This topic wasn't intended to be a debate.

I'm going to have to agree with SAE1955 and bucutie02 on this one. While the Texas/Cali women comment was out of line, he apologized for it, so its time to let it go. As for the rest of his comments, we may not all agree with them but there is nothing inherently wrong with them. If you don't want to hear someone's honest opinion about something, you probably shouldn't ask for it. As for whether or not SAE1955 is gaining friends by stating his (solicited) opinions - I think the people bashing him may risk losing friends for being close-minded. I don't mean to sound harsh and I still genuinely like all the people on this board but, as it has been stated on the "Posting" thread, there is no need to be so defensive or sarcastic in our replies. Just my personal opinion http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Turtlegirl (edited April 26, 2001).]

I agree with SAE's right to express his opinion. I after all went into the Texas thread and made it known about my many poor experiences there.

However, I would say he did make a blanket false statement and that is about Califronians being blonde. First, I find it ironic, because many people have commented on how all Texans are blondes, but SAE says himself that you will see races in California that you never thought existed. That's true and as I have said before, California is the most diverse state, if not place in the world (another falsity, IMO, California is not narrow-minded, we are much more accepting of these different races than so many other places in this country, especially the South...and I do say this from experience)! If you think carefully, you know that no race, except caucasians, are blonde. Africans, Asians, Latinos, etc. are not naturally blonde and even if some lighten their hair, it still does not qualify as blonde, nor does it look like typical "blonde."

Anyway, California blonde is mostly a myth, due to our great diversity and racial integration. And, you will never find so much beauty as in a place where people are so unique and so mixed. I've seen the most fascinatingly beatiful people that are part Irish, part Brazilian or half African, half Thai (like Tiger Woods!). California totally nurtures this uniqueness and isn't suspicious of it like some Southern places I have been where I was given wide distances and looked at strangely by whites...maybe because I was walking with a black person...

I am a Californian. I am brunette. But that's not what bothered me about SAE's post, as that is an accepted and humorous stereotype.


"Narrow Minded" I can assure you that the people of California are amongst the LEAST narrow minded in the country. Anything goes here, everything is accepted here-- and yes, sometimes that makes for chaos-the type of chaos that might make a proud Texan feel like they've landed on a strange and bizarre planet. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif but we all have free will when it comes to choosing where we live, and if California is not the place for SAE, he'll move. Or, like others, he may find that his dislike turns to affection. Happens to alot of people, in Los Angeles especially.

Hmmm...interesting...so this is what went on when I was gone?

OK...well...prepare yourself, this reply is gonna be long. First off, SAE...yeah, you might think that those who are opposing your view are sensitive or whatnot...but let me tell you, Carrot and Bubbles are not even from California, and they are already displeased with your post...so that should tell you something.

OK...so you say that California doesn't have that down-home, friendly atmostphere...let me ask you something....WHERE in Los Angeles have you been?! I'm not from Los Angeles...I was born and raised in lovely San Francisco, CA, but I have dear family in LA whom I visit quite often, and many times I stay there for a long time. For example, last summer I went down to LA and stayed there for a month. Yeah, LA is fast-paced, and people are always on the go. But I have received nothing from respect from Los Angelans (I'm sorry, is that a word? I know that I'm referred to as a San Franciscan, but I don't know what LA people are referred to). All the people in LA, whom I have encountered/seen/observed are all courteous, fun-loving, and friendly. Maybe you mistake the fast-paced, on-the-go lifestyle as rude, but really...you don't think the people in California are nice? As I said, I'm from SF...and there are a lot of tourists who come here. They always refer to California as one of the "nicest spots in the world" with "the nicest people in the world." Also, there have been numerous polls NATIONWIDE asking which people are the nicest nationwide. California has always made the top ten...the Bay Area I think was last mentioned as Number Three...

So are you inferring that Californians do not have pride in their state? C'mon...as evident here, we Californians LOVE and BLEED California. Where have you seen evidence that we Californians are not proud of our homestate?

As to what you said about "breathing clean air and seeing stars"...well, it's true that SoCal has a lot of smog and pollution...BUT that's true of almost every big, metropolitan city in the nation. If you were to go into the suburbs, or near the ocean...you would find pristine air. Also, there's nothing more beautiful than staring at ALL the lovely stars on a summer night in California. Yes, that's right...I said in CA. SAE, I have lived in CA all of my life and there's nothing more beautiful than staring at tons of stars at night. It might have to do with the fact that I live near the ocean...which is why the air that i breathe is clean as can be. I think you just haven't looked too hard to find what you are criticizing.

OK...and about your comment about girls all being/wanting to be blonde...now THAT is what I'm pissed off about. Yeah, I'm sensitive...but let me tell you, as a girl born and raised in California...there could be nothing FARTHER from the truth, SAE. If you actually opened your eyes wider(and yes I mean that!), if you actually tried to accept new things, you would see that your comment about tons of blondes is WAY OFF. Again, I have been to so many different parts of Cali...in my own Bay Area, up to Mount Shasta, up to Tahoe, up to Redding, down to the Central Coast, to SoCal...there are, as you said, SO many different ethnicities out here in California. California and Hawaii are known as the greatest melting pots in the whole wide world. I see people of all different looks--from platinum blonde to raven black, to purple, to green, and all shades in between. I see people with black eyes, with blue eyes. I see people from the lightest skins to the darkest skins. And you mean to tell me that the girls in CA all want to be blonde or are blonde? HELLO! Just open your eyes one day. You would see that what you said is the farthest from the truth. Do you actually think that we all want to be blondes??????????!!!!!!!!! Please quit generalizing...most Californians are very proud of their ethnicities and what they were born with. I myself still have the raven black hair I was born with. And if some want to go bottle-blond, well then...more power to them!!! Just don't generalize and say that if you're not already blonde, you wanna be blonde. So...TELL ME...how many ppl do you know wanna be blonde? Actually, as someone else said, Texas is thought to be the state with all the blondes. However, that's probably a stereotype...

And hell yeah that there would be killer real estate costs and traffic! There is a reason for that you know...b/c people in California choose to live with that, in order to be able to live in this amazing state! I have to agree, sometimes I question my family for staying in rocket-high-priced Cali, but I love it that they still do! My heart will always remain in Cali...hopefuly I will never have to leave this state!

Ha...and your post about the TX girls being hotter...what the heck is that? Stop judging, and open your eyes SAE...Cali is known as having the most beautiful girls...but I guess it varies from opinon to opinion. TX girls are ALSO known as having beautiful girls. I know it's yuour right to say this, BUT this thread started by Bubbles was in NO WAY intended to be a debate about Texas vs. California. NOR was it a debate about whether Texas girls were hotter than California girls. You really did not have to voice your opinon about the appearances of Cali women vs. Texas women. bubbles is asking about the state of California, not the appearance of the women there. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif I'm getting into this b/c I love my state...and I want to prove you wrong. I did not want to say anything about Texas...but I feel like I have the need to address your post.

California is simply beautiful...there's a rolling ocean minutes away, skiing some hours away, valleys, suburbs, crazy/fun urban life, awesome shopping, home of Hollywood, a mixture of every ethnicitiy, tolerant...

I just think it's funny that you decided to post all the great things about Texas in this CALIFORNIA Thread. There is already a thread for that, you know. We weren't takling about TX vs. CA until you and some other person came on here...we wanted to talk about California alone. If you criticize California...that's fine. But no need to mix in intentionally rude comments.

And just to add...we Californians are thought to be one of the most open-minded, tolerant people out there...I don't think defending CA is close-minded, we are defending CA b/c we do not feel that some of your points were necessary! If you were to compare us generally to the South, the Midwest...well, we are very different sometimes. Honestly...if you take a look at the gay, bi, lesbian, and transgender community, for exmaple...not many choose to live in the South, mostly b/c they are more traditional there. And there are good and bad points to being traditional...but many of those community flock to CA b/c of our open-mindedness. How many G, B, L, and T do you know, may I ask? I honestly don't think that you've allowed yourself to enjoy the California expereicne...b/c if you truly DID live in CA for three years...you would see we are one of the most tolerant ppl out there today...

I'm not saying CA is perfect (look at the energy crisis for heaven's sake!), but I have pride in my state and I felt I had the need to address your opinions. What I'm trying to say is, what you criticized about CA in your post...you can almost find all those (friendly, clean air) if you chose to look hard enough.

[This message has been edited by newbie (edited April 27, 2001).]

Well I'm happy to see a lot of you sticking up for your state. Thats good. What I say is strictly from personal experience, obviously its not gonna be the precedent, but its what I have encountered. I'll try not to be narrow minded about things, I'm sure there are a lot of things in this area that I haven't even experienced. When I talk about the people I speak from personal experience. Everyone missed the comment that I made about the people being narrow minded. I wasn't referring to gays, minorities etc...I was talking about the way everyone thinks in general...about the rest of the country, about other people outside their state. There were a few comments I should have not made but overall it was an opinion about what I have seen and experienced. Everyone has different likes and dislikes...so you do whatever you like which will make you happy

Sunshine, sunrays and sunbeams...

Cali, hands down kicks ass on the weather in the contiguous United States...

I lived in Atlanta for 4 years. And if y'all cain't tell my ethnic group by now, then oh well... But, if you know about the dirty-dirty and how numerous the kinds of men I like live in the ATL--you'd think, "why the hell did I leave to go back to Southern California???"

Let's just say I have a "thing" for Jimmy Z's and Zogg's Sex Wax... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

And everybody "blondes" out their hair!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif I'm thinking about doing that, but I have to go to Las Vegas to get it done properly... Besides, California has annexed Nevada's Tahoe, Las Vegas and all of western Arizona (El Centro and Yuma--just want the beach front when the big one hits). Moreover, Baja is California, too!!!

And the one coolest thing out here, you can be friends with anybody and it doesn't matter who you hangout with. Anybody is your friend... And it doesn't matter if you don't know the language, eventually the they teach you. Spanish is the State Language with Chinese coming in 2nd in NoCal... English, is that really a language, dude? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif And having friends from places is just waaaay cool... Unless you're a groupie wannabe in LA, then, you don't have friends, you have associates or business partners--but never friends. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I am one of the few, the brave, the proud, the Native Californians. I have been throughout, except Eureka--but then, I think I've been there, too when I was very little http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Well, I've seen Boulevard, California. And if you know where that is, then you are truly a native!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Other "real" natives know about "localmotion" and "billabongs"...

Victorville and Walnut Creek, California. No really, the McDonald's at Barstow...

The Old 395 freeway

Norco, CA

The Aquaduct and Hoover Dam

Cal State Stanislausis(sp.)--No actually, Cal State LA--cuz everybody knows about USC and UCLA... But there's a CSU in LA... Not Long Beach or Dominguez Hills--but LA!!!

Who Harvey Mudd was and St. Mary's and Mills College

TaylorMade.

Great America and Magic Mountain have better rollercoasters.

Disneyland--whatever--but great place to work...

Forget Del Taco, Taquitos are the bomb!!! The really "muy caliente" sauce--or the El Gordo's...

Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles...

Taking the Harbor Freeway, rather than 405 to get through LA...

Never get in traffic in the Bay Area, it sucks.

Ghiradelli's, the best chocolate!!!

Get your perscription drugs in Chinatown or Tijuana...

Rosarito and Ensenada

When that hotel was called the Bonaventure...

The CHiP's...

Hybertech, Genetech--all of Silicon Valley...

Rolling blackouts!!!! FUN!!! Hooray!!! I am looking forward to it for summer!!! You guys ready???

HAAAY!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

Dudes and dudedettes!!! Like, they just bigtime BANNED ALCOHOL on ALL of MISSION/PACIFIC BEACH IN SAN DIEGO!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif Which totally sucks!!! So we have to swim in the Imperial Beach Sewage or did the city council ban alcohol on La Jolla Shores or Windansea?

Besides, Torrey Pines upto Newport Beach have better beaches... Trestles, dude... Yeah, Malibu and Santa Monica is okay, but LA has those off shore oil drills...