From what I understand Jr. do not count against quota. Soph count as two. Since you have to have 12 hrs and a 2.5 to go through Recruitment at Baylor an email went out to verify if any girl was going through the first time and happened to have Soph. status do to hs AP courses, IB programs and hs dual credit. They wanted to make sure you were classified right. Which I assumed they were counting you as a freshman. Clear as mud, right.

Juniors did not count towards quota at A&M either but each chapter was only allowed to take 3, not 9 or 10.

Miami University - January 22 - Bid Day

Quota - 45 (all chapters made quota; many had quota additions)
Alpha Chi Omega: 45
Alpha Delta Pi: 49
Alpha Gamma Delta: 46
Alpha Omicron Pi: 51
Alpha Phi: 46
Alpha Xi Delta: 48
Chi Omega: 49
Delta Delta Delta: 49
Delta Gamma: 45
Delta Zeta: 47
Gamma Phi Beta: 45
Kappa Alpha Theta: 46
Kappa Delta: 50
Kappa Kappa Gamma: 47
Phi Mu: 48
Pi Beta Phi: 48
Zeta Tau Alpha: 46

Yay Miami! and especially adpi! =)

how wonderful when all the chapters make quota.

Wow! Paging mu_agd...

Oh my gosh. Congrats to Alpha Gamma Delta. They have had a few tough years. Glad to see they reached quota.

Yeah Miami...totally the power of RFM at work...

THAT'S WONDERFUL! Red and buff roses to the ladies of Zeta Iota!

Wow. Trivia buffs, does Miami now rank as the largest NPC system where every group made quota? Ole Miss has a ton of PNMs, but half this number of chapters.
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Did Alpha Epsilon Phi not participate in formal recruitment? I understood that the local Sigma had become an AEPhi colony, and in fact AEPhi is listed as a chapter in the Miami membership statistics for fall 2007.

Methinks it may be time for expansion at Miami soon...

I do not know the exact answer to your question, but AEPhi does not currently have a suite at MU. It would be very difficult to do formal recruitment at MU without one, since so many girls go through rush there.

Way too soon for that. One chapter that participates in FR is half the size of other chapters, but maybe in 3 yrs if this keeps up!

AEPhi does not go through formal recruitment at Miami. They are new to the campus, and last year, they participated in the open house round with the PNMs visiting them and getting information. However, they do not currently participate in formal recruitment. Hope that helps!

KD did not make quota this year and did open recruitment events last week, but I have no idea how it went. Rumor is that they'll disappear in the next couple years and be replaced with DG. Largest pledge class for Spring 08 at Baylor was Zeta with 70 (including juniors who do not count against quota). Tri Delt has 59; Theta has 58. The others are not too far behind either.

Tri Delta actually got 59 this year and Zeta got 70, including juniors.

This might read like a little bit of a backhanded compliment unless people know you're an Alpha Gamma Delta.

And I'm happy for the chapter too!

txcutie and Kitemom- rumors count for nothing. I'm going to assume that you simply don't know how Panhellenic expansion works.

In the scenario you describe, KD would have to chose to go off-campus, and Panhellenic would then have to decide to expand. If they decided to expand, all NPC groups would be notified and ALL of those interested would have the chance to submit interest packets. Then, and only then, the current Panhellenic Council would vote on several (usually 3 ) to present - and then vote for one of the three. If KD is planning to go off-campus, they would 1.) probably not plan it years in advance - if the situation warrants going off-campus, they would do it now. 2.) have probably not gone through rush and 3.)made an announcement. Only the KD chapter knows for sure, but spreading rumors like this one make it harder for KD to compete, so I really wish it would stop.
No matter how badly DG would like to return, it is not up to them. It would be up to Baylor Panhellenic to 1.) decide on expansion and 2.) decide on DG.
Incidently, DG does NOT improve their chances by spreading rumors like this. Please, in the name of Panhellenic unity, do not spread rumors and hearsay.

eta - txcutie, are you a new member of a sorority at Baylor?

At the University of Puget Sound,
Quota was 19
Alpha Phi-20
Pi Beta Phi- 20
Gamma Phi Beta-19
Kappa Alpha Theta-13

Quota dropped by 4 since last year and Theta is doing COB events right now to get their numbers up. Last year, with the higher quota, they got 12, so they are doing better.

My point is not whether or not KD is struggling - obviously they are - my point is that only they will decide what to do about it. It may be they chose to reorganize, or to go off campus. Spreading the rumor that they are about to go off campus, when there is no word from KD, makes it tougher for them to recruit.Therefore, in the absence of any word from KD headquarters, panhellenically minded sorority members should not spread a rumor - which is what it is. If they are indeed mistreating new members, those former members should report it to headquarters.

You'd be surprised at how a chapter can bounce back - those of us with extensive experience with different chapters can attest to that. (In fact, a time when A D Pi numbers at Baylor were down is referenced. They made quota this year, so they've obviously done it.) But maybe KD won't. In the meantime, they need to be able to recruit without having to live down some whisper campaign that might make pnms think twice about pledging them. The pnms can see the chapter's size for themselves.


eta - yea for Gamma Phi at Puget Sound!

How did this turn from the recruitment results thread into the Be A Bitch thread? This is one of those things that make people laugh hard when "southern hospitality" and "class" get bandied about.

(obvi, not SWTXBelle or AOE2AlphaPhi)

Whew, thanks 33girl - I was about to go "WHAT?".:rolleyes:

Spreading rumors about struggling chapters is a dirty business - it happened to my chapter during FR when I was a PNM going through (thankfully I didn't hear the rumor until after I was initiated) but my chapter is still there and thriving thankyouverymuch! So rumors like that don't mean isht!

Classless and tacky...
 

While I'm a Kappa Delta, I have no idea as to the goings on and status of our Baylor chapter.

However, I will say, that it's classless and tacky to take glee in the downfall of another chapter. It's even more classless to perpetuate rumors such as the ones that have been posted most recently in this thread. Really, what's the point? What does it accomplish?

As 33girl stated above, this is why people laugh at claims of "southern hospitality" and all of the talk about manners and good breeding, etc. Ignorance knows no geographical or socio-economic boundaries.

So here's a question for all you older members; why do they allow quota additions when not all sororities take quota [such as at Puget Sound]? It would seem logical [to me] that the women who did not match high enough on the bid lists of those who made quota have two choices: accept a snap bid from Theta, or be bidless.

It kind of seems that those quota additions just hurt those who are struggling, because there is less incentive for PNMs to maximize their options or consider struggling chapters.

the point of quota additions is to be able to present as many pnms as possible with a bid. the spirit is to benefit the pnms, not so much the sororities. they are given to the pnms who did not match during bid matching, yet who "played the game" and attended the maximum number of parties each round. these pnms are on the bid list of the chapter for whom they become a quota addition, just not high enough to be on first bid list. they are basically next in line on the bid list.

while it might appear to hurt a chapter who did not make quota, it really doesn't(other than giving another sorority one more member). the pnm was not on the quotaless chapters bid list, either because they did not invite her back, or she dropped them. the likelihood of a pnm in that situation accepting a bid from them would be pretty low.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I had to hand over my Green Book to the new alumnae chapter president!), but aren't quota additions limited to a percentage of quota? So, in most cases, you are only talking about a few new members.

And in defense of "southern hospitality" - please note, I'm southern! There are many gracious southern GCers (and, true, many non-southern gracious GCers) .But no area is free from rudeness, tackiness, and petty behavior.
One does expect better from a sorority member, though.

I believe so. I've honestly never seen a sorority at my school get more than 2 (quota is usually 15-20ish every year).

Sorry I have to reply to this not in a malicious way or anything, but just for clarification. Just because we have fewer women absolutely does not mean that we weren't doing just fine already. My chapter has made leaps and bounds since I joined, and we have an AMAZING sisterhood. I commend all the UPS chapters for doing so well this spring despite the fewer number of women going through formal recruitment in the first place. I just wanted to say something because the tone of your final comments was a little negative. However, I do realize that it was probably inadvertent because it's hard to get your exact point across when all you have to work with is text.

Any word from DePauw yet? Bid Day was yesterday.

Good point, Lady Longhorn. :cool:

And to address the issue of rumors and snark - what many collegians and some alumnae do not realize is that we are all in this together. If one chapter struggles, it does impact the others, and not in a good way. Yes, we are competing, but at the end of the day, a thriving Greek system in which all chapters are strong is the best way to ensure that pnms are able to have a home, and that the Greek system will be well-regarded and strong. I'm sure we've all had the experience of hearing a teaser for the news "Sorority in trouble" and said to ourselves, "Oh, please don't let it be my sorority!". But here's the kicker - it doesn't matter . To Joe Blow in the street, all those sororities are the same. Greek letters are Greek letters, and we are all are tarred with the same brush.
Panhellenic spirit isn't (or shouldn't) be just a nice little something that we say once a year at formal recruitment. If you truly embody the ideals and creed of your sorority, I fail to see what part pettiness and snide comments can have in your life. And if you don't - why not spend more time on improving yourself rather than making your GLO look bad. 'Cause arrogance and spite are never pretty.

I'm really sorry if that seemed negative. I didn't mean for my comments to come across that way at all. Most of my best friends are Thetas and I was trying to emphasize how well you ladies did. I agree that it was a great recruitment for all the chapters this semester.

I personally think it's a bigger problem that quota has dropped so much, I remember that it was more in the upper 20's not too long ago (with 5 houses). The fact that we lost a chapter only a couple of years ago AND quota has dropped seem to be a bad trend.

But on the bright side, informal (Fall) results have remained high.

All I know about DePauw is that one of my friends is a new member of Kappa!

Centre College's NPC bid day was yesterday. I heard that all four chapters "did well". (And the four fraternities too!) However, I am not sure what that means number wise.

quota additions are supposed to be a certain percentage of quota-usually no more than 5%, i think.

Play nice ya'll.

Bless your hearts!

Actually there are some new agreements and resolutions about snap bidding and quota additions that were just voted on at the last NPC conference. In fact, there are some files you can download with a great explanation of snap bidding.

http://www.npcwomen.org/college-panh...documents.aspx

That's the old guideline. But campuses that use RFM can go above 5% taking into account pre-recruitment chapter size, PNM preference, chapter preference and other things. NPC passed a new resolution last fall to this effect. Link