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KappaKittyCat 02-17-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieXi (Post 1602648)
I understand what you are saying, but if it is part of membership selection -- as I have heard it is for some sororities, its up to the individual sorority to make that decision whether or not to advise the PNMs. Bottom line that membership selection is confidential, some people will say that thats crappy too.

I don't think MS's confidentiality is crappy. But if there are arbitrary metrics for choosing PNMs, why can't those be public? It just seems off to me. Who are these organizations that have a confidential minimum GPA?

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Like I said before, I think I know where the OP goes to school and the GPAs for almost all the sororities are all over a 3.0. Obviously, some must be lower than a 3.0 to get that average, but when you have a large percentage of PNMs with high GPAs, unfortunately, the girls with lower ones could be very well on the bubble of being cut.
No disagreement here; that's exactly the point I was trying to make above.

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Plus I am just putting it out there, but girls with lower GPAs could be scrutenized more carefully at more competitive campus'. You can have a girl with a 2.75, the minimum to rush, but she also holds an student government position, is involved with the student newspaper and plays a sport. Whereas, you can have a girl with a 2.75 who isn't involved in anything.
Again, no disagreement here.

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I would think most of us would agree that grade cuts usually come early on.
Yes, as they should. There's no reason to hold out false hope. My chapter always tried to make them at first round if at all possible.

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The OP in this situation was cross-cut on bid day.
I understand. I really wasn't commenting on her situation.

Zillini 02-18-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat (Post 1602603)
Now I can imagine another scenario: a chapter has a minimum GPA of 3.0. They've already made all their cuts after first round and still have more women than release figures allow them to invite back, so they go through and cut those with the lowest GPAs until they reduce the list to its appropriate size. Say they weren't able to stop until they hit 3.15, making that their effective chapter minimum. That number, I agree, would be part of MS. If that's what was being talked about here, then I'm cool. But for a chapter to say, "We have a minimum GPA and it's confidential, sorry," is really crappy.

Certainly that scenario is a possibility, but I have never seen it and I doubt I ever will. IMHO nobody likes "automatic cuts" because they're just that, automatic. Even with the huge numbers of PNM's we have going through recruitment on our campus, actives still want a say in who gets cut and who gets invited back via scores/voting. I can't tell you how many angry actives I've seen over the years who's fav PNM was released because her GPA wasn't good enough.

Besides most Chapters that I know of (anecdotal proof only) have their minimum GPA set well before Recruitment even starts. Whether it is via their I/natl guidelines, bylaws or some other local/internal policy, once it's set it's a done deal. There is no changing it.

Like I said earlier, the best way to estimate minimum GPA requirements is to look at the last several semesters of Panhellenic and individual Chapters GPAs. Being on a campus with a highly competitive recruitment typically means it's competitive in other areas of Greek/campus life as well. It's a fairly safe bet that the battle for grade rankings is incredibly intense. Being #1, close to the top or having leaped up a bunch of positions in a year is a great "selling" point during Recruitment. It shows how committed a Chapter is to scholastics.

KappaKittyCat 02-18-2008 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1602887)
Like I said earlier, the best way to estimate minimum GPA requirements is to look at the last several semesters of Panhellenic and individual Chapters GPAs. Being on a campus with a highly competitive recruitment typically means it's competitive in other areas of Greek/campus life as well. It's a fairly safe bet that the battle for grade rankings is incredibly intense. Being #1, close to the top or having leaped up a bunch of positions in a year is a great "selling" point during Recruitment. It shows how committed a Chapter is to scholastics.

Oh, I agree completely. I think that if a PNM is rushing and her GPA isn't the greatest coming from HS, or if she has college grades and is below the averages, she should have a realistic chat with herself that maybe her grades aren't good enough... especially if she's below the PH average and is shooting for one of the top chapters in terms of grades.

KappaKittyCat 02-18-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by indygphib (Post 1593597)
You mean...

VeniceIsSinking = Soliloquy?

:confused:

Wait... you mean, Ben is Glory?

(Name that show! :p)

AOIIalum 02-18-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat (Post 1602897)
Wait... you mean, Ben is Glory?

(Name that show! :p)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer!

<hijack>
Do we suspect there may be some kind of connection between Ben and Glory?</hijack>


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