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macallan25 10-09-2007 11:15 PM

Depends on where the OP is going. Sure it could be a problem.

PrettyBoy 10-10-2007 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takemewitu (Post 1534751)
My problem is beside being a junior, is that I'm Asian.

I don't think your race is the problem at all. Why should it be? I think those members who deny membership to anyone based on race alone have the problem.

SthrnZeta 10-10-2007 09:33 AM

We had a couple Asian girls in my chapter and we referred to one as the "Asian Sensation!" She embraced her nationality but also very much embraced American culture, as she was born and raised in Northern VA. She made fun of herself all the time and it was never an issue that she was "different." She was an awesome collegiate member and now she's a leader in her alum chapter. Of course we all knew she came from different origins than most of us, but it was never an issue...ever. I am proud of my diverse chapter! I think even an all white group would accept you. I'd say the only thing you need to worry about is your Junior standing - but again that depends on the school...

DaemonSeid 10-10-2007 09:40 AM

What is this?

Crouching Rusher, Hidden Intake.....sheesh


If you think your race is keeping you from joing a GLO then maybe you shouldn't join said org...it's only a problem if YOU make it a problem.

SthrnZeta 10-10-2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1535379)
^^ Not trying to be 'sensitive', but I interpreted the OP's statement not as thinking that being Asian was a problem, but wondering if being Asian would be a factor that would cause some groups to drop her. She could have worded it better, but that is what I think she is concerned about.

I just thought this point needed to be reiterated. I think too many people reading too much into the OP's post.

SthrnZeta 10-10-2007 10:37 AM

No GLO is going to care - even if it's an NPHC, I've seen white girls in those orgs. They may "historically" be whatever, but it's all about your beliefs and what's in your heart and if those beliefs match those of the organization you want to join.

starang21 10-10-2007 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1535683)
Crouching Rusher, Hidden Intake.....sheesh

uhhh.....

ladygreek 10-10-2007 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta (Post 1535680)
We had a couple Asian girls in my chapter and we referred to one as the "Asian Sensation!" She embraced her nationality but also very much embraced American culture, as she was born and raised in Northern VA. She made fun of herself all the time and it was never an issue that she was "different." She was an awesome collegiate member and now she's a leader in her alum chapter. Of course we all knew she came from different origins than most of us, but it was never an issue...ever. I am proud of my diverse chapter! I think even an all white group would accept you. I'd say the only thing you need to worry about is your Junior standing - but again that depends on the school...

I don't know but referring to her as the "Asian Sensation" and she feeling the need to make fun of herself says to me that her race was an issue.

Taualumna 10-10-2007 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cutie_cat_4ever (Post 1535429)
Well, I was wondering maybe because given the fact that there aren't that many asian sororities comparing to those historically white or african american sororities. I mean, even the biggest one, aKDPhi, only has roughly less than 50 chapters. So not every single campus can accommodate the OP's needs I guess.

I have a few friends, they are asians, and yet they joined NPCs. Some of them are even the only asian in their sorority. All it matters is your mindset. If you are afraid that being asian will affect your chances, with that mindset, you may end up being "rejected" because you don't feel comfortable about yourself to open up.

It could also be that this young woman is interested in joining a GLO with a "long history," which most Asian ((inter)national) GLOs do not have, unlike D9 groups.

Glitter650 10-10-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1534794)
LOL.


Asian Americans stopped being an ostracized and excluded racial and ethnic minority group years ago.

I think this is a VERY broad generalization.

starang21 10-10-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1535895)
The flip of "problem" is "trophy."

It has always been the case that minority groups have turned their stereotypes upside down and found pride in their group membership. Like the "black pride" movement.

In a smaller context, even whites in the NPHC have used (or allowed others to use) their race as something that makes them "cool" or "different" within that specific setting.

so she IS a sensation because she's asian.

i need to get on that gravy train.

starang21 10-10-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1535897)
but you eat burritos.

so let go of your attempts at being asian.

okay.

i do. from chipotle. that's not real mexican.

<== real mexicipino.

DSTCHAOS 10-10-2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535899)
i do. from chipotle. that's not real mexican.

<== real mexicipino.

as a nonmexican, i feel offended.

DSTCHAOS 10-10-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535898)
so she IS a sensation because she's asian.

i need to get on that gravy train.

you've been milking the asian cow for years now.

how else would you have gotten your job and become an iota?

starang21 10-10-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1535901)
as a nonmexican, i feel offended.

it's all about brown pride.

starang21 10-10-2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1535902)
you've been milking the asian cow for years now.

how else would you have gotten your job and become an iota?

i brought adobo to set and they let me sign up.

i'd have skates, but they don't have ice in the philippines.

i just claim asian so i can get free rice at the flip embassy.

DSTCHAOS 10-10-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535907)
i brought adobo to set and they let me sign up.

i'd have skates, but they don't have ice in the philippines.

i just claim asian so i can get free rice at the flip embassy.


And these jokes can be interpreted by outsiders as you making your "asian-tivity" material for laughter. You and I are friends and we feel comfortable with each other. But this arguably isn't much different from "asian sensation."

;)

starang21 10-10-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1535910)
And these jokes can be interpreted by outsiders as you making your "asian-tivity" material for laughter. You and I are friends and we feel comfortable with each other. But this arguably isn't much different from "asian sensation."

;)

it's all about me and you, babe.

should i break out in song for my love of the beautiful nubian goddess(es)?

what does LG, say? she's has def on all of us.

starang21 10-10-2007 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1535911)

you people are olive.

<== claiming mexican until friday

DSTCHAOS 10-10-2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535913)
it's all about me and you, babe.

should i break out in song for my love of the beautiful nubian goddess(es)?

what does LG, say? she's has def on all of us.

I am not from Nubia. :eek:

Unregistered- 10-10-2007 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535914)
you people are olive.

<== claiming mexican until friday

LOL @ olive.

My father's Japanese/Hawaiian adopted by a Filipino family and my mom is Filipino from the P.I. My skin tone's all kinds of confused. :p

James 10-11-2007 01:19 AM

Thread has been pruned per request. Probably some perfectly benign posts were deleted also. Sorry.

Play nice y'all.

starang21 10-11-2007 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1536194)
Thread has been pruned per request. Probably some perfectly benign posts were deleted also. Sorry.

Play nice y'all.

we were playing nice. geez.

Glitter650 10-11-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1535914)
you people are olive.

<== claiming mexican until friday




well I'm black and white, but people think I LOOK mexican, (or middle eastern) can I claim mexican too ? :)

starang21 10-11-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Glitter650 (Post 1536298)
well I'm black and white, but people think I LOOK mexican, (or middle eastern) can I claim mexican too ? :)

nope, only one perp at a time

AlphaFrog 10-11-2007 11:54 AM

My kids are a nice medium skin tone. WASP+Mexican=Perping whatever you want to.:p:p

Glitter650 10-12-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1536303)
nope, only one perp at a time



DAMN!!,

BUT there's people on here who can vouch for me !! and people just randomly speak spanish to me ALL the time... because of how I look ! :D Guess I'm just not cool enough to be a perp. :(

DSTCHAOS 10-12-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1536194)
Thread has been pruned per request. Probably some perfectly benign posts were deleted also. Sorry.

Play nice y'all.

:rolleyes:

That's lame. If censorship was absolutely necessary, just delete that person's PM that I posted and her post that quoted me. Not the entire back and forth just because it made her shed a tear.

moe.ron 10-13-2007 06:40 AM

What did I miss?

SthrnZeta 10-15-2007 09:25 AM

:rolleyes:

L.O.C.K. 10-17-2007 01:36 AM

This thread has turned into the starang and dstchaos thread. ahahaha.

As for her making fun of herself and being the "Asian Sensation"...I know many Asian Americans would think that role really puts them into a certain category and thus not like it.

However, one person (for anything) does not speak for the group or represent the group, so whatever floats a persons boat.

And btw, APIA Greeks do have some history...

www.pialphaphi.com
www.sigmaomicronpi.com

just a couple...

www.napa-online.org

Taualumna 10-17-2007 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1538452)
This thread has turned into the starang and dstchaos thread. ahahaha.

As for her making fun of herself and being the "Asian Sensation"...I know many Asian Americans would think that role really puts them into a certain category and thus not like it.

However, one person (for anything) does not speak for the group or represent the group, so whatever floats a persons boat.

And btw, APIA Greeks do have some history...

www.pialphaphi.com
www.sigmaomicronpi.com

just a couple...

www.napa-online.org


They have under 15 chapters, unlike (most) D9s, NPCs and IFCs. I guess that makes them more exclusive, but I don't know. Knowing how some Asian parents are, I'm not too sure if your typical parent would go around saying "My son is a Pi Alpha Phi" or "My daughter is a Sigma Omicron Pi" all that much, unless these kids are legacies. People would be "wha???" People are just more familiar with D9s, NPCs and IFCs. If the immigrant family hasn't heard of these GLOs, their neighbours might.

L.O.C.K. 10-19-2007 02:35 AM

Taualumna,
I'm not sure what your point is. Where was I saying parents would go around saying those things or anything related to size and exclusivity?

I was referring to the fact that there are other options out there and that APIA Greeks also have some age.

Taualumna 10-19-2007 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1539277)
Taualumna,
I'm not sure what your point is. Where was I saying parents would go around saying those things or anything related to size and exclusivity?

I was referring to the fact that there are other options out there and that APIA Greeks also have some age.

Nowhere. But the size and exclusivity factor is based on my experience with Asian parents. I live in Toronto, where the Asian communities, particulary Chinese, is HUGE. And pride to which schools and organizations a child joins is HUGE. Just because an organization (or school, for that matter) has been around for over 80 years, doesn't mean that the parents would be proud about it, because, guess what? Mom and Dad have never heard of them. Or if they have, their friends and relatives haven't. That's why so many parents want their kids in the Ivies or other well-known schools. I'm sure that being in a historically Asian fraternity, you would know this.

DSTCHAOS 10-19-2007 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1538452)
This thread has turned into the starang and dstchaos thread. ahahaha.

As for her making fun of herself and being the "Asian Sensation"...I know many Asian Americans would think that role really puts them into a certain category and thus not like it.

*waving* :D

Ch2tf 10-19-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna (Post 1539285)
Nowhere. But the size and exclusivity factor is based on my experience with Asian parents. I live in Toronto, where the Asian communities, particulary Chinese, is HUGE. And pride to which schools and organizations a child joins is HUGE. Just because an organization (or school, for that matter) has been around for over 80 years, doesn't mean that the parents would be proud about it, because, guess what? Mom and Dad have never heard of them. Or if they have, their friends and relatives haven't. That's why so many parents want their kids in the Ivies or other well-known schools. I'm sure that being in a historically Asian fraternity, you would know this.


Unless you are ready for the firestorm that is coming, I would be careful of what you say and how you say it.

DSTCHAOS 10-19-2007 09:44 AM

I'm always humored when people predict firestorms and stuff. :)

So, what's so "firestormy" about what Taualumna posted?

Ch2tf 10-19-2007 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1539321)
I'm always humored when people predict firestorms and stuff. :)

So, what's so "firestormy" about what Taualumna posted?

[QUOTE=Taualumna]
That's why so many parents want their kids in the Ivies or other well-known schools. I'm sure that being in a historically Asian fraternity, you would know this.

To me that statement came off wrong (my interpretation). Why is taualumna so "sure" that L.O.C.K. should "know this" coming from a historically Asian fraternity? In general in her last two statements, imo she seems to be painting Asian/Asian American parents and families as solely interested in status.

In general she still seems to be taking the stance that NPC/IFC/D9 have a monopoly on pride because they are older. And chances are that the "immigrant" family isn't at all aware of any type of GLO, especially not by name, to glean any sort of "pride" from the organization that their child is seeking to join.

DSTCHAOS 10-19-2007 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=Ch2tf;1539472]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taualumna
That's why so many parents want their kids in the Ivies or other well-known schools. I'm sure that being in a historically Asian fraternity, you would know this.

To me that statement came off wrong (my interpretation). Why is taualumna so "sure" that L.O.C.K. should "know this" coming from a historically Asian fraternity? In general in her last two statements, imo she seems to be painting Asian/Asian American parents and families as solely interested in status.

In general she still seems to be taking the stance that NPC/IFC/D9 have a monopoly on pride because they are older. And chances are that the "immigrant" family isn't at all aware of any type of GLO, especially not by name, to glean any sort of "pride" from the organization that their child is seeking to join.

Gotcha. I thought she was speaking in terms of how many Asian parents perceive it and was just appealing to L.O.C.K's knowledge base as a member of an Asian fraternity (perhaps having discussed this before, etc.).

Maybe the assumption is that people equate age of the organization with deep rooted racial and ethnic traditions or something.


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