Soooooooo wrong.:(

When they started, it was in the hopes of becoming ZTA. I am not sure if they gave up on that or the campus decided not to expand (this was all starting as I was finishing up advising there).

One of our chapters started as Zeta Tau Sorority (and their colors were blue & gray) because one of the girls had an older sister who was a Zeta...however, I don't think it was to this extent.

Even if a group is started up with hopes of being some NPC chapter, that should not give them the right to copy everything about that org. That is wrong on so many levels.

What if the school does expand and ZTA chooses not to submit anything for it?

Looooove the ZETA greek letters btw :rolleyes:

Well if I were the Director of Extension for Zeta Tau Alpha, I certainly wouldn't submit anything. Like it was said before, it's just like a PNM coming decked head to toe in your sorority's colors and acting like she's already in.

I wasn't trying to imply that it was okay, just giving the little background info I knew. Strangely enough, my chapter was a local before becoming Alpha Phi at URI. They were Kappa Delta Theta. I wonder which group they wanted to go with? haha Two groups only presented, and either was Kappa Alpha Theta. Granted, the local had their own symbols etc, but still a little weird. Maybe it's just a URI thing. I joined after we became a colony, so I don't know too much about what the founders were thinking.

If they didn't rip off every symbol of Kappa Alpha Theta, maybe that's not what they were thinking (that they wanted to be KATs).

I know you said you joined after the group became a colony so you wouldn't know for sure, but really, there are only so many greek letter combinations.

There was a local interest group on my first campus whose name was Delta Lambda. They had their own colors/mascot/symbols etc, and none of them were even remotely close to Delta Gamma. Someone might say "They are DG posers because their name is two greek letters and the first one is Delta!!!" but really, they picked letters that worked for them, and their own symbols and they did have interest in joining an NPC, but they didn't single out one...they waited for the campus to open up for expansion and looked at the three that presented.

It's one thing if the names are sort of similar minus one letter but they have their own symbols/mascot/etc; but quite another when the letters are extremely close, and the colors are the same, the mascot & symbols and even philanthropies are the same.

Yup, I agree. There are only so many Greek letters. I assumed Alpha Sigma at UW-W was the remnants of our chapter that was once there (their colors were the same as ours) until I was informed ;) that it was a local that had actually been around LONGER than ASA had.

And then there was the group of (extremely white) guys in the 1950 Clarion yearbook who founded a local fraternity called Alpha Phi Alpha.

There's a local at Brooklyn College called Alpha Sigma that wanted to become a chapter of Alpha Sigma Tau so they used the same colors, etc. as AST. AST did not want to colonize them.

The older collegiate sisters who were in KDT said that the local got chose their letters after seeing Theta's on a house in Boston or somewhere like that, but they remembered wrong. I think they really liked Theta but knew a bit more about how expansion worked and understood they had to make a group that fit them.

Hey, what can we say? We don't like posers. ;)

ZETA... wow. I'm not sure if I should be flattered... or terrified.

Sounds trite but imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I can see how a group would want to embody the colors etc to impress an NPC group. But as someone said, some groups will not consider some types of campuses - we have stellar women come of our SCSU but some NPCs are focusing on larger schools with other benefits/alum connections etc.

I think scsugirl should meet the dphie girls and see they are the real deal and don't haze - give up some starbucks and use your birthday $ for dues. You will not be sorry. A couple of dollars now translates into a lifetime of friends - friends who will not haze you today and call you friend tomorrow.

Good luck.

To set the record straight on this group... These "Kappa Gamma" girls had not contacted KKG's HQ about possible affiliation and were denied because the campus was not of a certain prestige. And most likely, the fact that they adopted all of the symbols and colors of KKG without any intent in pursuing affiliation is probably the major strike against them if they ever tried to pursue affiliation in the future. Imitation is not impressive when the imitation is verging close to fraud in trying to purport an affiliation that isn't there. The fact that these members thought that type of pretend affiliation was okay says more about their deficient character than anything.

I can't imagine an NPC group being flattered by a copy-cat group under these circumstances. It is one thing if you have contacted that NPC and are in the process of getting a charter (and using the NPC's colors openly and with the NPC group's knowledge). It is another thing to take all the symbols and colors without having first made any attempt to affiliate. To me, it shows ignorance and a lack of respect for what those symbols and colors might mean to the hundreds of thousands of initiated women that call themselves members of the national group.

Being a Kappa is a lot more than throwing a key on a blouse... I'd think that any woman pursuing the establishment of a colony would be wise to be sensitive to that before adopting symbols, colors and letters that have a specific meaning to many women throughout this country and others.

Kappa Gamma FRATERNITY!?
 

Yep, I just found that there is a Kappa Gamma Fraternity...as in for men..at Gallaudet University. It is a fraternity for deaf men and it looks like their colors are blue and gold. They were established in 1901. Here is the link: http://www.kappagamma.com/

This is exactly what I was thinking when I read this thread! Who else would know enough of Kappa Kappa Gamma's symbols, colors, badge, etc, to copy them unless that had previously been a member?

As for the OP, please do not let your image of Greek Life get tainted by two local GLOs that you have in your own words described as not so reputable organizations. As some other posters have said, other (inter)national sororities such as those affiliated with NPC and NPHC offer a lifetime of membership!

Ok...so this is getting WAY out of hand. I am a member of Kappa Gamma Sorority at SCSU, and I simply cannot believe that this matter is still being discussed here. Are we serious, ladies? Don't you "real" Kappas and Zetas and Deephers have something better to be doing (such as sticking to the morals you preach, like philanthropy & community service) than sitting on your computers and researching a small state school like Southern and its Greek Life?! Really now.

To set the record straight, we were NOT founded by a transfer student. A legitamate KKG who went to UConn happened to be best friends with an SCSU student who wanted to start an organization. So the material that we had (yes, past tense) came from a creeper of a KKG, not a theiving KG. We never approached KKG to affiliate because we had no interest. We have our local pride, and weren't interested in being a NPC group. We've since changed our badge and symbols, so we have no connection whatsoever with KKG.

And the poster SCSUgirl who got ya'll so riled up is full of shit. She wasn't trying to rush us. We aren't even HAVING A RUSH this spring. My guess would be that she's already part of an organization at SCSU and is trying to slander us. It's okay to be jealous, honey, but this is a bit much ;)

Any further questions as to the legitamacy of our organization can be directed to our President at kappagamma1213@yahoo.com

Oh, judging by the tone of your post obviously everyone here is waaaayyyy off the mark. You do a fine job of representing your little ol group. It may be that the wrong impression has been given to the community at large about your group given their early thieving (i before e except after c) of the symbols, colours and even name of Kappa Kappa Gamma. If some 7 or 8 years later you have changed, well, about time.

And yes, the REAL sorority women here ( both local and NPC) have lots to do - including calling a spade a spade, and a copycat org a copycat org. Are you still calling yourself Kappa Gamma, or Kappas? 'Nuff said.

eta - and if you had let this sleeping dog lie, the thread would probably have died.

Plus the OP said she was considering greek life, not rushing.

quoted... for posterity :p:o

If you had such "local pride" why did you blatently copy a Nat'l org for 7-8 years?

;)

and i wanted to add
 

I think it's hilarious that on the chapter's myspace page, they are listed as "swingers" :D


Status: Swinger
Hometown: New Haven, Connecticut
Zodiac Sign: Sagittarius
Education: In college


http://www.myspace.com/kappagammasisters

If I was a pnm I'm not sure I would want to join a group that was openly into the whole swinging thing...

I don't think anyone here is "stressing". But let me point out that had the group not received so much criticism they might not have changed everything they stole from Kappa Kappa Gamma. I know of no other NPC group called "Kappa" - the only one who might, Kappa Alpha Theta,is most definitely "Theta", so I don't understand what you mean about the names. Several national fraternities and sororities changed their original name when they learned an earlier group already had it - ADII and Sigma Chi spring to mind. The whole subject would have been dropped had not the latest "Kappa Gamma" chosen to come here and act in such a defensive and unladylike manner. Having done so, she's painted a target on her group. She chose to revisit the subject - and having done so, should expect that those who feel strongly about the subject of copycat groups might have something to say.
Should you not like the criticism leveled at the group, might I suggest you not visit the thread?

eta - I believe you mean "moot", not "mute".

So i writing this post calling out KGSCSU because i WAS a student at scsu and knew women in KG back before your "changes" took place i'm not sure when you became a sister but you might wish to speak with older sisters because i knew girls in KG and i was told by them about talks to affiliate as for the copying i feel nothing more needs to be said.

On a side note another sorority at SCSU Omega Zeta Pi was founded by girls who had been in Phi Sigma Sigma but got their charter removed by nationals and a semester later started OZP. So in my opinion as a former SCSU student is with the exception of DPHIE a reputable national organization the validity of locals at SCSU should not be taken seriously.

ETA: While anyone has any right to question KG one should take into account that most if not all of the sisters in the sorority presently had nothing to do with the founding and have suposebly worked to change the similarities. Also i feel that along with examining the sorority one should question the student affairs office at SCSU for allowing either of the above mentioned sororities to be created and sanctioned by the school especially since SCSU has a reputable National sorority on campus and the image of the two locals could adversely influence the image of the National sorority.

Stepping off my soap box now. . . . . .

Does anyone else have a headache after trying to read that?

psst- "suposebly" is not a real word....

I'm sorry you had a headache trying to read that i had one trying to type it. . . If that makes any sense

That makes sense.

Just remember that punctuation can be your friend. It is certainly your readers' friend.

Just to clarify to anyone reading this I am not a member of DPHIE if anyone my think that

No. We just think you don't really have full control of standard written English or a keyboard.

I will fully admit that i am horrible with punctuation and i know gc is a stickler for it however i do try my best but don't really proof read something i'm putting on a message board.

Ok so i never imagined when i wrote this post that it would blow up like this. My intent was not to cause trouble or slander any organization and I am terribly sorry if that has occurred. If there is any way to delete this post maybe that could be done?

You can delete your posts, but that's about it. The thread will stay open as long as the discussion remains civil.

It appears as if they've been doing some "editing" on their myspace page. They're now listed as "single" instead of "swinger." LOL.

And I think it is funny that they say they've "changed" all their colors and symbols. Thank god, they did give up the golden key badge on this new edited Myspace page. But there is all this BS on there about how their colors are navy blue and turquoise. Yep, that is SO different than dark and light blue. I'm sure no one will be confused with shirts in two shades of blue that say "Kappa."

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h7.../KAPPAser2.jpg

Long story short: you may think you've got something unique, but in the end you're nothing more than wannabe sorority hacks. If you thought you could have survived without mooching off of KKG's established reputation you woudn't choose to continue with KKG's colors. Personally, I'd give you some slack if you changed to blue and gold, blue and silver, or blue and purple. Something besides blue and blue. You just don't want to give it up, huh? Is it that you know you can't survive without being a leech?

According to their MySpace, this is their motto:

"On the road of Life, there are friends and there are sisters. Kappa Gamma sisters wanted!"

...which is blatantly ripped off of the Volkswagen ad slogan. Seriously, they can't even write their own motto? Give me a break.

It took me forever to get this. Now I can't stop laughing. (And if I am wrong, I don't want to be right.)

Chuck has only one thing he wants to say to the girls from "Kappa Gamma" at SCSU: this is what you look like.

Chuck Norris, I [heart] you!!!

;)

So awesome.