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NinjaPoodle 03-06-2008 04:02 PM

CEASE AND DESIST
 
March 5, 2008
Via Electronic Mail and Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested
averymatthews@yahoo.com
sales@divine9forobama.com
shipping@divine9forobama.com
questions@divine9forobama.com

Avery Matthews
M Square Designs, Inc.
4924 Stone Gate Trail
McKinney, Texas 75075
Re: National Pan-Hellenic Council

Dear Mr. Matthews:

This firm has been retained to represent the National Pan-Hellenic Council ("NPHC") with respect to their intellectual property. It has come to our attention that your company is using trademarks owned by the individual NPHC organizations to promote your web site and certain political campaigns without their permission. Your actions are unlawful.

As you are aware the NPHC is a collaboration of the nine national, historically black Greek lettered fraternities and sororities, namely, Alpha Phi Alpha, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Kappa Alpha Psi, Sigma Gamma Rho, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Iota Phi Theta and Zeta Phi Beta. These organizations are often collectively referred to, as you have done on your web site, as the "Divine Nine."

The individual NPHC organizations own families of federal and common law trademarks that include their names, colors and Greek letter representations. The use of the NPHC's trademarks by your company is without the NPHC's permission and is illegal. Therefore, you are instructed to immediately CEASE AND DESIST your illegal use of the NPHC's trademarks. The continued unauthorized use of the NPHC's trademarks violates numerous state and federal statutes. For example, the unauthorized use violates 15 U.S.C. § 1114(a) for trademark infringement; 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a) for false designation of origin and false representation; and 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a) for trademark dilution; common law trademark infringement; common law unfair competition; and unjust enrichment.

Your violations will entitle the NPHC to recover your company's profits, damages sustained by the NPHC, and costs of any litigation. In addition your behavior will be considered willful entitling the NPHC to recover enhanced damages up to three times the amount awarded by a judge or jury.
Avery Matthews March 5, 2008 Page 2

Finally, the NPHC will also have the right to seek and enforce a temporary restraining order as well as a temporary and permanent injunction against your unlawful use of its trademarks. Any legal action that may result from your acts will be expensive and unnecessary. However, the NPHC is fully prepared to pursue its civil remedies. If formal action is to be avoided, the NPHC insists that you immediately cease all uses of its trademarks. To comply with this demand, you must on or before noon C.S.T, Friday, March 7, 2008, among other things, take the following steps immediately: remove the NPHC's trademarks from your web site and all promotional materials; disable your web site located <http://divine9forobama.com/> and discontinue the use of "divine9forobama". The NPHC is prepared to file a lawsuit against anyone who uses its trademarks without permission, this includes your organization.

Finally, it is important that you not destroy copies of anything you have that displays or uses NPHC's intellectual property. Destroying any infringing item at this point will neither remedy your past illegal conduct, nor conclude our investigation. The destruction or spoliation of evidence may result in additional legal sanctions and may also prejudice our ability to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of this matter. You should also instruct everyone within your company to discontinue any destruction of the items mentioned in this paragraph.

My clients are fully prepared to pursue their civil remedies in this matter. A resolution short of litigation may be possible but, if formal action is to be avoided, we insist that you cease your infringing conduct immediately.
Please contact me immediately to confirm your compliance with the demands in this letter. This letter shall not waive, affect, or impair any rights, remedies or defenses of the NPHC, including without limitation, the right to seek ex parte injunctive relief from the appropriate court.
I look forward to your prompt response.

Sincerely,
Michael D. Pegues
MDP:jdf
Dallas 1329424_1 7852.1

5Knowledge1913 03-07-2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaPoodle (Post 1613715)
March 5, 2008
Via Electronic Mail and Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested
averymatthews@yahoo.com
sales@divine9forobama.com
shipping@divine9forobama.com
questions@divine9forobama.com

Avery Matthews
M Square Designs, Inc.
4924 Stone Gate Trail
McKinney, Texas 75075
Re: National Pan-Hellenic Council

Dear Mr. Matthews:

This firm has been retained to represent the National Pan-Hellenic Council ("NPHC") with respect to their intellectual property. It has come to our attention that your company is using trademarks owned by the individual NPHC organizations to promote your web site and certain political campaigns without their permission. Your actions are unlawful.

As you are aware the NPHC is a collaboration of the nine national, historically black Greek lettered fraternities and sororities, namely, Alpha Phi Alpha, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma, Kappa Alpha Psi, Sigma Gamma Rho, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Iota Phi Theta and Zeta Phi Beta. These organizations are often collectively referred to, as you have done on your web site, as the "Divine Nine."

The individual NPHC organizations own families of federal and common law trademarks that include their names, colors and Greek letter representations. The use of the NPHC's trademarks by your company is without the NPHC's permission and is illegal. Therefore, you are instructed to immediately CEASE AND DESIST your illegal use of the NPHC's trademarks. The continued unauthorized use of the NPHC's trademarks violates numerous state and federal statutes. For example, the unauthorized use violates 15 U.S.C. § 1114(a) for trademark infringement; 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a) for false designation of origin and false representation; and 15 U.S.C. § 1125(a) for trademark dilution; common law trademark infringement; common law unfair competition; and unjust enrichment.

Your violations will entitle the NPHC to recover your company's profits, damages sustained by the NPHC, and costs of any litigation. In addition your behavior will be considered willful entitling the NPHC to recover enhanced damages up to three times the amount awarded by a judge or jury.
Avery Matthews March 5, 2008 Page 2

Finally, the NPHC will also have the right to seek and enforce a temporary restraining order as well as a temporary and permanent injunction against your unlawful use of its trademarks. Any legal action that may result from your acts will be expensive and unnecessary. However, the NPHC is fully prepared to pursue its civil remedies. If formal action is to be avoided, the NPHC insists that you immediately cease all uses of its trademarks. To comply with this demand, you must on or before noon C.S.T, Friday, March 7, 2008, among other things, take the following steps immediately: remove the NPHC's trademarks from your web site and all promotional materials; disable your web site located <http://divine9forobama.com/> and discontinue the use of "divine9forobama". The NPHC is prepared to file a lawsuit against anyone who uses its trademarks without permission, this includes your organization.

Finally, it is important that you not destroy copies of anything you have that displays or uses NPHC's intellectual property. Destroying any infringing item at this point will neither remedy your past illegal conduct, nor conclude our investigation. The destruction or spoliation of evidence may result in additional legal sanctions and may also prejudice our ability to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of this matter. You should also instruct everyone within your company to discontinue any destruction of the items mentioned in this paragraph.

My clients are fully prepared to pursue their civil remedies in this matter. A resolution short of litigation may be possible but, if formal action is to be avoided, we insist that you cease your infringing conduct immediately.
Please contact me immediately to confirm your compliance with the demands in this letter. This letter shall not waive, affect, or impair any rights, remedies or defenses of the NPHC, including without limitation, the right to seek ex parte injunctive relief from the appropriate court.
I look forward to your prompt response.

Sincerely,
Michael D. Pegues
MDP:jdf
Dallas 1329424_1 7852.1

Thanks for putting this in the thread. I was going to try to attach it, but didn't know how.

As of 9:46 a.m. EST, the site is still up.

5Knowledge1913 03-07-2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ljkelly (Post 1613615)
Individual members can't be left to their own devices? Hmm, okay...while I said I understand the point being made about companies making money off the orgs and that it could be a "slippery slope" but that is something that is already done with vendors all over who are not getting clearance from nationals. I see thongs with letters on them and I know that no one's nationals said that was okay...I made the decision to buy the shirt because I think it is for a good cause and it, in my opinion, did not represent the org in a negative light.

Sistergreek, I do not think that any one is trying to attack you.

The problem with that shirt, as cute as it may be, is that if someone were to see you wearing it, with AKA symbols on it, it could imply that AKA was supporting a candidate which would be electioneering and could cause your organization to lose its tax exemption.

Yes, I've seen thongs and other crap with our letters on it, however, those things may not cause the organization to lose its tax exempt status. They are tacky yes, but the IRS doesn't care about a thong with AKA on it, but it does care about a tshirt stating that AKA supports Obama, Clinton, Nader or any one else.

Whether the entire organization supports the person or not is irrelevant, all it takes is one person wearing that shirt to cause a stir (as it has!).

jojapeach 03-07-2008 11:51 AM

^^^ Your tone is more civil than some. :(

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

DSTCHAOS 03-07-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614161)
^^^ Your tone is more civil than some. :(

Matter of perception.

And the point is still the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614161)
The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

I wonder if some of the proceeds really go to the Obama campaign. People get money all the time by pretending proceeds are forwarded to a larger cause.

ComradesTrue 03-07-2008 12:04 PM

Please pardon the crash.

Even though he changed the name of the website, the shirts are still the same. (??) Therefore, it still appears that these shirts could threaten your tax-exempt status, no?

As someone who has worked for a non-profit before, let me tell ya... you really have to watch how people use your name, because their misuse can cause your organization serious trouble.

DSTCHAOS 03-07-2008 12:05 PM

Good point. I don't know if he is changing the shirts, too.

I really hope the cease and desist from the NPHC isn't halted because of the change in the website.

ComradesTrue 03-07-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1614184)
Good point. I don't know if he is changing the shirts, too.

I really hope the cease and desist from the NPHC isn't halted because of the change in the website.

Well, so far he hasn't changed the shirts! They are the exact same ones from the other site.

I don't know if the various nicknames (pretty ladies, nupes, etc) on the shirts are copyrighted by each organization, but there is one that says "S G Rho for Obama." That one for sure has got to go.

5Knowledge1913 03-07-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614161)
^^^ Your tone is more civil than some. :(

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

Looks like a lawsuit may be in the making, because the shirts are the same, which was the whole point of the letter from NPHC. This person is simply determined to make a buck.

ladygreek 03-07-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5Knowledge1913 (Post 1614282)
Looks like a lawsuit may be in the making, because the shirts are the same, which was the whole point of the letter from NPHC. This person is simply determined to make a buck.

I have a feeling that each org will have to go after the vendor to protect its own IRS status.

ladygreek 03-07-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ljkelly (Post 1613615)
Individual members can't be left to their own devices? Hmm, okay...while I said I understand the point being made about companies making money off the orgs and that it could be a "slippery slope" but that is something that is already done with vendors all over who are not getting clearance from nationals. I see thongs with letters on them and I know that no one's nationals said that was okay...I made the decision to buy the shirt because I think it is for a good cause and it, in my opinion, did not represent the org in a negative light.

Basic NPHC 101. We are 501 (c)(7)s and as such cannot endorse a candidate. Thus the issue is not how cute they are, or where proceeds will be sent. The issue is our tax-exempt status with the IRS.

And if our own members don't understand this, why would a vendor care?

ladygreek 03-07-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614161)
^^^ Your tone is more civil than some. :(

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

Why wouldn't he be? He is not a member of a BGLO and therefore probably does not know the rules that govern us. To him, it is another vehicle of support and campaign funds.

DSTCHAOS 03-07-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1614294)
And if our own members don't understand this, why would a vendor care?

She said she understands this but just didn't care. :p Stop being mean, right?

Little32 03-07-2008 04:33 PM

I wasn't aware that the tax-exempt status extended that far either. I knew that our organization could not unilaterally support any political candidate, but on first glance, I would not think that a simple shirt could be such a threat (though now, reading this thread, I can see how the shirt might be perceived as an organizational endorsement.)

Another thing, while I understand the theoretical threat, I do wonder about the realistic possibility of the IRS pursuing such a course. I guess it is better to be safe than sorry.

I thought it was cute too. :o Course, those colors together generally are. :D

ladygreek 03-07-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1614397)
Another thing, while I understand the theoretical threat, I do wonder about the realistic possibility of the IRS pursuing such a course. I guess it is better to be safe than sorry.

Trust it is a realistic possibility. A few years ago DST raised funds (a pass the offering basket kind of thing) at our national convention luncheon for one of our own--Alexis Herman. She was ordered to return the funds and we were warned.

The IRS is no joke, and in the last few years there has been a major crack down on nonprofits in general. Why? Because the government wants the taxes it is missing from tax-exempt organization.

But I also don't see what is so complicated about the ruling that we cannot endorse a candidate. Wearing a generic Barack (or anyone else for that matter) indicates that the individual endorses that candidate. Add your orgs symbols indicate that you as a member of XYZ endorse that candidate. That is a big difference, especially since we have all been taught from day one that when we wear our symbols in public we are representing our orgs. Thus the protocol rules on when and where they should be worn.

Prime example: if I go to a bar wearing a DST shirt and get sloppy drunk, folx won't be saying LG got drunk, they will be saying LG the Delta got drunk.

Lastly, there is also the whole issue of buying merchandise from a vendor that has not been sanctioned (licensed) by our org.

Little32 03-07-2008 05:40 PM

I understand all of that, though I did not know about the increasing strictness and crack downs with regard to those policies.

I guess what I am saying is that in viewing the T-shirts, that is not the first thought that would come to my mind.

I guess the lesson is here is eternal vigilance.

jojapeach 03-07-2008 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1614299)
Why wouldn't he be? He is not a member of a BGLO and therefore probably does not know the rules that govern us. To him, it is another vehicle of support and campaign funds.

Good point, and there's nothing mean about the way you state your view matter-of- factly.

Being a small devil's advocate, the only thing I would think of is that he might not want to do something that could alienate millions of potential voters that are in BGLOs. If one or all nine orgs hypothetically lost that tax-exempt status over this website, he could lose a great source of other campaign funds: individuals in the BGLOS and those individuals' associates who could spread the word in a grassroots effort - similar to his own.

It's only a hypothetical situation, but something tells me that Obama's camp is not aware of all the details of this website - if the Obama campaign approves of the affliation.

DSTCHAOS 03-07-2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1614424)
Prime example: if I go to a bar wearing a DST shirt and get sloppy drunk, folx won't be saying LG got drunk, they will be saying LG the Delta got drunk.

Lastly, there is also the whole issue of buying merchandise from a vendor that has not been sanctioned (licensed) by our org.

Or just "some Delta got drunk."

It took me a minute to grasp the concept of licensed vendors, perhaps because I did not buy 'nalia that often and didn't know all that went into being a GLO vendor. Of course I found that the licensed vendors had better quality things.

DSTCHAOS 03-07-2008 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614445)
Good point, and there's nothing mean about the way you state your view matter-of- factly.

Ha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1614445)
Being a small devil's advocate, the only thing I would think of is that he might not want to do something that could alienate millions of potential voters that are in BGLOs. If one or all nine orgs hypothetically lost that tax-exempt status over this website, he could lose a great source of other campaign funds: individuals in the BGLOS and those individuals' associates who could spread the word in a grassroots effort - similar to his own.

It's only a hypothetical situation, but something tells me that Obama's camp is not aware of all the details of this website - if the Obama campaign approves of the affliation.

I don't think these candidates have much of a hand in every fundraising venture--or ventures that claim to be fundraising ventures. I also don't trust that Obama's campaign would necessarily know that these shirts conflict with our tax exempt status. So I see there being two issues: one is between Obama's campaign and the owner of the site and the second is between the NPHC and the owner of the site.

DST4A00 03-07-2008 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1612864)
Awww...and I was just about to ask why the NPC was left out of this effort?! :(

it's just too dang many of ya'll, it ain't but 9 o' us

thatgirl 03-10-2008 07:08 PM

Shirts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1614452)
Ha.



I don't think these candidates have much of a hand in every fundraising venture--or ventures that claim to be fundraising ventures. I also don't trust that Obama's campaign would necessarily know that these shirts conflict with our tax exempt status. So I see there being two issues: one is between Obama's campaign and the owner of the site and the second is between the NPHC and the owner of the site.

I'm positive that the campaign doesn't support any of these things. There are probably hundreds of vendors out here with 'barackawear', etc. t-shirts for sale. Some of them claim that they will donate a portion of the proceeds to the campaign, but those will be individual donations. Official campaign merchandise is only available on the candidate's website. The total purchase price of those items is considered a donation to the campaign and is recorded as such. All of these leeches are just trying to make some money from the popularity of the election. I hate that. And those D9 shirts didn't even look that great. I bought a red and white one (says nothing about delta, though), from barackobama.com. If you want to support the candidates, I say cut out the middle man and we can kill the drama about jeopardizing our non-profit status.

DSTCHAOS 03-10-2008 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatgirl (Post 1615926)
I'm positive that the campaign doesn't support any of these things. There are probably hundreds of vendors out here with 'barackawear', etc. t-shirts for sale. Some of them claim that they will donate a portion of the proceeds to the campaign, but those will be individual donations. Official campaign merchandise is only available on the candidate's website. The total purchase price of those items is considered a donation to the campaign and is recorded as such. All of these leeches are just trying to make some money from the popularity of the election. I hate that. And those D9 shirts didn't even look that great. I bought a red and white one (says nothing about delta, though), from barackobama.com. If you want to support the candidates, I say cut out the middle man and we can kill the drama about jeopardizing our non-profit status.

Thanks for the insight, Soror. :) And of course welcome to the Sisterhood.

I am going to check out Obama's site to see the red and white shirt. I might become an Obama supporter soon. We'll see. :D

thatgirl 03-11-2008 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1615935)
Thanks for the insight, Soror. :) And of course welcome to the Sisterhood.

I am going to check out Obama's site to see the red and white shirt. I might become an Obama supporter soon. We'll see. :D

Thanks! This election really is interesting. It's kind of messy, but all of the candidates would no doubt do a better job than our current guy. Happy shopping!

Alias_01 03-14-2008 10:29 PM

I liked the design of the shirt so I purchased it. As a Omega Man, I endorse Barack Obama so I saw the shirt fitting

However, given the fact that these types of actions can potentially threaten our national organizations I would probably think twice in the future.

There are so many vendors who are not liscensed with our national bodies...as a consumer its hard to regulate even when we are provided with lists of those authorized vendors. I guess your best bet is to do all your nalia shopping during national/ regional meetings.

5Knowledge1913 03-15-2008 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alias_01 (Post 1618257)
I liked the design of the shirt so I purchased it. As a Omega Man, I endorse Barack Obama so I saw the shirt fitting

However, given the fact that these types of actions can potentially threaten our national organizations I would probably think twice in the future.

There are so many vendors who are not liscensed with our national bodies...as a consumer its hard to regulate even when we are provided with lists of those authorized vendors. I guess your best bet is to do all your nalia shopping during national/ regional meetings.

The thing is you learned from this experience! That is key!

jitterbug13 09-29-2008 05:00 PM

TTT

I know shirts like this:

http://www.zazzle.com/delta_sigma_th...80415594403900

would violate our tax-exempt status.

This shirt is a little different:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Obama-This-Delta...ayphotohosting

since it shows the opinion of one member, instead of the entire organization. Would you consider the shirt since it addresses your personal views? I wouldn't buy it, but I wanted to get the opinion of others.

ladygreek 09-29-2008 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1724816)
TTT

I know shirts like this:

http://www.zazzle.com/delta_sigma_th...80415594403900

would violate our tax-exempt status.

This shirt is a little different:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Obama-This-Delta...ayphotohosting

since it shows the opinion of one member, instead of the entire organization. Would you consider the shirt since it addresses your personal views? I wouldn't buy it, but I wanted to get the opinion of others.

No. If you want to share your indiviudal view then do so, but not in the name of the sorority.

I guess my bigger question is why the need to mix the two in the first place?

jitterbug13 09-29-2008 08:14 PM

The answer:$$$$$$$$$$

And LG, did you see the disclaimer of the Ebay shirt that says this is not affiliated with NPHC or the campaign?

And there are also shirts available for AKA and Zeta (sorry SGRhos). :p

ladygreek 09-29-2008 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1724904)
The answer:$$$$$$$$$$

And LG, did you see the disclaimer of the Ebay shirt that says this is not affiliated with NPHC or the campaign?

And there are also shirts available for AKA and Zeta (sorry SGRhos). :p

I know why they are being made. I question why sorors feel the need to buy them. Personally my affiliation with Delta stands on its own and I don't need to mix it with another affiliation.

Senusret I 09-29-2008 08:19 PM

You know how consent is not a valid defense against a hazing accusation?

Consent of the person wearing the shirt doesn't make it less of a violation of the tax code.

A member of an organization has the right to represent themselves as a member of the organization but also has the responsibility to not legally compromise that representation. They do not have the right to give consent to compromise that representation.

It puts us on a slippery slope when it comes to the tax code. 501c7s and 501c3s have to be very, very careful. It's just better to not mix the two.

(Or if you want to make a statement, make one that doesn't include trademarked symbols.)

5Knowledge1913 09-29-2008 11:20 PM

I see your point, though, I doubt someone who wanted to question the item would note the "This..." especially since it is followed by the huge red greek letters. The point is the Delta-Sigma-Theta and Obama. Personally, I would not buy any of it!

In response to another post, I too do not see the need to equate my fraternal affiliation with my candidate preference, just like I wouldn't equate my fraternal affiliation with my neighborhood or church or favorite restaurant, etc. To everything there is a season...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitterbug13 (Post 1724816)
TTT

I know shirts like this:

http://www.zazzle.com/delta_sigma_th...80415594403900

would violate our tax-exempt status.

This shirt is a little different:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Obama-This-Delta...ayphotohosting

since it shows the opinion of one member, instead of the entire organization. Would you consider the shirt since it addresses your personal views? I wouldn't buy it, but I wanted to get the opinion of others.


zari71 12-29-2008 12:01 PM

DONT BUY FROM COLISEUM APPAREL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EnlightenedEve (Post 1613388)
If you guys are still looking for T shirts to support Obama, you can also support James Thompson from the Alpha Chapter of Omega Psi Phi. His company Coliseum Apparel is selling Barack the Vote T-shirts. The website is http://www.ColiseumApparel.com

You can also contact him for orders at:
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http://howard.facebook.com/string_im...e=0&highlight=
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I ordered a shirt from Coliseum Apparel Oct. 31, 2008. I hat YET to receive a shirt. I spoke with a gentleman on three occasions who promised I would receive my shirt. Then he promised it would be there in 10 business days. In the final call, he told me he would "check into the matter on Monday". The only reason he answered the call was that he "was expecting a call from Atlanta that day." I payed using paypal and opened a claim with them. They made a decision in my favor, but were "unable to recover funds form coliseumapparel's account". I am terribly disappointed by the way my purchase was handled.

I wouldn't advise anyone to make purchases from them-EVER!

Phrozen1ne 12-29-2008 01:52 PM

I had a similar experience with that coliseum apparel. I waited a about a month and half for my Barack the vote shirt. I emailed, filed a claim, and he finally got back to me saying that the shirt is in high demand and he is waiting on a shipment to come in. My response: NOT MY PROBLEM. I paid for a shirt that should have only taken 2wks to get to my house. He didn't have to wait on my payment! Eventually I got my shirt, but I wouldn't advise anyone to buy a product from him.


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