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Rudey 07-06-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1676790)
Yeah, I do think "people" care. And I do think the Rockies, Nuggetts, Broncos, Avalanche, Rapids and our other professional teams are associated with the city and its reputation.

Remember, the average person isn't college graduate and probably couldn't name a museum in most cities -- even some who live there -- but they can probably name the local professional team. My comment wasn't an arbitrary pick -- it's my opinion.

I almost always qualify my opinion with "I thinK" or something like that because I'm clearly not laboring under the assumption that I'm perfect.

You can decide who you think makes "ridiculous" comments, and I'll make my own decision as well.

I hear it's a requirement to have a high murder rate to qualify as a major city. The average person isn't a college graduate and understands murder. Murder, I say.

I think, therefore I am.

-Rudey

TexasWSP 07-06-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1676760)
It is generally the case but I don't know enough about hockey and soccer to say that.

The reason it works is that the revenue streams for the luxury boxes usually are tied to the owners and a percentage of the fees from general ticket sales are used to back the bonds for the stadium's construction.

http://www.google.com/search?q=new+s...ri&rls=en&sa=2

I figured I would let you look at the google results if you're really interested.

Unless it's just not publicized when an owner wants a new stadium, I'm not sure I can agree.

There have been plenty of brand new facilities built in all three major sports over the past 5-10 years that I can think of off the top of my head...and I'm not hearing anything about owners wanting an upgrade from any of them.

I will be willing to bet Jerry Jones, for instance, isn't going to be asking for another new stadium in five years after the completion of, most likely, the most luxurious and sophisticated place to watch a sporting event you can get. I can't imagine Cuban asking for a new place for the Mavs to play basketball in anytime soon either. American Airlines is as good as it gets. These are only a couple of examples, but still....

Also, I'm not really seeing many big changes in general seating to luxury box seats and I go to a lot of sporting events in many different places.

DeltAlum 07-06-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1676816)
I hear it's a requirement to have a high murder rate to qualify as a major city. The average person isn't a college graduate and understands murder. Murder, I say.

I think, therefore I am.

-Rudey

To quote another post: "I think you make no sense."

Sometimes the propaganda technique of transference (trying to deflect an argument by bringing up something completely out of context) just doesn't work.

Nice try, though.

KSig RC 07-07-2008 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasWSP (Post 1676867)
Unless it's just not publicized when an owner wants a new stadium, I'm not sure I can agree.

There have been plenty of brand new facilities built in all three major sports over the past 5-10 years that I can think of off the top of my head...and I'm not hearing anything about owners wanting an upgrade from any of them.

I will be willing to bet Jerry Jones, for instance, isn't going to be asking for another new stadium in five years after the completion of, most likely, the most luxurious and sophisticated place to watch a sporting event you can get. I can't imagine Cuban asking for a new place for the Mavs to play basketball in anytime soon either. American Airlines is as good as it gets. These are only a couple of examples, but still....

Also, I'm not really seeing many big changes in general seating to luxury box seats and I go to a lot of sporting events in many different places.

Jerry Jones is a very prominent exception to the rule, as is Cuban - that I'll agree. The fact that they both operate out of Dallas is pretty much luck (for the people of Dallas), and not indicative of the larger trend.

Baseball stadiums are the best examples of the new trend toward smaller stadiums with more luxury seating - PNC in Pittsburgh, for instance, dropped about 10,000 total seats from Three Rivers, but with a much higher concentration of high-dollar, high-revenue luxury boxes. Similar things are happening in the NBA.

Football stadiums don't exactly follow the pattern, mostly because the comparably fewer games played by each team leads to a lot more sellouts (and larger capacity is valued there, mostly to appease population demand). However, luxury seating is still at a premium - the main reason for obsoleting the old Foxboro Stadium so the Pats could build Gillette was that it lacked any sort of premium seating.

The main issue isn't getting rid of regular seats completely, it's a redesign of seating to maximize revenue from luxury boxes. You have to sell a crapload of $19 seats to garner the same revenue as one corporate box.

KSigkid 07-07-2008 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1676987)
Baseball stadiums are the best examples of the new trend toward smaller stadiums with more luxury seating - PNC in Pittsburgh, for instance, dropped about 10,000 total seats from Three Rivers, but with a much higher concentration of high-dollar, high-revenue luxury boxes. Similar things are happening in the NBA.

It's exactly what the Yankees are doing with their new stadium. I'd never heard of it before (dropping regular seating to increase luxury box seating), but that's just probably because I never paid much attention to the details of other new stadiums.

Rudey 07-07-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1676885)
To quote another post: "I think you make no sense."

Sometimes the propaganda technique of transference (trying to deflect an argument by bringing up something completely out of context) just doesn't work.

Nice try, though.

You do realize I'm mimicking you right? My post wasn't supposed to make sense. But I'm glad you got it. You're a sharp one sir.

-Rudey


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