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KSig RC 02-20-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1604821)
Please tell me how this isn't a racist comment. He wouldn't say he would go and lynch Hillary Clinton.

Well, you're attempting to rally a group of people to lynch O'Reilly, when there's really no need for the torches at all.

See? That's not racist - in fact, there were "lynch mobs" before there were ever slaves in the United States. The ignorant connotation behind lynchings is somewhat specific, as we can show:

"He's getting lynched by the media!" <-- No connotation at all, but still probably something to avoid in direct reference to a black person because of historical racist crimes. O'Reilly forgot the second part, but the first part was exactly the opposite of how you described it. He likely would use that term in other situations, and likely has. I use it all the time - but then again, I'm from the north.

"(Something along the lines of) hang her from a tree!" <-- direct, explicit connection to abhorrent acts in the deep south. Inappropriate in almost every context. NOT how O'Reilly used the term.

Your point only stands on its own merits if he had actually said something directly offensive, as in the second case. He didn't - you're really projecting here. The term "lynch" is a completely valid descriptor, after all.

shinerbock 02-20-2008 11:38 PM

Didn't Tiger come out and say something about leaving him out of this kinda crap? I heard that second-hand, and I've never really liked Woods, but if that was his attitude then I gained a little respect for him.

PhiGam 02-21-2008 01:24 AM

This thread is absolutely worthless and retarded. If you think that what he said was wrong in any way then you need to go soak your head.

Drolefille 02-21-2008 02:01 AM

I don't think he meant it to come off that way, it was one of those poor choice of words in hindsight but you do see the word "lynch" used outside of racial contexts particularly something like "being lynched by the media." O'Reilly is perfectly capable of being offensive when he wants to, and (intentionally or not) obtuse other times. I'd guess he didn't mean it here and it was nothing more than a word, and one he would indeed have used toward Hillary Clinton.

No one was asking for their "motherf*cking iced tea" though, right?

DaemonSeid 02-21-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1604966)
This thread is absolutely worthless and retarded. If you think that what he said was wrong in any way then you need to go soak your head.

And soaking one's head accomplishes.....?

shinerbock 02-21-2008 08:56 AM

I don't even think it is a poor choice of words. He may wish he hadn't phrased it like that, but I think it was perfectly suitable for what he was trying to convey.

PhiGam 02-21-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1605006)
I don't even think it is a poor choice of words. He may wish he hadn't phrased it like that, but I think it was perfectly suitable for what he was trying to convey.

Agreed 100%.
Liberals are only making him bigger and stronger with this BS. Giving him public attention when a majority of the American public agrees with him on this issue... stupid.

nittanyalum 02-21-2008 02:45 PM

^^^Even I agree with you all on this and I can't stand O'Reilly.

PhiGam 02-21-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1605217)
^^^Even I agree with you all on this and I can't stand O'Reilly.

I'm not a fan either but this is absolutely ridiculous.

pinkies up 02-21-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1604873)
Well, you're attempting to rally a group of people to lynch O'Reilly, when there's really no need for the torches at all.

See? That's not racist - in fact, there were "lynch mobs" before there were ever slaves in the United States. The ignorant connotation behind lynchings is somewhat specific, as we can show:

"He's getting lynched by the media!" <-- No connotation at all, but still probably something to avoid in direct reference to a black person because of historical racist crimes. O'Reilly forgot the second part, but the first part was exactly the opposite of how you described it. He likely would use that term in other situations, and likely has. I use it all the time - but then again, I'm from the north.

"(Something along the lines of) hang her from a tree!" <-- direct, explicit connection to abhorrent acts in the deep south. Inappropriate in almost every context. NOT how O'Reilly used the term.

Your point only stands on its own merits if he had actually said something directly offensive, as in the second case. He didn't - you're really projecting here. The term "lynch" is a completely valid descriptor, after all.

Mentioning the word lynch and a black person isn't the smartest thing to do. There is no "oh, I didn't mean it like that":rolleyes: Get real.

PhiGam 02-25-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1605589)
Mentioning the word lynch and a black person isn't the smartest thing to do. There is no "oh, I didn't mean it like that":rolleyes: Get real.

Reading the transcripts makes it blatantly obvious that he in fact DID NOT mean it "like that." Its actually a smart move on his part because if this becomes a controversy then he becomes more famous and liberals look ridiculous.

PhiGam 02-25-2008 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1605001)
And soaking one's head accomplishes.....?

Think about it... if somebody submerges their head in water what happens? :eek:

DeltAlum 02-25-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1607018)
Think about it... if somebody submerges their head in water what happens? :eek:

They hold their breath, their hair gets wet, and then they surface.

All of these guys, liberal and conservative, take themselves way too seriously.

And some of us take them too seriously as well.

pinkies up 02-26-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1607016)
Reading the transcripts makes it blatantly obvious that he in fact DID NOT mean it "like that." Its actually a smart move on his part because if this becomes a controversy then he becomes more famous and liberals look ridiculous.

:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

shinerbock 02-26-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608136)
:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

And there goes any rational discussion. Complete and utter cop-out.

macallan25 02-26-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608136)
:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

Every comment you have made in this thread is borderline idiotic.

"Some people will never learn racism"???? Are you kidding me?

pinkies up 02-26-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1608180)
Every comment you have made in this thread is borderline idiotic.

"Some people will never learn racism"???? Are you kidding me?

Mr. Dumass-

I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other. The comment you just made isn't borderline idiotic, it's down right idiotic. To say, or infer, that you would lynch someone, or hunt them down, especially a black person, that is inappropriate. :mad:

shinerbock 02-26-2008 10:55 PM

Please show me where he said he'd lynch a black person. He said he would NOT join a lynch mob against her.

macallan25 02-26-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608188)
Mr. Dumass-

Well that's ironic.

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I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other. The comment you just made isn't borderline idiotic, it's down right idiotic. To say, or infer, that you would lynch someone, or hunt them down, especially a black person, that is inappropriate. :mad:
That's great. Apparently you don't know grammar though.

For anyone to take Bill O'Reilly's comment as "racist" is absurdly ridiculous. Learn some reading comprehension and how to put words into context and get back to all of us. He said he WOULD NOT JOIN a lynch mob against her.

Everyone in this thread = 1 You = 0

DSTCHAOS 02-26-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608136)
:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

I said the same thing (about you) when I read your post. :)

DSTCHAOS 02-26-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608188)
I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other.

Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."

DSTCHAOS 02-26-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1608198)
Well that's ironic.



That's great. Apparently you don't know grammar though.

For anyone to take Bill O'Reilly's comment as "racist" is absurdly ridiculous. Learn some reading comprehension and how to put words into context and get back to all of us. He said he WOULD NOT JOIN a lynch mob against her.

Everyone in this thread = 1 You = 0


His comment was ill placed and the outcome could've been racist if the context was different. But that wasn't the case.

And to assert that O'Reilly himself is racist is silly to me. It's not the first time I've heard that assertion and I'm still wondering what information that is based on.

macallan25 02-27-2008 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1608236)
His comment was ill placed and the outcome could've been racist if the context was different. But that wasn't the case.

And to assert that O'Reilly himself is racist is silly to me. It's not the first time I've heard that assertion and I'm still wondering what information that is based on.

Exactly.

PhiGam 02-27-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1608236)
His comment was ill placed and the outcome could've been racist if the context was different. But that wasn't the case.

And to assert that O'Reilly himself is racist is silly to me. It's not the first time I've heard that assertion and I'm still wondering what information that is based on.

If he is racist then this certainly doesn't prove anything.

DSTCHAOS 02-27-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1608620)
If he is racist then this certainly doesn't prove anything.

Huh?

pinkies up 02-27-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1608198)
Well that's ironic.



That's great. Apparently you don't know grammar though.

For anyone to take Bill O'Reilly's comment as "racist" is absurdly ridiculous. Learn some reading comprehension and how to put words into context and get back to all of us. He said he WOULD NOT JOIN a lynch mob against her.

Everyone in this thread = 1 You = 0

Can YOU read??? I am so done with trying to point out the obvious to people who have their blinders on. I know when to get the hell on and let the simple minded people have their way. Keep thinking that Bill O. isn't racist and that he didn't "mean" it in that context. As for the cute little score card, it isn't about who doesn't think it was a stupid ass comment to make, it's about the fact that we keep on accepting these comments and saying "he didn't mean it". So, I guess if he had called her the n-word, your argument would have been "he used the n-word that ends with an a, so it's okay.":rolleyes:

I just know to stay away from certain GCers; don't want to get lynched...by the mob. Oh, I didn't mean it like it sounded. :rolleyes::cool:

pinkies up 02-27-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1608231)
Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."

I'll have to ask the people whose family members were killed by lynching. The kind Bill O. said he wasn't "talking" about.

DSTCHAOS 02-27-2008 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608740)
I'll have to ask the people whose family members were killed by lynching. The kind Bill O. said he wasn't "talking" about.

No need. The answer is "no."

DSTCHAOS 02-27-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608738)
Can YOU read??? I am so done with trying to point out the obvious to people who have their blinders on. I know when to get the hell on and let the simple minded people have their way. Keep thinking that Bill O. isn't racist and that he didn't "mean" it in that context. As for the cute little score card, it isn't about who doesn't think it was a stupid ass comment to make, it's about the fact that we keep on accepting these comments and saying "he didn't mean it". So, I guess if he had called her the n-word, your argument would have been "he used the n-word that ends with an a, so it's okay.":rolleyes:

I just know to stay away from certain GCers; don't want to get lynched...by the mob. Oh, I didn't mean it like it sounded. :rolleyes::cool:


Are you okay?

macallan25 02-28-2008 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1608738)
Can YOU read??? I am so done with trying to point out the obvious to people who have their blinders on. I know when to get the hell on and let the simple minded people have their way. Keep thinking that Bill O. isn't racist and that he didn't "mean" it in that context. As for the cute little score card, it isn't about who doesn't think it was a stupid ass comment to make, it's about the fact that we keep on accepting these comments and saying "he didn't mean it". So, I guess if he had called her the n-word, your argument would have been "he used the n-word that ends with an a, so it's okay.":rolleyes:

I just know to stay away from certain GCers; don't want to get lynched...by the mob. Oh, I didn't mean it like it sounded. :rolleyes::cool:


Xanax.

pinkies up 02-28-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1608747)
Are you okay?

I'm good Sistergreek. Some people just don't know how to agree to disagree.

pinkies up 02-28-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1609081)
Xanax.

Reality check. :cool:

DSTCHAOS 02-28-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1609590)
I'm good Sistergreek. Some people just don't know how to agree to disagree.

You started the intolerance for other viewpoints, Sistergreek.

ETA: I disagree with your interpretation of O'Reilly's comment but I understand that a lot of people interpreted it the way you did. However, in my disagreement with you, you didn't roll your eyes at me and say "some people will never understand racism." ;)

macallan25 02-28-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1609592)
Reality check. :cool:

I am well in check with the "reality" of that situation. Everyone else seems to be as well.........except you.

:removeblinders

pinkies up 02-28-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1609621)
You started the intolerance for other viewpoints, Sistergreek.

ETA: I disagree with your interpretation of O'Reilly's comment but I understand that a lot of people interpreted it the way you did. However, in my disagreement with you, you didn't roll your eyes at me and say "some people will never understand racism." ;)

point taken Sistergreek.;)

PhiGam 02-29-2008 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1608231)
Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."

There is a spot on my campus that they used to lynch black americans on and I don't dare pretend that I "understand" it. This whole thing makes no sense to me but I can say that what Bill O. said was NOT racist and that the word lynch is not necessarily racist either. Its a word that existed long before and will exist long after the tragic lynchings of blacks during the long period of systematic racism in America.

DSTCHAOS 02-29-2008 09:21 AM

This isn't about political correctness, though.
 
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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1609818)
This whole thing makes no sense to me but I can say that what Bill O. said was NOT racist and that the word lynch is not necessarily racist either. Its a word that existed long before and will exist long after the tragic lynchings of blacks during the long period of systematic racism in America.

In this instance, it is the context and not the word even if O'Reilly wasn't really attacking Michelle Obama.

People need to be aware of the context to avoid putting their foot in their mouths. The word "holocaust" also means "a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through a fire." However, people with any sense would try to avoid saying something for descriptive effect like "there was a fire at the local Jewish center...it was a holocaust" or "There was a holocaust at this family's (and people know or find out that the family is Jewish) home this evening...police and fire officials are investigating to see what caused the fire." Jews would more than likely have a field day straightening that slip of the tongue out. And the person who made the slip of the tongue would more than likely be asked to apologize or at least be told that they should've just said "there was a massive or deadly fire," just like O'Reilly could've said he "didn't want to unfairly attack Michelle Obama."

So, no, I don't think O'Reilly is racist because it takes a lot more than what O'Reilly has said over the years for me to label someone a racist. Plus, I think that the average racist today is the covert type rather than the type to make public statements. But I'm not jumping to the other extreme of pretending that people don't have to be considerate and aware of context if they don't want their message lost because of its delivery.

nittanyalum 02-29-2008 09:32 AM

O'Reilly is a blowhard and an idiot. And he LOVES any kind of attention, he particularly seems to thrive on the negative stuff (well, except that whole sexual harrassment case, Mr. Stand Up Moral Guy didn't seem to enjoy that too much).

Even with how little I think of him, I do believe it was just a poor choice of words. Which goes back to my point about him being an idiot. KIM.


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