I'm struck at the irony of it all: God-haunted white Christian America unwilling even to entertain what one man says, in characteristically biblical fashion--taking a page out of the OT prophetic tradition, John the Baptist and Jesus--shows that America, by and large, is enthrall to a form of national idolatry.This is a warning born of love; but for idolators this is seen as a threat or for for those whose god is the polis, who only see things in terms of political motivations, a reflection of a massive narcissistic ego (the pot calling the kettle black!).

Of course, the irony abounds. The language that they are using to describe him (pompous, arrogant):rolleyes:, it is so absurd. That he is unapologetic is equally threatening to these people. Blech.

Some of my sorors (God Bless them) believe that there is a conspiracy against Obama using Rev. Wright. Someone believes that he is being paid by Clinton...

WOW.

HA!

Conspiracy or not.....
 

This situation may be the undoing of Obama's run for the presidency :(

Obama's run for the presidency isn't undone because of this situation. If it is undone, it's because of an overall sentiment that led Americans (read: a segment of whites) to demonize Wright (and Obama's relationship with him) in the first place.

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I was surprised the NY Post used a pic of Wright throwing up the Omega hooks on the cover. I'm sure they were trying to portray him as unprofessional and a fool. I admit it isn't the most flattering of pics but he doesn't look foolish to those of us who know that he's an Omega. Ha.

Brother Sent Me This Earlier
 

Clinton Pastor Backs Reverend Wright

http://www2.nysun.com/article/74027?page_no=1

But Obama doesn't.

Since people aren't ignoring this Wright-Obama nonsense yet, Obama vent ahead: :D

Obama's still playing the game. Figuratively sweating bullets and acting nervous. Letting these people make him think that he has to denounce his pastor. :rolleyes:

Is he going to issue a disclaimer next telling the white people, who are afraid of what will happen if he is elected, that he's NOT going to "revenge slavery if he's elected to office?" Yes, there are whites who think this just like there are men (particularly white males) who think Clinton is going to revenge women if she's elected.

How about, is Obama next going to take back his comment about turning the White House bowling alley into a basketball court if he's elected? You know, that comment had to have made some people nervous and will be used by some to say "Obama's change isn't the kind of change we need...we don't want fish fries at the White House."

Oh well, I agree with Rev. Wright's comments and he has my endorsement for whatever he's running for right now. :p If he isn't running for anything then I need him to get back behind the pulpit and get his butt out of the political realm for a while.

^^I wish I could ignore it, but my feelings are really hurt. And for me, it is not the Obama-Wright thing, because I maintain that what Rev. Wright says and does really has no bearing on who Obama is; Rev. Wright is just the latest in a long line of scare tactics that the media has used to attempt to derail Obama's campaign. It's that Rev. Wright has been slandered and villified by the media, and I can sympathize with his attempts (finally) to defend himself while k.i.m.

@Chaos: But he has always been just this socially/politically engaged. He really is just being Jeremiah Wright, no more, no less; only now, there are a bunch of cameras in his face. I still wonder if they would have been at the NAACP meeting had he not been there. While I regret that this is being used to attack Obama, I have to say that if it were a difference between me continuing to live my life and do me(because Rev. Wright did decline interviews for a good while) or hiding away for the next seven months, I would keep living my life.

What is interesting to me is that no one has mentioned or even discussed the idea of preaching as performance.

Oh I know that he's always been vocal and shook hands with politics and stuff. He's always been a figure in some of our communities. But now things are different and he needs to acknowledge that difference before it runs away from him. He isn't part of Obama's campaign, so I'm not saying to take a break because of that. I'm saying to take a break so that he can regroup and figure a way to get his MESSAGE to outweigh his IMAGE again.

He should definitely keep living his life, and speaking the truth, and not go into hiding. But I also don't believe that he's doing business the way he was before the mainstream spotlight was placed on him.

But Obama is a politician, not a preacher; the two roles have different obligations and responsibilities.

OK, maybe I will give you that. I don't know, it's been a long day; I have to think about it more.

He covered this on The Daily Show.

LOL.

we are saying the same thing...
 

i agree with you. it isnt this isolated incident. it definitely is the larger picture. but more people will look at it from this isolated perspective.

i am never surprised at the NY Post. they are an 'upscale' national enquirer or US magazine.

he definitely doesnt look foolish in my eyes..lol. this man speak truth and its a shame how all of this is playing out.

Nope. And CNN said as much. Before the speech started the anchor said viewers were criticizing them for only showing 30 second soundbites. The powers that be made an editorial choice to show the whole speech live.

I agree with you on this. I didn't have a problem with his speeches at NAACP and the Press Club. But, I was disappointed with the way he acted during the Q&A session. He could have simply answered the questions without all the clowning.

I take this back.

Obama had to denounce Wright and respond to what Wright said about Obama specifically. Obama admitted that he didn't know Wright as well as he thought he did and wasn't as close as he thought.

While I agree with the viewpoints that Wright initially expressed, he is doing too much. He has way too much experience and education to NOT know what impact his actions from this point on (not just what he said behind the pulpit) can have on the Obama campaign. He also knows about race and America so, unless he's being paid by the Clintons or the Repubs, he needs to have a seat. Not go into hiding or take back everything he said behind the pulpit about race and this country, but have a seat on that other nonsense.

I am really saddened by the turn of events. Rev . Wright really had a chance to turn the legitmate media around and also blount Fox News and the attacks of right-wing radio. Instead, he played right into their hands with the foolishness of that Q & A session. There is a time to berate the American Govt and espouse conspiracy theories, and even to praise Farakhan, but not at the expense of the hopes of the Black community and its chance of a Black president. You have to be smarter than to play into the hands of the enemy. Black folks may have been laughing and applauding, but Americas puppetmasters were dancing a jig.

I am glad that Rev Wright put himself out there at this time (hopefully it will be the last time during the campaign). I think that he was able to paint a more complete picture of himself. However, I think that Obama HAD to 'denounce' him to save his campaign and Rev Wright's 'antics' gave him the opportunity to do so. The press is reflecting that Bro Wright has been eerily silent since the Obama press conference; I believe that this is intentional. All Obama has to do now is no longer entertain questions related to this topic in an unequivocal and discussion-ending tone. Now he can get on with the business of becoming our next president!

BTW, if this 'controversy' is all his opponents have on him, he is definitely a shoo-in. Clinton and McCain have enough baggage to overflow several train cars!

Black folks who can think beyond their asses weren't really laughing and applauding, though.

Tom Joyner talked about Wright again today and was shaking his head at Wright throwing up the hooks and acting a fool. Wright gets props for being influential in Chicago and other places. That's not forgotten. But his image is overshadowing his hard work and now he's no better than those flashy Cleflo Dollar-type pastors, as far as I'm concerned.

Which is the hilarious part. I was watching one of Clinton's conferences the other day, and she said "We all make choices as to whom we associate with; they reflect our ability as leaders." I could not believe that she stood up there and said that with a straight face, with all of the skeleton's in her closet.

The stories they try to sell us. :rolleyes:

Rev. Wright is who he is. The media creates and perpetuates images of people. The "image" that many in America have of Jeremiah Wright was created by the media, not Jeremiah Wright. Having been quoted and interviewed by the media at least twice that I can think of, I know that neither time did what come out of my mouth end up being presented to the public because of editing and ultimately the image the editor was trying to propogate.

As for Tom Joyner, I love him to death, but I think he's wrong on this. I don't view Rev. Wright as acting like a fool. While I support Barack 1000%, what's going on with his reverend is nothing more than the media trying to juxtapose this black man with someone who they have labeled and cast as an extremist, racist, "Anti-American", etc. The psychological objective of this must be to undermine all of these "good" white folk who are beginning to think they can identify with him and that his message resonates with them.

This is all a game. If it weren't Jeremiah, it would be something else - this is the black tax. First they were trying to tie him to Islam in hopes of scaring people into thinking that he might have some tie to "radical Islam". Then they tried to tie him to Farrakhan and when he admitted his longstanding Christian faith, then it became Jeremiah Wright. Barack knows in his heart that what the man is saying is true and needs to be said if this country is going to stand a chance, but if he wants to be president and assuage the "good" white folk, then he'd better create distance and denouce his spiritual mentor/teacher and friend. This is merely another example of the price necessary to be paid for anyone black who truly aspires to greatness outside of the entertainment world in this country - you must be ready, willing and able to sell your soul as Barack is unfortunately doing.

Oh Wright isn't completely innocent in this. If people are truly smart enough to know the game, that means they know how to play it.

He was getting props for being a keep it real pastor and he milked it for everything that it's worth. I hope it was worth whatever the outcome is. :)

^^Right, and Rev. Wright is not playing the game that they want him to play. He is playing his game. Obama has to play their game, Rev. Wright does not.

Yep.

So I want him to sit down for reasons beyond Obama.

Father gets a bit crunk.
 

Interesting interview on Wright and Farrakhan.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...0&sMPlaylistID

This kid is not at all critical.

Obama has left Trinity...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Wow.

Watching news on it now. Obama has lost some points with me. He's making a good political move, but a bad ethical one in my opinion.
Yep.

^^Several folks that I have talked to say that same thing.

I disagree. People outgrow aspects of their life all the time. I go back to my old neighborhood in North Philly where I spent my formative years and I can't relate anymore.

I believe him when he says that he wants to further shield the church from press scrutiny.

I also think that this was the best point to leave the church from a political standpoint but also from a personal one. He is not the same person who attended the church for all those years. He has a new reality that he must deal with. He will be spending the next 8 years in Washington anyway so why not make a clean break?

^^I guess that some think that his withdrawing from the church is not going to lessen the amount of scrutiny and that his leaving now, in this moment, raises some questions for them that had not been raised before.

Obama has to leave because it is not fair to the church, its pastors, its members, or its guests to have the media, and especially Fox News going through every word that has ever been spoken there. People have been stealing church bulletins out of the trash. Also, speakers are too tempted to "perform" on the Trinity stage and it is not good for anyone.

That is the only way that I can respect the decision, if the request came from the church. In my opinion, people are still going to be doing those things because though he has left, there is still a twenty year relationship with the church. I don't really think that it will change much of anthing in terms of the way that the media handles the church.

Most definitely. And, it's not going to change the "why didn't he leave sooner?" comments. The church will be under scrutiny for the duration of this election season. The beginning of the end was that race speech which, while eloquent perhaps, would have been a great opportunity to clarify the church's (and Rev. Wright's) stance on things in a way that wasn't as threatening as what Wright had been saying.

Being that Wright is an Omega and many of Obama's close friends are Omegas such as Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., I wonder if Obama has ever been approached by Omega?

Uh......

On a slight tangent....Is Jesse's daughter who is close to Michelle Greek?

Actually, yes. Santita Jackson is a Soror initiated at Alpha Chapter.