitting 4,000 (with 25 American soldiers killed over the last two weeks, the deadliest fortnight for our troops since September 2007), and with another 57 people killed in Iraq on Sunday, John McCain’s tenuous grasp on what is happening in the region becomes all the more worthy of attention.
http://www.caglepost.com/column/Aria...s+of+This.html

DaemonSeid 03-27-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1624892)
A McCain Moment: Do You Want Four More Years
of This?
Arianna Huffington http://www.caglepost.com/lib/img/ico/rss.gif 3/26/2008
If our polarized country can agree on one thing, it’s that the greatest danger facing America over the next decade will not be Islamic extremism and instability in the Middle East, but rather Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. That’s just “common knowledge,” right?

So it only makes sense that the media have focused nonstop on this looming threat while paying scant attention to the fact that the presumptive Republican nominee for president apparently doesn’t have a clue about what’s going on in the Middle East.

And with the U.S. death toll hitting 4,000 (with 25 American soldiers killed over the last two weeks, the deadliest fortnight for our troops since September 2007), and with another 57 people killed in Iraq on Sunday, John McCain’s tenuous grasp on what is happening in the region becomes all the more worthy of attention.
http://www.caglepost.com/column/Aria...s+of+This.html

Thumbs up to that column....

nittanyalum 03-27-2008 11:27 AM

Co-sign, here's the best line from it:
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We already know what it’s like to have a president who just assumes that whichever way he wants things to be is “common knowledge.”


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