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Senusret I 04-18-2008 10:05 AM
Not to nitpick, but I don't think it's a true secession if the chapter closed due to the school closing.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lee pi chi (Post 1635792)
Symbols on a page are only half of a text's potential meaning. With this being said, I obviously feel a more intimate connection with our version of the Purpose than the original penned by Horton simply because of the fact that I, nor many of my own chapter have ever been Boy Scouts, let alone Eagle Scouts.

Furthermore, I feel that the term "manly strength" is offensive in that it, in some ways, supposes (or at least connotes) that there is a "feminine weakness." But that's just (if I can speak for my chapter) our chapter's opinion.

I also feel that "encourage" is too weak of a word, provide is much more suitable.

If you're asking me how do I account for my chapter's position in the context that, at one time, Alpha Phi Omega was a national fraternity exclusively for Eagle Scouts, then Boy Scouts...etc, my argument would be based around the concept of state's rights.

I believe that as long as a chapter maintains a set minimum of requirements, such as hours of community service required, cardinal principles, etc..., that most any delineation from that standard should be acceptable insofar as the said modifications pass by each chapter's respective university. I feel that these changes should be respected, but not enforced nationally. Each chapter was given birth under the organization of a particular set of standards and bylaws which ultimately play a VERY large role in the type of neophytes were inducted: our character is so distinct on campus that when people we don't even know see us on campus they KNOW we are brothers of A-Phi-O. There are many other organizations on campus that have similar experiences to that of Alpha Phi Omega: co-ed organizations with service requirements that offer leadership that do not insist on a very (very) high set of standards for admission. The only difference is no national dues are required and they do not have the privilege of wearing similar shirts.

Without respecting these differences, the national office runs the risk of cheapening the entire experience by using a "service fraternity" as a guise to market an ideology (which is more often than not a bad thing).
Co-sign^10 at the bolded.

Excellent post, save for the part about the fraternity being founded exclusively for former Eagle Scouts. That was never the case. Former Boy Scouts, yes, but not Eagle Scouts.

Lee_pi_chi, I have been saying what you've expressed for years. And for the record, I am very much pro-all-male, so I truly empathize with you and your chapter.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 10:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636415)
Not to nitpick, but I don't think it's a true secession if the chapter closed due to the school closing.
Some may agree, some may disagree. Depends on your perspective.

The fact is, a group of brothers left APO because of an ideological dispute that could've otherwise been averted.

emb021 04-18-2008 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee pi chi (Post 1635792)
I believe that as long as a chapter maintains a set minimum of requirements, such as hours of community service required, cardinal principles, etc..., that most any delineation from that standard should be acceptable insofar as the said modifications pass by each chapter's respective university. I feel that these changes should be respected, but not enforced nationally.

Without respecting these differences, the national office runs the risk of cheapening the entire experience by using a "service fraternity" as a guise to market an ideology (which is more often than not a bad thing).
Each chapter has a lot of latitude within the bounds of national policy to create a unique group.

That said, chapters do a disservice to our National Fraternity when they lose sight that they ARE a PART of a National organization, and fail to educate their members in our National history, National organization, and the like. If you know more about your chapter history then our National history, that's not good. If you know more about the founders of your chapter, then our Founders, that's not good. The results of this is too often these Brothers think of ONLY their chapter when they think of APO, and don't become alumni volunteers or help out other chapters.


Uh, what 'ideology' is the National Office pushing? Keep in mind that our National Fraternity is lead by alumni voted in by active voting delegates. If chapters fail to participate in this process, but attending National Convention and the like, its hard for them to complain about how things are going.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by emb021 (Post 1636441)
If chapters fail to participate in this process, but attending National Convention and the like, its hard for them to complain about how things are going.

I beg to differ. Complaining is easy, that's why everyone does it. ;)

I kid, I kid.

emb021 04-18-2008 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636443)
I beg to differ. Complaining is easy, that's why everyone does it. ;)

I kid, I kid.
Everyone complains. :cool:

But did they do something about it, or just bellyache? (what is sometimes called being a 'backseat driver' or 'monday morning quarterback'.) Anyone can shoot their mouth off on-line or the like. (case in point here)

In APO, changes in our National Org are done at on the legislative floor of the National Convention. If you want to affect change, that is where you need to be. If a chapter failed to get voting delegates to the Convention, its a bit poor for them to be complaining about how things are going. If you don't like it, get involved! Speak up in advance! Attend Section and Region Conferences, go to Nationals. Speak with other chapters and convence them.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 11:40 AM
Ashley Robinson

posted 4/17/08 @ 12:06 AM EST

To say that the brothers of Alpha Delta "just couldn't handle treating women as their equals" is not only offensive, but a grave error in judgment. The brothers of Alpha Delta are, and have been, engaged in a highly cooperative and equal relationship with the sisters of the Delta Nu chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority since its inception in 1972, at which time the Sigma Xi chapter of Alpha Phi Omega helped to found the sorority whose members they would come to refer to as their sisters. There are two active Greek service organizations on the University of Maine campus, Alpha Delta and Gamma Sigma Sigma, which collectively provide every student on this campus the opportunity to participate. Furthermore, I consider the brothers of Alpha Delta to be my brothers; my members-in-training have big brothers and I have a little brother, we work together on meaningful service projects to aid the community and campus that we hold in common and we form close bonds of friendship. Never in my relationship with the brothers of Alpha Delta have I felt treated as anything less than an equal or given anything less than the respect, friendship, and appreciation for helping humankind that I share with my brothers. Regardless of one's personal qualms about the separation of the Sigma Xi chapter, it would be wise not to slanderously question the character and integrity of the outstanding young men who comprise that organization. -Ashley Robinson, Membership Vice President, Delta Nu chapter, Gamma Sigma Sigma Service Sorority


1) I found it interesting that this young lady considers the relationship equal -- that's an extremely cordial working relationship, but it's definitely not equality.

2) This is exactly why people need to stay in their own lane sometimes.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636450)
1) I found it interesting that this young lady considers the relationship equal -- that's an extremely cordial working relationship, but it's definitely not equality.
Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636497)
Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.
Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

arvid1978 04-18-2008 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636498)
Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.
Huge co-sign to that.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636498)
Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.
*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636501)
However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

arvid1978 04-18-2008 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636501)
*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Prior to learning more about Title IX and how it directly affects Alpha Phi Omega (we don't have the exemption that Social greeks do), I respected the decisions of those chapters choosing to stay all-male. I didn't agree with it, but I respected it.

Now that I know the law and its implications, I can't respect a group that blatantly ignores it, knowing the harm it could bring to the Fraternity if we were to be sued for violating it.

33girl 04-18-2008 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636501)
*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Membership in Gamma Sigma Sigma or Omega Phi Alpha or [insert any other service sorority here] is not the same thing as membership in Alpha Phi Omega.

Why is this so hard to understand?

gamma_girl52 04-18-2008 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636506)
Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.
As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over :)

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma_girl52 (Post 1636513)

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.
Thanks. :)

gamma_girl52 04-18-2008 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1636508)
Membership in Gamma Sigma Sigma or Omega Phi Alpha or [insert any other service sorority here] is not the same thing as membership in Alpha Phi Omega.

Why is this so hard to understand?
I posted before seeing this one...out the lane I go...:p 'Shid I'm sorry!!

Honestly are we REALLY that different? Are you just referring to how each organization operates or are you referring to service?
It's not hard for me to understand on an operational level. I can see that.
However I can see how it would be hard to understand on other levels, such as interaction--honestly, what my sister in DN said is how a lot of Gamma Sigs feel. Not all of us, but a good number of us do.

Alpha Phi Omega is our BROTHER fraternity. We work together, we serve together and GSS can directly tie a lot of history to APO. I think that is what she meant by being equal-we work towards the same things, we treat one another the same.

Senusret I 04-18-2008 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma_girl52 (Post 1636518)
I posted before seeing this one...out the lane I go...:p 'Shid I'm sorry!!

Honestly are we REALLY that different? Are you just referring to how each organization operates or are you referring to service?
It's not hard for me to understand on an operational level. I can see that.
However I can see how it would be hard to understand on other levels, such as interaction--honestly, what my sister in DN said is how a lot of Gamma Sigs feel. Not all of us, but a good number of us do.

Alpha Phi Omega is our BROTHER fraternity. We work together, we serve together and GSS can directly tie a lot of history to APO. I think that is what she meant by being equal-we work towards the same things, we treat one another the same.
As you and I have spoken in various forums and on different levels about this very topic.... my opinion is that it's not about how APO and GSS can function on an organizational level. I've always felt that the true bond is between the organizations and not the male members of one and the female members of another. My mentality makes it easy for me to accept any GSS as having a bond with me, male or female.

Not everyone has this mentality.

When members of APO who are men would rather have an all male chapter and serve with Gamma Sigs, they miss the fundamental organizational connections our orgs have. Yes, at one point, each org was single gender. Now, neither is. Again, for me, that doesn't make me treat a male GSS any different, socially speaking.

We are reaching a point where on several campuses, women APO and GSS members are experiencing cordial relationships that you and I wouldn't have seen in 98, 99 (when we crossed). That's happening for many reasons, but the biggest reason is (I believe) that women in both orgs have stopped allowing male APO members to be the divisive force that we know has occurred in the past.

Organizationally, GSS and APO have handled this situation differently. I respect how GSS handles the coed issue and I am obligated to follow the rules of MY fraternity, as well.

I believe that an all or mostly female GSS is different enough from APO that it can thrive if an APO chapter goes coed.

I hope that made sense, I was trying not to be too repetitive since we've had this convo before. :)

Senusret I 04-18-2008 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma_girl52 (Post 1636518)
I think that is what she meant by being equal-we work towards the same things, we treat one another the same.
By the way, the point I forgot to add.... how does it look if my Brothers can treat Gamma Sigs equally but not potential woman members on campus?

33girl 04-18-2008 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma_girl52 (Post 1636518)
Honestly are we REALLY that different? Are you just referring to how each organization operates or are you referring to service?
It's not that deep.

Gamma Sigma Sigma is one organization. Alpha Phi Omega is another. Membership in one is not membership in another.

A hamburger at Burger King is not a hamburger at Wendy's. If I am hungry for a Burger King hamburger, telling me to go to Wendy's won't get me a Burger King hamburger.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636506)
It's over.
It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636506)
They lost.
A mutually agreeable compromise or separation agreement between the co-ed and all-male constituencies would work wonders in resolving this issue once and for all. Your f[oul]ed up attitude of "we win, you lose", does nothing but harbor more bad blood within the organization and only serves to drag out the issue that much further and that much longer. It does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates an illusion that the problem is solved. I guarantee you the issue is far from over.

Hint: that is why we need a win-win resolution that is mutally agreeable to all parties.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1636508)
Membership in Gamma Sigma Sigma or Omega Phi Alpha or [insert any other service sorority here] is not the same thing as membership in Alpha Phi Omega.
*chuckles* No shade, Sherlock!

Senusret I 04-18-2008 02:00 PM
I said good day, sir.

gamma_girl52 04-18-2008 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1636530)
It's not that deep.

Gamma Sigma Sigma is one organization. Alpha Phi Omega is another. Membership in one is not membership in another.

A hamburger at Burger King is not a hamburger at Wendy's. If I am hungry for a Burger King hamburger, telling me to go to Wendy's won't get me a Burger King hamburger.
I feel dumb. :)
But for the record Wendy's is way better than Burger King. :D
'Shid I got you now.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636534)
I said good day, sir.
*looks at Senusret as though he instantly grew a third eye in the middle of his forehead*

*laughs and makes a dismissive wave*. Naraht, do you have any update on the Delta Chapter yet? I'm really curious as to what they're planning to do.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma_girl52 (Post 1636513)
As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over :)

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.
You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference). :D

Senusret I 04-18-2008 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636542)
You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference). :D
Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.

KAPital PHINUst 04-18-2008 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1636544)
Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.
What about my A-Phi-Q/Viking membership? (oh, I forget, you aren't one).

Never mind.

PADFSUGirl2K2 04-19-2008 09:19 AM
Okay, must we resort to bashing each other? I don't know much yet but considering we are co-ed, I like it. Our chapter is about 85% female and we still get respect from others here. I haven't interacted with Kappa Delta yet but I guess it is different other places. I just hope that the males who wish to keep A Phi O traditional should realize that there aren't many other options to a service organization besides Gamma Sig and Omega Phi Alpha. If anyone wants to send me some more history about the break to make APO co-ed, drop me a PM.

naraht 04-20-2008 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by arvid1978 (Post 1635901)
I want to address more of your comment, but this sticks out as patently false. We were never founded just for Eagle Scouts; that is a rumor that has been going around for quite some time. Randy/Michael, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Agreed, this is False. Frank Reed Horton was never an Eagle Scout. While looking through the old Torch and Trefoils, I have found several reminders from the National Fraternity to the chapters that chapters are not allowed to add additional requirements in terms of rank achieved in determining admission. This goes back almost to the beginning in that the group of scouts at Auburn that were looking to form their own college scouting related fraternity (and were pointed by BSA HQ in NY to Frank Reed Horton's group at Lafayette, Pitt and Cornell) were entirely Eagle Scouts.

The only change to the scouting membership requirements came in the 1950s (I believe, I'll have to go look) in that membership in other National scouting organizations in WOSM was allowed.

Remember, Brother Bill Clinton was never a boy scout at all, he was able to join Mu Alpha chapter because he had been a cub scout. Also, by the 1960s, some (possibly many) chapters were simply registering those interested in "College Scouter Reserve" with their local council, which defacto allowed any man to join.

Randy

naraht 04-20-2008 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee pi chi (Post 1635792)

Furthermore, I feel that the term "manly strength" is offensive in that it, in some ways, supposes (or at least connotes) that there is a "feminine weakness." But that's just (if I can speak for my chapter) our chapter's opinion.
For further fun on the topic, see the Wikipedia page on Maryland's state motto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatti_m..._parole_femine

naraht 04-20-2008 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lisarpotter (Post 1636026)
I am a member of Omega Phi Alpha, which I assume you all know is based off of A Phi O. I am curious about this situation because I find it strange that nationals would require all chapters to be co-ed. In OPA we are mostly all female chapters, however we do have chapters with male members. We do not discriminate against anyone who wants to join, and yet we are not forced to be co-ed.

Our purpose in OPhiA as far as I know, has always been:

The purpose and goals of this sorority shall be to assemble its members in the fellowship of Omega Phi Alpha, to develop friendship, leadership and cooperation by promoting service to the university-community, to the community-at-large, to the members of the sorority and to the nations of the world.

It does not contain any gender biased language, it simply refers to "members".

It would have been interesting to hear the discussion at convention when this action was voted on. It seems like there could have been a better compromise in the national organization rather than to say make these changes or leave.

By the way... does anyone know if there are any APO chapters still around in Arizona? I went to NAU, and there was a small chapter there when I was still in college, but I don't know if they are still around.
If Omega Phi Alpha is not a social sorority, they are covered by Title IX just as Alpha Phi Omega is.

I would be interested any ideas that you might have as a compromise.

U of Arizona is active and running about 90-100 brothers. Arizona State is under 20 brothers, I think. Northern Arizona University is inactive, however efforts have taken place this semester in trying to bring it back.

naraht 04-20-2008 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636414)
Just for the record:

Sigma Xi chapter was not the first chapter to secede from APO due to being forced to go co-ed.

Theta Xi chapter (Parks College of St. Louis University) was an all male chapter that had to merge with another chapter when Parks College closed down. The chapter they merged with was co-ed and would not allow the all-male group to stay all male, so the all-male group seceded from Alpha Phi Omega and formed a social fraternity which later got picked up as a chapter of Theta Xi Fraternity.

Interesting story.
And pretty much correct. The additional information that I have heard on the issue is as follows.

At a non-APO level... Parks College was founded as an Aeronautical School in 1927 in Columbia Illinois. In 1946 he gave the school to St. Louis University. In fall 1997, St. Louis University decided to close down the campus in Illinois and move all Aeronautical and related programs onto the mail campus.

A timeline for Delta Delta chapter and Theta Xi chapter is at http://www.slu.edu/organizations/apo/timeline.html . To boil down, Delta Delta was chartered in 1944, Theta Xi was chartered in 1950. Delta Delta went inactive in 1971, and reactivated in 1990 (I believe it was reactivated co-ed). In 1997 when SLU-Parks was closed, all of the students at SLU-Parks became students at SLU Main campus.

As such, the question as to how to handle to the two charters came up. I know the Regional Director ended up at campus at one point in the discussion. Delta Delta was a fairly large chapter and I believe that internally had 3(?) families designed to help with giving a smaller group for some fellowship activities. One proposal was to allow the group from Theta Xi to become an additional family, with only male new brothers added to that family. I'm not sure whether that proposal was considered seriously.

I knew that the brothers of Theta Xi chapter had looked into forming a chapter of Theta Xi fraternity and I thought they had succeeded, but apparently that chapter of Theta Xi is not active any more if it was. Theta Xi National doesn't show a chapter at that school and Theta Xi isn't in the list of F/S at SLU.

naraht 04-20-2008 10:51 PM
[QUOTE=KAPital PHINUst;1636531]It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Alpha Delta Phi was only under internal pressure. They were quite within their legal rights to pull the charters of those chapters which had admitted women and deny those brothers at those schools the ability to use the name Alpha Delta Phi. The Title IX pressures only go one way, a group which is Social doesn't have to be single gender...

As for whether as a solution that would legally protect Alpha Phi Omega fraternity from the legal issues of the society, I don't know...

AndrewPiChi 04-20-2008 10:57 PM
there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.

naraht 04-20-2008 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1636538)
*looks at Senusret as though he instantly grew a third eye in the middle of his forehead*

*laughs and makes a dismissive wave*. Naraht, do you have any update on the Delta Chapter yet? I'm really curious as to what they're planning to do.
No, I don't, and they are probably the single all-male chapter that I'm most curious about. In many ways Delta has been the "flagship" of the all-male chapters, (Yes, they have OPA on campus rather than GSS, but I don't think that matters much). I'm convinced that if the brothers at Delta had deliberately organized the all-male chapters after Nationals, they probably could have pulled off getting most to leave with them into a separate organization. The fact that Clemson went co-ed didn't surprise me much, Former APO National President McKenzie is loved by that chapter and my belief is that he could have convinced them.

naraht 04-20-2008 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi (Post 1637227)
there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.
I would like any information that you have on any of them. I only know of three organizations for men that came out of Alpha Phi Omega efforts. One is Phi Rho Eta (greek for Frank Reed Horton's initials?) originally out of SIU-Carbondale, thereis Theta Beta Phi which came out of a failed extension effort at University of Maryland Eastern Shore, and now Alpha Delta at Maine-Orono. (And the Theta Xi chapter at SLU)


Sincerely
Randy
(National History and Archives cmte.)

Quala67 04-23-2008 02:55 PM
*sigh*
 
:(I guess I wish that these folks had said they'd decided to disaffiliate with Alpha Phi Omega and start their own fraternity, rather than say they've changed names. I can call myself by a different name, but it doesn't change who I am.

To be fair, the clarification came from the 'adults' (and I use that term loosely!) on the Board, but the decision to affirm the BOD's move was passed by the voting body of Alpha Phi Omega, the National Convention. (Which, is made up of over 90% student voting delegates)

By doing what has been done, they have broken the first sentence of our Oath: "...to exemplify the principles and to advance the organization of Alpha Phi Omega..." There is no advancement of the organization here. It is a blatant attempt to discredit what was affirmed by their fellow students.

I just feel sad.

33girl 04-23-2008 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Quala67 (Post 1638903)
:(I guess I wish that these folks had said they'd decided to disaffiliate with Alpha Phi Omega and start their own fraternity, rather than say they've changed names. I can call myself by a different name, but it doesn't change who I am.
I'm hoping that they ARE saying that in real life, and that this newspaper article was just spectacularly poorly written. They never did quote a member saying "we changed our name" - those were the author of the article's words.

arvid1978 04-23-2008 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1637232)
One is Phi Rho Eta (greek for Frank Reed Horton's initials?) originally out of SIU-Carbondale
Yes, they were formed in the early 90's when Zeta Nu was having membership problems. As I understand, they were told that in order to come off of suspension, they had to come back co-ed. Those who were ok being co-ed stayed, those who didn't left and formed Phi Rho Eta. Zeta Nu eventually lost their charter a few years later for hazing. This is all second hand info though, from an alum of my chapter who was regional membership chair during this timeframe. I keep meaning to read the file in the archives at the Nat'l Office to corroborate.


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