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I am wondering AXiDGirl10, what was the dividing line between probation and sanctioned? Obviously, no one group was totally not involved. I suspect, from what little I know, that National Panhellenic will investigate the situation.
As far as probation or even being sanctioned, that little bit of punishment shouldn't worry these girls as much as when their National organization gets a hold of them. I won't be pretty. There should be no excuses. If this is a school of "maybe joiners" then maybe they don't need to have National Panhellenic groups on their campus |
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AOIIAngel, I didn't read I Heart Recruitment, but maybe it was in a review or summary of it that I read that most schools have 10% "always joiners", 10% "never joiners", and 80% "maybe joiners". The key is winning over the maybe joiners. |
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A strong panhellenic presence will help all of the chapters on campus. Hopefully, activities will be a little more circumspect, dirty rushing will be eliminated and rules will be enforced consistently. Of course, ignorance is never an acceptable excuse for breaking the rules, but rules being broken in such a widespread manner indicates major problems at a much higher level than the individual chapters. I'm staying positive that this campus will make the necessary changes to improve the status of Greek organizations so that the negative stories aren't the only stories heard by the public. |
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe NPC has an investigatory function. The local Panhellenic may, and the university certainly should, conduct an investigation, but to the best of my knowledge the NPC as a body doesn't work like that. The fact that the GLOs are NPC means that the groups have a national headquarters that I am sure is VERY interested in making sure the groups follow the rules from here on out. Were they local groups, that would not be the case. I hope the groups use this as an opportunity to focus on their sisterhood, and to come back from this unfortunate event stronger and more focused on what is really important. |
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1) My campus has NO sorority housing 2) School IS in session during our recruitment (it's hectic but we manage) 3) We DO stay in a hotel, there were 29 (Rho Gammas & Pi Chis) and our fee is only $30 (non-refundable) and we also provide dinners on the nights of recruitment for the Rho Gammas, Pi Chi and the staff that helps us and dinner on pref night for the PNMs as well. Everyone kept assuming that we had housing for some reason... |
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I don't think it's necessary to have the Pi Chis locked up like nuns in a convent during recruitment week. Is dirty rushing really that huge of a problem? Tons of schools have their recruitment counselors live in their normal accomodations (even in their chapter houses if that is where they live) without problems. Back to the original topic, I would be really surprised if the Rho Chis at Towson and any other chapter members honestly had no idea that they were not supposed to be drinking on bid day. I think the problem stems more from the fact that because it was a "tradition" that had gone unpunished in the past, no one (including the Greek advisor) took the NPC Unanimous Agreement seriously until someone got a concussion. I am just wondering why anyone would want to drink on bid day. It's one of the most fun days of the year/semester that one does not need alcohol to enjoy herself. |
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Back in the day (1993) we paid $25 for rush. Each chapter had 3 Rho Chis (11 chapters) plus 1 member of exec. So 44 women to put up in a hotel. Each Rho Chi group was assigned to a room (3 women from different chapters in each group). So figure 14 hotel rooms for 1 week (okay 8 days). Most hotels (especially in a college town during a non-event week) will give you a block of rooms for a lower price. We had about 50 girls per Rho Chi group to start out with, so with each of them paying $25 you have $1250 per group, the hotel cost was about $75 a night for one room- you would need that for 8 days- so your cost is $600 for the week in the hotel. Plus you still have $650 to pay for the exec room, the favor given to all rushees on pref night (a water bottle the year I rushed) and other incidentals. It was completely doable. As for the not drinking on bid day, well it's a good thing they didn't have facebook when I was in college (but at least we waited until AFTER the official stuff was over) |
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I don't know when the rule started prohibiting drinking on Bid Day...we were never told there was a prohibition. Actually, the fraternities used to throw bid night parties to celebrate the event. All of the sorority members would show up in their bid day shirts and party. My bid day was the last year this was allowed, so maybe 1994 was the cut off. Of course, at the time the drinking age in Louisiana was 18 so the problem of underage drinking was not so big in our state. I was only 17 so I guess I broke the law.:p |
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Random, and probably dumb question, but are there any campuses that have the Rho Chis live in other sororities houses? As in, if there were 5 XYZ RhoChis and 5 ABC Rho Chis, the XYZ Rho Chis would live in ABC's house and the ABCs would live in XYZ's house?? I know there are all sorts of logistical problems with that scenario, but I can't say that it would be completely impossible. |
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and the npc rule now is no alcohol or boys. |
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They've got this Towson story on the local news. Talk about bad PR. You think the cameras will show up when the groups do their campus philanthropies?
ETA: Well they did show a brief NPC-wide jeans give-away for those in need ( I guess) of jeans. They also interviewed a Phi Mu sister who stated that GLO members contribute the most service and raise the most money for the community. |
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As for 50 PNMs in a rush group- we had three rush counselors in every group, so that is about 16 PNMs for every Rho Chi/Gamma/ Chi. So we had plenty of personal attention. Plus, since the Rho Chis were staying in hotels, we were given their phone number and we could call them at any time (this was before cell phones). |
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In the olden days, most of the sororities on my campus had a mixer on pledge pickup/bid day - we preferred to have a party as then if the girls had boyfriends or other people they wanted to share the event with them, they could invite them over with no problem. I've always thought it was kind of silly to go straight to a mixer with a bunch of dudes you don't know - I think this was the main reason NPC got rid of it. It took the focus off sisterhood and put it on OMG THAT SIGMA CHI WITH TEH BLUE SHIRT ON IS REALLY CUTE.
But of course, as far as parties or mixers are concerned - all they have to do is wait until the day after Bid Day to hold it. |
Will someone either PM me and give me a synopsis on what is a recruitment counselor or refer me to a link.
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I understand that it's a bad situation. But until I find out more about what actually happened, and based on what I've read so far, I'm supportive of the university's decision. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, NPC has to say about this. |
"If" and I say if this happened then the blame is there for the Advisers and the members, they knew the rules.
If they were in violation then whose fault is it? |
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You know, the more I read about this, the more I think it's just. They knew it was wrong - whether it was tradition or not. Hazing is a tradition in many chapters and schools, yet we all know it's wrong. If we choose to do it, we must be prepared to accept the consequences. These women represent their sorority, and all the sororities deserve to be punished.
Greek Life cannot afford to keep around schools which flaunt the rules like this. It becomes a liability as opposed to a benefit. |
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The reason they got caught this time? They were stupid enough to post pictures of themselves drinking on Bid Night on Facebook. Really now - how dumb can you be? We were always told that any Bid Day activities were to be dry. The rush process is going to be dry. Did people drink? Yes. But we didn't have Facebook to post it on. They were wrong. They know it. They're just pissed they got caught and called out on it. And I'm not just talking about the 5 on probation - I'm talking about all 8, my chapter included. Kudos to Towson for finally having the balls to act. I whole-heartedly support their decisions. |
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Maryland does not provide housing because recruitment (formal and informal) occurs while school is in session. No need for special accommodations..... We also allow recruitment counselors to live in the chapter house - most just use back doors. Our greek housing is so far from freshmen housing, a PNM would have to be extremely stalkerish to figure out where the recruitment counselors lived. |
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I'm sorry, but I have a giant problem giving "kudos" to a school that knew this was going on for years, to the point of people getting rushed to the hospital, and the only reason they used any discipline is because pictures showed up on Facebook. That sounds an awful lot like "do things that might be injurious to yourselves or others, things that are against your national rules, as long as you don't embarrass the school." AOII Angel, I agree w/ everything you said. |
The problem is, even if the school knows its going on, it can be hard to take action until they have tangible proof that it's going on - and what better way than sisters self-incriminating by handing out photos for the world to see? There have been cases where the university has taken action against individuals or even certain chapters, but this if the first time (that I know of) where it has been addressed as a wide-spread problem.
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And for what it's worth, photos can be altered or doctored. I would find them the least credible thing to hang something on, and one of these days that's going to happen - photoshopped photos online expressly to get a group in trouble and the group fights it. |
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Can I ask who exposed these photos? I'm only asking because I find it surprising that actives would have public profiles for anyone to go in and look at their pictures. Especially if it is during recruitment!
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