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MysticCat 09-25-2007 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527513)
Trust me when I say that you aren't sharp enough to have this conversation with me....back off while you still have time.

Trust me when I say that I'm not sure anyone around here is sharp enough to have this conversation with you. I'm not sure Carl Sagan could figure out what you're trying and failing to communicate. I do get the distinct impression, however, that actually figuring it out would in the end be most unsatisfying and hardly worth the effort -- posts full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Drolefille is welcome to give it a try, though.

I did laught at this sentence, however:
Quote:

And I am not the only adding flavor about your lack of intellectual capacity.
Unfortunately, I was laughing at you, not with you.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527532)
Trust me when I say that I'm not sure anyone around here is sharp enough to have this conversation with you. I'm not sure Carl Sagan could figure out what you're trying and failing to communicate. I do get the distinct impression, however, that actually figuring it out would in the end be most unsatisfying and hardly worth the effort -- posts full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Drolefille is welcome to give it a try, though.

I did laught at this sentence, however:
Unfortunately, I was laughing at you, not with you.

and you aren't either...and all you are doing is adding into the noise.

Like I give a rat's ass at what some of you people here laugh at.

Kevin 09-25-2007 11:22 AM

You people?

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1527539)
You people?

so sensitive Kevin.

again....too easy.

ask before you shove another foot down your throat

Drolefille 09-25-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527532)
Trust me when I say that I'm not sure anyone around here is sharp enough to have this conversation with you. I'm not sure Carl Sagan could figure out what you're trying and failing to communicate. I do get the distinct impression, however, that actually figuring it out would in the end be most unsatisfying and hardly worth the effort -- posts full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Drolefille is welcome to give it a try, though.

I did laught at this sentence, however:
Unfortunately, I was laughing at you, not with you.

Sounds like a request!
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527488)
too easy......I will be nice today

SMUG COMMENT SAYING I'M SMARTER WITHOUT ACTUALLY PROVING IT
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527509)
don't be a boob kevin...that's not what I was addressing.

Holocaust....

Which one do you want to discuss?

SENSIBLE CLARIFICATION MARRED BY CHILDISH INSULT.

DELIBERATE OBTUSENESS.
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527513)
Kevin


Trust me when I say that you aren't sharp enough to have this conversation with me....back off while you still have time.


PS....there are MANY museums dedicated to the holocausts pertaining to the victims of all that have occured since this country has been established.

INSULT. IMPLIED THREAT OF IMPENDING DOOM SHOULD OTHER POSTER CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527530)
No I didn't but I wasn't the dumb schmuck that actually had the audacity to ask someone HERE if the holocaust actually existed.

"You don't think the holocaust happened?
yes or no"

Man please....how exactly did you think I was going to answer?

And I am not the only adding flavor about your lack of intellectual capacity.

He probably thought you weren't going to pretend you didn't know which one he was talking about.
INSULT. ANGER AT QUESTION THAT WAS USED TO CLARIFY MISCONCEPTION. RHETORICAL QUESTION THAT ISN'T RHETORICAL SINCE POSTER DIDN'T ANSWER SENSIBLY.
BLAH BLAH INSULT.




Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527534)
and you aren't either...and all you are doing is adding into the noise.

Like I give a rat's ass at what some of you people here laugh at.

INSULT
DECLARATION OF UNCARING DESPITE CONTINUED POSTING
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527543)
so sensitive Kevin.

ATTEMPTED INSULT TO MANHOOD FOLLOWED BY QUICK EDIT:
Quote:

again....too easy.

ask before you shove another foot down your throat
CLAIMS OF SIMPLICITY IN MAKING ARGUMENT FOLLOWED BY FAILURE TO MAKE ANY ARGUMENT

INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL SUPERIORITY FOUND IN INSULT

1908Revelations 09-25-2007 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1526969)
The folks at Jena probably mostly fit into the above-described category as well.

I have a job.
I am in school.
I do community service.

So.....I guess I am an unemployed, uneducated loser as you nearly described:confused:....oh well.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1527550)
Sounds like a request!

SMUG COMMENT SAYING I'M SMARTER WITHOUT ACTUALLY PROVING IT

SENSIBLE CLARIFICATION MARRED BY CHILDISH INSULT.

DELIBERATE OBTUSENESS.


INSULT. IMPLIED THREAT OF IMPENDING DOOM SHOULD OTHER POSTER CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD


He probably thought you weren't going to pretend you didn't know which one he was talking about.
INSULT. ANGER AT QUESTION THAT WAS USED TO CLARIFY MISCONCEPTION. RHETORICAL QUESTION THAT ISN'T RHETORICAL SINCE POSTER DIDN'T ANSWER SENSIBLY.
BLAH BLAH INSULT.





INSULT
DECLARATION OF UNCARING DESPITE CONTINUED POSTING


ATTEMPTED INSULT TO MANHOOD


Translation:

Drolefile has too much time on his hands to worry about what Seid is saying by trying to creatively summarize each and every last post of Seid's in his hopes that Seid will go away.

I hope Kevin is paying you well for wasting your time, buttboy.

MysticCat 09-25-2007 11:44 AM

I swear, Drolefille, you're just like Dr. Bombay -- we call "emergency" and you "come right away."

And I was right -- nothing there worth considering.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527557)
I swear, Drolefille, you're just like Dr. Bombay -- we call "emergency" and you "come right away."

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/bombay/bombaybanner.jpg

And I was right -- nothing there worth considering.

Translation -

"I am part of the peanut gallery"

MysticCat 09-25-2007 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527556)
Translation:

Drolefile has too much time on his hands to worry about what Seid is saying by trying to creatively summarize each and every last post of Seid's in his hopes that Seid will go away.

I hope Kevin is paying you well for wasting your time, buttboy.

Newsflash, Mr. "I'm too smart for this thread": Drolefille is a "she." It's French -- drole fille = funny girl/daughter.

Don't flatter yourself; no one is "worrying" about what you're saying.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527560)
Newsflash, Mr. I'm too smart for this thread: Drolefille is a "she." It's French -- drole fille = funny girl.

Don't flatter yourself; no one is "worrying" about what you're saying.

she he it them....what difference does it make.


I doubt if Drole cries due to the error...hell as far as I know it may not have been the first time someone has mistaken her for a man...

ask if Seid cares.

you don't worry but ya keep posting....hahahahahah

Kevin 09-25-2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1527553)
I have a job.
I am in school.
I do community service.

So.....I guess I am an unemployed, uneducated loser as you nearly described:confused:....oh well.

There's an exception to every rule. :)

KSig RC 09-25-2007 12:03 PM

Daemon -

I actually like your posts on matters that aren't this close to you, because of your general irreverence, and you only really get hyper-defensive and inarticulate in this sort of emotionally charged thread so you're all good in my opinion . . . that said, if you would like to prove your intelligence, I will play you heads-up in any of the following games for any amount of money:

-Scrabble
-Trivial Pursuit (any edition except the esoteric ones, like Star Wars or the 80s or whatever)
-Boggle
-any derivation of poker or any standard card game with a standard wager, except bidding games (bridge)
-Stratego, Risk or similar
-Similar games can be negotiated for price and acceptibility

I would guess that MysticCat will take this same deal. I would also give you 10% give-back on your wager, meaning I will put up 10:9 on your dollars. Please accept, or stop stooping to Earp-ian levels of ninnying insults of intelligence that really don't add anything. Ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments suck, and add nothing to the conversation.

Win, and make all of them you'd like, dude.

GOGOGOOGOGOGOGGOGOOGO

Drolefille 09-25-2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527556)
Translation:

Drolefile has too much time on his hands to worry about what Seid is saying by trying to creatively summarize each and every last post of Seid's in his hopes that Seid will go away.

I hope Kevin is paying you well for wasting your time, buttboy.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I just enjoy what I do. Totally didn't notice you calling me a male at first. Je suis trés amusé. If you included more content in your posts people really wouldn't need translations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527557)
I swear, Drolefille, you're just like Dr. Bombay -- we call "emergency" and you "come right away."

And I was right -- nothing there worth considering.

I do try.
Indeed, little to no content.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527558)
Translation -

"I am part of the peanut gallery"

Translation - You're not as special as I am.
Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527560)
Newsflash, Mr. "I'm too smart for this thread": Drolefille is a "she." It's French -- drole fille = funny girl/daughter.

Don't flatter yourself; no one is "worrying" about what you're saying.

Why thank you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527561)
she he it them....what difference does it make.

Well, one has a vagina, one has a penis, one is an inanimate object (or self-designates as androgynous) and the last is multiple people.

Quote:

I doubt if Drole cries due to the error...hell as far as I know it may not have been the first time someone has mistaken her for a man...
Oooh burn. Or not.

Quote:

ask if Seid cares.

you don't worry but ya keep posting....hahahahahah
Yeah, or not.

I enjoy what I do. :D

1908Revelations 09-25-2007 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1527565)
There's an exception to every rule. :)

Thanks Kev....I was going to put you on my list:p

AlexMack 09-25-2007 12:48 PM

Protesting is a waste of time and nothing has ever been accomplished by it. Now cut your hair and go get a job ya good for nothing layabout hippy!

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527557)
I swear, Drolefille, you're just like Dr. Bombay -- we call "emergency" and you "come right away."



Let me translate this one for you....

**AHEM**

"Drole....help....Seid and Kevin are at it again and you know that Kevin's snarky attitude skills suck so please come in and provide needed backup and be really super creative because you know that we can't and maybe that will make that awful Daemonseid person leave him alone, meanwhile I will sit back and play cheerleader for you guys. We will pay you in Scooby snacks!"

Is that close?

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1527572)
Daemon -

I actually like your posts on matters that aren't this close to you, because of your general irreverence, and you only really get hyper-defensive and inarticulate in this sort of emotionally charged thread so you're all good in my opinion . . . that said, if you would like to prove your intelligence, I will play you heads-up in any of the following games for any amount of money:

-Scrabble
-Trivial Pursuit (any edition except the esoteric ones, like Star Wars or the 80s or whatever)
-Boggle
-any derivation of poker or any standard card game with a standard wager, except bidding games (bridge)
-Stratego, Risk or similar
-Similar games can be negotiated for price and acceptibility

I would guess that MysticCat will take this same deal. I would also give you 10% give-back on your wager, meaning I will put up 10:9 on your dollars. Please accept, or stop stooping to Earp-ian levels of ninnying insults of intelligence that really don't add anything. Ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments suck, and add nothing to the conversation.

Win, and make all of them you'd like, dude.

GOGOGOOGOGOGOGGOGOOGO


Sig no offense...but...

Guess what...

I don't need to prove shyt to you.


Especially if you want to call my posting "inarticulate" because you fail to see relevance.

I have a funny feeling you know what I am saying...but....

That's not my problem.


Any BTW..I'm not angry and don't let my heat make you believe as such...anger would be walking a mudhole thru one of you right now and since none of you come off as capable from here to push me to physical violence consider the matter over my 'emotional' state....irrelevant.

Drole you can translate that BTW

Drolefille 09-25-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527610)
Let me translate this one for you....

**AHEM**

"Drole....help....Seid and Kevin are at it again and you know that Kevin's snarky attitude skills suck so please come in and provide needed backup and be really super creative because you know that we can't and maybe that will make that awful Daemonseid person leave him alone, meanwhile I will sit back and play cheerleader for you guys. We will pay you in Scooby snacks!"

Is that close?

Alas, no. There's a reason you don't do this on a regular basis. I don't agree with Kevin, but you're not really providing much in the way of counter arguments. You're to intent at trying to show your superiority by belittling him, and others apparently, to actually do so by making well thought out, reasoned, arguments. MysticCat came to the same conclusion pre-translation.

By the way, nice dog reference. Woof Woof I'm a dog right? Just like I'm a man, baby. You're so witty.

Hint: No one will take you seriously if you can't express yourself effectively. You say you don't care, but you clearly desperately do.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527611)
Sig no offense...but...

Guess what...
I don't need to prove shyt to you.

Aw, I guess compliments aren't ok for you either.
If you want to say shit, why don't you just say it. SHIT. See? Easy. The "i" key is located above and to the left of the "k" key.

Sugar08 09-25-2007 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1527475)
did anyone else have a hard time following the speech?

i don't know if it was a case of many things truly being lost in the translation, or just rambling thoughts. i had a similar experience understanding(or not) and following the speech of a muslim cleric who had been invited to speak at my church several years ago.

the main thing i took away from his speech(the iranian president) was that no matter what he was saying, it always circled back to him-he seems to be the center of his universe; he is an academic, he is interested in further research concerning the Holocaust, he has been insulted.

Good observation. From what I hear, he's somewhat egotistical (go figure :rolleyes:) ... so it makes sense.

I really enjoyed the opportunity to hear him in his own words (sorta). Far too often we get a watered-down version of what's being said, or simply get told that the man is a maniac or "evil." I think he was pretty interesting. (Also, pretty bold to come to the U.S. where he's been completely demonized.)

MysticCat 09-25-2007 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1527572)
I would guess that MysticCat will take this same deal.

Please deal me in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527561)
she he it them....what difference does it make.

Saturday nights are lonely for you, huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527610)
Let me translate this one for you....

**AHEM**

"Drole....help....Seid and Kevin are at it again and you know that Kevin's snarky attitude skills suck so please come in and provide needed backup and be really super creative because you know that we can't and maybe that will make that awful Daemonseid person leave him alone, meanwhile I will sit back and play cheerleader for you guys. We will pay you in Scooby snacks!"

Is that close?

Not even in the same hemisphere.

You're making the fundamental mistake of thinking I'm still taking you seriously, or that Kevin or anybody else needs back-up to be protected from your rapier wit or your superior intellect. KSig is right -- you've had lots of good stuff to say many times, but in this and a few other threads lately, what you seem to think are stunning retorts are at best playground comebacks that everybody except Pee Wee Herman left behind in 6th grade and are at worst incomprehensible.

Maybe you've got some insight to offer here, but if so, you're burying it under all the garbage.

Sugar08 09-25-2007 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexMack (Post 1527607)
Protesting is a waste of time and nothing has ever been accomplished by it. Now cut your hair and go get a job ya good for nothing layabout hippy!

LOL! I tend to think protesting had it's day, but it's not as significant anymore.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527637)
Please deal me in.

Saturday nights are lonely for you, huh?

Not even in the same hemisphere.

You're making the fundamental mistake of thinking I'm still taking you seriously, or that Kevin or anybody else needs back-up to be protected from your rapier wit or your superior intellect. KSig is right -- you've had lots of good stuff to say many times, but in this and a few other threads lately, what you seem to think are stunning retorts are at best playground comebacks that everybody except Pee Wee Herman left behind in 6th grade and are at worst incomprehensible.

Maybe you've got some insight to offer here, but if so, you're burying it under all the garbage.

well take the garbage and yourself out please.... 'preciate it peanutshelll

Drolefille 09-25-2007 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527639)
well take the garbage and yourself out please.... 'preciate it peanutshelll

NOT SO WITTY RETORT

/I've considered it a standing invitation at this point.
//He called your posts the garbage... so did you just ask him to remove you?

MysticCat 09-25-2007 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527633)
Good observation. From what I hear, he's somewhat egotistical (go figure :rolleyes:) ... so it makes sense.

I really enjoyed the opportunity to hear him in his own words (sorta). Far too often we get a watered-down version of what's being said, or simply get told that the man is a maniac or "evil." I think he was pretty interesting. (Also, pretty bold to come to the U.S. where he's been completely demonized.)

I think you're right. I think as far as he's concerned, it is all about him, including coming to the US. He can show all the true believers back home how he came into the heart of the Great Satan and stood his ground.

I swear, when I was listening to him, I was reminded of a much scarier version of somebody like Rush Limbaugh. Not that I think Limbaugh is a crazy anti-American or supports terrorism or anything like that -- I want to be clear on that -- but there was that sense of "I'm right, nobody can convince me otherwise, and anyone who doesn't agree with me is evil, stupid or deluded." The true believers eat that stuff up.

KSig RC 09-25-2007 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1527611)
Sig no offense...but...

Guess what...

I don't need to prove shyt to you.

Of course you don't, man - that was the whole point of my post!

Stop with the ridiculous personal attacks, because there's no way to back them up, and they detract from your point. If it's the greatest "zinger" in the world, it still doesn't invalidate another's point on its own - you have to prove your side.

You can't do that through insults, or taunting, or name-calling, or simply saying others don't understand. At some point, everyone else not understanding should indicate a problem with either the message or the messenger - it's Occam's Razor, and it should be a rule we all live by.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1527651)
Of course you don't, man - that was the whole point of my post!

Stop with the ridiculous personal attacks, because there's no way to back them up, and they detract from your point. If it's the greatest "zinger" in the world, it still doesn't invalidate another's point on its own - you have to prove your side.

You can't do that through insults, or taunting, or name-calling, or simply saying others don't understand. At some point, everyone else not understanding should indicate a problem with either the message or the messenger - it's Occam's Razor, and it should be a rule we all live by.

I tell you what...you start...and If I like where you are going...I will go with you

Drolefille 09-25-2007 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1527649)
I think you're right. I think as far as he's concerned, it is all about him, including coming to the US. He can show all the true believers back home how he came into the heart of the Great Satan and stood his ground.

I swear, when I was listening to him, I was reminded of a much scarier version of somebody like Rush Limbaugh. Not that I think Limbaugh is a crazy anti-American or supports terrorism or anything like that -- I want to be clear on that -- but there was that sense of "I'm right, nobody can convince me otherwise, and anyone who doesn't agree with me is evil, stupid or deluded." The true believers eat that stuff up.

I saw an article that put it like this: instead of us talking about freedom of speech in Iran, we're debating freedom of speech in America... and that's what he wanted.

His responses on the Holocaust (that if it's real then why can't it stand up to alternate research) and homosexuals (we don't have them in Iran) were just pathetic, but you know they won't come off that way to those who hear it in Iran (edited to leave out the intro I'm sure)

Kevin 09-25-2007 01:38 PM

^ Yeah, that's why I think Columbia made the correct decision to have this guy over. Allowing students to ask him questions regarding homosexuality in Iran, the holocaust, etc., helps us to see that he's not the sympathetic figure some would want him to be. It would be hard to conclude based on those few minutes of dialog that Mahmud (not even going to attempt his last name) is anything more than your garden variety religious zealot.

He is essentially the Muslim version of what we would have today if this country had elected Pat Robertson as Commander in Chief.

Rudey 09-25-2007 01:54 PM

He didn't answer any of the questions.

And he and his country are involved in the daily murder of Americans as well as many others. Beyond denying the Holocaust, he's advocated mass genocide and is now about to be the proud owner of a nuclear bomb.

The only person that's any scarier in this world is N. Korea's Kim Jong Il.

-Rudey
--Enough talk about lawyers and their salaries, I have you all beat ;)

Sugar08 09-25-2007 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1527673)
He didn't answer any of the questions.

And he and his country are involved in the daily murder of Americans as well as many others. Beyond denying the Holocaust, he's advocated mass genocide and is now about to be the proud owner of a nuclear bomb.

When did he advocate mass genocide? Excuse my ignorance.

Drolefille 09-25-2007 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527691)
When did he advocate mass genocide? Excuse my ignorance.

He wants to wipe Israel off the map. I think in this speech he limited it to "Politically wiping them off the map" By elections. No one needs to die.


Right. That'll happen.

Rudey 09-25-2007 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527691)
When did he advocate mass genocide? Excuse my ignorance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6181029.stm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={3C5833AB-CD3F-462F-874C-580756020566}

I mean, listen, basically it's really hard to get people in Europe to agree with Bush on anything. Somehow they are all freaked out by him and Iran.

And in regards to gays, if anyone wants to know, there are gays in Iran but they have wives/families. It's what you do in Muslim countries I guess. But being completely gay is asking for death, although they're willing to pay for you to get your gender changed.

-Rudey

DSTCHAOS 09-25-2007 02:51 PM

He shouldn't have been invited to speak. Free speech on AMERICAN soil doesn't apply to terrorists and known supporters of terrorism. This goes to how I feel about any noncitizen who comes here, when you're HERE you will be treated as a human being but not necessarily given the same citizenship rights as citizens receive or given a platform to speak. Just like how Americans are often treated when we go to OTHER countries, especially Americans who are accused of tormenting or encouraging the torment of the citizens of other countries.

The president of Columbia is a cowardly moron. He waits until he's introducing the speaker to make negative remarks that will appease his critics.

Iran doesn't have gay people, everyone. Announcement.

Why did it seem like almost every news analyst on Fox News an alum of Columbia University?

Sugar08 09-25-2007 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudey (Post 1527704)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6181029.stm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={3C5833AB-CD3F-462F-874C-580756020566}

I mean, listen, basically it's really hard to get people in Europe to agree with Bush on anything. Somehow they are all freaked out by him and Iran.

And in regards to gays, if anyone wants to know, there are gays in Iran but they have wives/families. It's what you do in Muslim countries I guess. But being completely gay is asking for death, although they're willing to pay for you to get your gender changed.

-Rudey

Thanks for the link.

Rudey 09-25-2007 03:00 PM

These guys were there yesterday: http://www.tfp.org/

I swear this was by far the scariest thing on Columbia's campus.

-Rudey

DSTCHAOS 09-25-2007 03:03 PM

The body language analyst on my fav show, The O'Reilly Factor, said that the president of Iran was trying to look powerful and assertive through his hand gestures. But he was rather nervous based on how much he kept licking his lips. So much for sexy LL Cool J. :)

It is interesting that he received laughter when he talked about gays in Iran but applause when he said something to the effect of "when we invite you to speak in Iran, we form opinions after you have spoken, not beforehand..." Basically attempting to fuel the debate on American free speech. Booooo.

Sugar08 09-25-2007 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1527725)
He shouldn't have been invited to speak. Free speech on AMERICAN soil doesn't apply to terrorists and known supporters of terrorism. This goes to how I feel about any noncitizen who comes here, when you're HERE you will be treated as a human being but not necessarily given the same citizenship rights as citizens receive or given a platform to speak.

I generally agree with you on this. BUT I think that because of the power this man wields, and the fact that our current (and probably next) campaign is being fought in the vicinity of Iran (and will probably be fought IN Iran), giving him a platform to speak was not only necessary, it was the right thing to do. He's not just some faceless terrorist you see on Al-Jazeera spitting vitriol.

And anyway, he only confirmed the negative opinions of many of the posters here, and I'd wager, most American citizens.

DaemonSeid 09-25-2007 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527736)
I generally agree with you on this. BUT I think that because of the power this man wields, and the fact that our current (and probably next) campaign is being fought in the vicinity of Iran (and will probably be fought IN Iran), giving him a platform to speak was not only necessary, it was the right thing to do. He's not just some faceless terrorist you see on Al-Jazeera spitting vitriol.

And anyway, he only confirmed the negative opinions of many of the posters here, and I'd wager, most American citizens.

See the enemy now before he goes into hiding with Bin Ladin.

DSTCHAOS 09-25-2007 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1527736)
He's not just some faceless terrorist you see on Al-Jazeera spitting vitriol.

Which is why he should not have been invited. We know who Bin Laden is, too, if we could find him should he be invited to the White House for tea? Keep your enemies close to you but don't sit at the dinner table with them.

Giving him the platform wasn't necessary and it wasn't smart. And people are pretending that Columbia Univ did it for some greater cause. They did it to solidify their status as a liberal University, with far left tendencies depending on the issue, and consistent intolerance for Conservatives. All under the guise of intellectual development of the student body.

Hell, the ROTC isn't allowed on campus and The Minute Men were THREATENED and basically chased off campus. Columbia is full of it and I agree with the alum who are withdrawing their financial support.


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