naw..hagrid was still teaching according to the epilogue.

I borrowed these spoilers from BetteDavisEyes from the Harry Potter Speculation thread (I didn't want to re-print them in case some of you are still reading the book, and have not yet read them. Highlight to read) These were on the mark, except for one I think. Where did you get these from???

Dark Lord Ascending
-another first chapter that is not Harry's point of view
-very dark
-first death

In Memoriam
-back to Harry's point of view
-Dumbledore's past
-Rita Skeeter appears here. Apparently, Harry is not pleased.

The Dursleys Departing
-The Dursley's leave Privet Drive

The Seven Potters
-Harry, Ron, and Hermione are reunited
-Death Eater attack
-another death
-very intense

Fallen Warrior
-another death
-one person loses a body part
-scenes afterwards set in the Burrow
-Apparently, Harry gets drunk. (And I'm not pleased.) - I don't think Harry was drunk here. He had some firewhisky, and not used to something so strong, I think it caught him off guard, but I wouldn't say he was drunk.
-tells what happened with Ollivander

The Ghoul in Pajamas
-general plan discussion all around
-Hermione is scary

The Will of Albus Dumbledore
-Harry's birthday! Ron gives him a funny gift.
-Minister of Magic is back
-Lupin is acting off

The Wedding
-Weasley relatives, Luna's father, and Krum all make appearances
-Krum argues with Luna's father over the symbol
-Dumbledore's past again, which is not pleasant
-Kingsley makes an appearence with some bad news.

A Place to Hide
-Harry, Ron, and Hermione leave the Burrow, and run into Death Eaters
-Hermione gets hit on by drunkards
-They go to Grimmauld Place

Kreacher's Tale
-Harry finds a letter from his mother saying disturbing things about Dumbledore
-R.A.B. is Sirius's brother (everyone knew that, lol)
-lots of complex stuff on Horcruxes

The Bribe
-setting is Grimmauld Place
-Harry has sent Kreacher on an errand
-Kreacher seems to be getting friendlier
-Lupin is still acting off, and states something extremely surprising
-Trio find out who has the locket, and they are shocked.

Magic is Might
-Trio plan to get the locket from the ministry

The Muggle-born Registration Commission
-Umbridge
-persecution

The Thief
-Trio leave Grimmauld Place and Kreacher
-Trio stays in the woods.
-Harry sees through mind-link that Voldemort is not in the country, and is looking for a stolen object that has something to do with wands.

The Goblin's Revenge
-Ron does something weird.

Godric's Hollow
Bathilda's Secret
The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore
The Silver Doe
Xenophilius Lovegood
The Tale of the Three Brothers
-Trio goes to see Luna's dad
-He tells them a wizarding fairy story about three objects
-They are called the Deathly Hallows
The Deathly Hallows
-Harry follows lead of DH story instead of Horocrux stuff (WTF for me?)
-He becomes stupidly obsessed over it, kind of like how he was over Malfoy in HBP
-Makes a huge mistake and gets the trio "captured"
Malfoy Manor
-A couple of people have died, one important
-Someone else is being kept in the manor
-Someone else dies
-The trio is tortured for info
-Dobby helps them escape
-Another someone else dies
The Wandmaker
Shell Cottage
Gringotts
The Final Hiding Place
The Missing Mirror
The Lost Diadem
The Sacking of Severus Snape
The Battle of Hogwarts
The Elder Wand
The Prince's Tale
The Forest Again
King's Cross
The Flaw in the Plan
Epilogue

Wow. Just WOW!

Some of my predictions were spot on, more were way off. But WOW.

I re-read the last 3 chapter about 3 times. So well done. And I see now what JKR was referring to when she said in an interview that when she has been asked if she believes in God and has answered "yes," she has been glad no one has pressed her further because she thought that would give too much of the ending away.
That was good, but I thought this was even funnier:
I went back and checked, and apparently that statement was from an interview in 1999, before the publication of POA. The speculation I have seen is that she was referring to Voldemort's mother, Merope Gaunt. Alternatively, it is quite possible that that's a plot point she decided to drop later on.

I think she meant that Hagrid was the one who got the reprieve, and Tonks and Lupin were the ones whom she hadn't originally planned to kill. But as soon as they made Harry Teddy's godfather, things didn't look good.

Mrs Weasley cursing at Bella during their duel I thought was funny....kinda gave me an impression of (for those that remember) Ripley facing off with the alien in the mech suit.

I thought that it was a great book overall, althought I would've liked it if she said what happened to the Dursleys and to Hermione's parents at the end.

I agree that I would have liked to know about the Dursleys.

As for Hermione's parents, I fugured she did tell us -- when Hermione was explaining about sending her parents to Australia, she talked about how she'd undo it all and they'd come home if everything turned out okay.

What I am hoping for is that this is THE END and she won't sell the intellectual properties over to someone who will create more books and spinoffs...for instance...when the Star Wars franchise was revived in the early 90s with the newe books...it was cool..but now 15 years later, they have killed off major characters and have storylines that just make me say....enough please...if anything...if Rowlings does do anymore writing..would be something like a compedium similar to what the Lord of the Rings has to kind of round out everything.

I wanna know if anyone killed at the last battle became school ghosts

I really hope she does write more stories, but as much as I love HP, I don't want her to write anymore HP adventures. She's ended the series, and I am happy with the way things ended. If this wasn't the end, then I would love for her to keep writing HP books.

Sorry, when I looked back at what I typed I can see where I was unclear--

I think I figured out which person got the reprieve and which two where the unexpected deaths (Hagrid, Tonks/Lupin).

I meant to say Hagrid got the reprieve since at first it seemed he was a goner after having chased the spiders and
Tonks and Lupin were the two unexpected deaths although there was foreshadowing that they were going to die (when Harry thought to himself that he was being as reckless as Sirius.) That'll teach me to be on my computer too late :-)

icelandelf, that makes perfect sense now - and I'm as guilty as you are of being on the computer too late! I think if I read your other post before 5 in the morning I might have understood it :)

Ahh i lovelovelove harry potter :]
i don't even have the 7th book yet though :[
but i know who dies and all the details cause my friend told me!! haha.

i also still haven't seen the 5th movie yet and it upsets me cause i am freaking DYING to see it!! i heard its amazing

I was liking to think James' middle name was Fred.;)

Harry had 2 sons, so the middle names of the eiter of the boys could easily be Fred and Sirius.

It's okay :D I've been so excited about this book for the last week that after my all night readathon, I'm now up all night (mostly on the computer) and can't get going during the day. It's no wonder I'm incoherent!

Actually Albus' middle name is Severus - named for the two greatest headmasters at Hogwarts. James' middle name is still left to be determined.

I think the name of Rose followed after Harry's mom and aunt - Rose, Lily, Petunia, etc.

When HP named his son "Albus Severus" after the two greatest headmasters, that is when I became teary eyed. The idea of such forgiveness and understanding in the face of Snape's temperment toward HP and realizing all these many years Snape had loved HP's mother was a real act of honoring his memory.

I thought Rose was Hermonine and Ron's daughter. Harry and Ginny Potter's daughter is named Lilly.

I don't remember! LOL It still could be that it followed along the same lines. I could see James Sirius as being the full name of the other son.

So who's now re-reading their copy? I'm about halfway through my second reading. My boyfriend just looked at me and went, "I thought you finished it?"
Me: "I did. It was so good I'm reading it over again so I can take in the smaller details this time."

I'm so excited, I'm getting the UK adult version (with the slytherin locket on the cover). I also realized what Harry is reaching for on the cover of the US version.

For me, rereading will have to wait (unfortunately :()...I've put off the work I was planning on doing this summer long enough, and I have a test in less than two weeks that I haven't started studying for :eek:

All in all, though....I LOVED the book! My mom couldn't believe that I finished it as fast as I did :)

My fiancee said the same thing to me also about re-reading the book a second time.

So what do you think is happening on the US cover? My mom and I talked about it, but really had no idea.

It appears to me to be Harry and Voldemort in their final duel in the Great Hall. (The bewitched ceiling is showing the dawn outside, and in the background you can see the people standing around and watching.) I assume Harry is reaching to catch the Elder Wand.

I have to say the only thing that took me out of the book was when Harry became godfather to Lupin and Tonks' kid. I KNEW then that they were goners.

I too am on my second reading. It's better.

This book was wonderful. It couldn't have ended any other way. I hope she never sells the rights, although I do hope she continues to write.

Although I must say it would be interesting to read a book about Albus Severus...

Just finished the book about an hour ago (got it on Saturday morning). JK really did outdo herself this time. The only thing was that I started bawling and I told my roommate (who hasn't read the book yet, she is re-reading book 6) that if I'm crying this hard at the book the movie is going to be gut-wrenching. Can you imagine the score that Hans Zimmer will do? Eek!


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Okay, maybe I'm just having a blonde moment but who the heck was the person that JK said would come into their power late in life? I seriously don't have a clue who it was. What chapter did it occur it? At first I thought it was Molly, but she came from a wizarding family because while the Weasley's weren't well off, they were Pureblood.


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I loved the memories that Snape gave to Harry at his death. I literally was bawling. I was like OMG he loved Lily and he actually did want to protect Harry it's just that he (Harry) reminded him so much of James and James was an ass. I also loved how Harry named his son after Snape, it was another of thos "aww" moments for me. I thought it was interesting that Petunia wanted to go to Hogwarts to the point that she wrote to Dumbledore to try to get in.

I was happy to discover the pact between Snape and Dumbledore. I always thought that Snape wasn't evil and that there was a reason that DD called him there on the night he died.

I was shocked with the amount of characters that died (that we actually "knew" of); Mad-eye, Tonks, Lupin, Fred, Snape, Dobby, Bellatrix and even Hedwig and of course Voldemort (which we knew as coming). I had a feeling that one of the Weasley's would die. I was sad when Tonks and Lupin died, especially since they basically did the same as Lily and James, putting their lives on the line to save their son. I got my first tears when Dobby died, LOL.

I thought it was interesting that Draco was saved by Harry & Co. twice, even that Draco seemed to be "nice" to them 19 years later.

I could go on and on, but I shall stop for now :D

My guess is that the person who comes into power late in life would be Neville Longbottom, although I'm really not sure about that one either.

It was fantastic. I could not have envisioned a better conclusion to the story of Harry Potter. I would love to read a story about their children. But, I'm holding out for her to write Hogwarts: A History.

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I had the exact same thought about Neville. Early in the series didn't he worry that he was a squib?

I cried from the first chapter to the very end. I really really wanted to know what happened to the Dursley's and if Harry's relationship with them ever improved. I secretly hoped in the Epilogue that Dudley would show up with his own kid being sent to Hogwarts! That would make Mummy proud!!! :p

In case you didn't realize, the entire thread has a spoiler warning so if someone gets email alerts because they subscribed to the thread they have either a) already read the book, or b)haven't but don't care about knowing what's going to happen. Basically making the posts difficult to read (which if you hit quote you can see it plain as day) isn't necessary.

As Beryana noted, the title of this thread says "Spoilers Abound," so no need to hide the spoilers. I noted this in a post yesterday, but I went back and checked, and JKR made the statement that one person would do magic late in life an interview in 1999, before the publication of POA. She never said it would happen in the last book. I think people just assumed it would be in the last book.

The speculation I have seen is that she was referring to Voldemort's mother, Merope Gaunt, who couldn't do magic until her father and brother were gone and were no longer squelching her.

Alternatively, it is quite possible that this was a plot point she decided to drop in the 7 years between making the statement and finishing the writing.

Things I would have liked to have seen / found out:

- Did harry finish school

- Of those killed in the battle, did any of them ever become Hogwatrs ghosts (what are the requirements anyways?)

- What kinds of jobs did they take upon finishing (Did Harry become an Auror?)

- What became of Azkaban and the dementors?

- Did goblin / human relations improve?

- I am still a bit confused about the sword ... if Griphook took it back in the Gringotts battle...how did Neville get it? Unless...they made the switch....

- who raised Lupin and Tonk's son

- Did Snape get a frame in the headmaster's room? I could only imagine what would have been said if Harry ever had a chance to communicate with Snape in that manner

- And as much darkness that was in him, how was Voldemort's body disposed of?

My thoughts........

Does anyone else find it ironic that Harry and Voldemort are distantly related (both coming from the Peverell brothers)?

In the epilogue, Teddy Lupin was snogging Victoire (which I'm assuming is Bill and Fleur's child). Victoire means victory in French...my guess is that the wizarding world had a baby boom 9 months after Voldemort's downfall ;).

Questions I still have:

Who leaked the info about Harry's departure from the Dursley's to Snape? I know Dumbledore told him, but how did Dumbledore's portrait know?

I too would like to know what happened to the Dursleys.

Who is headmaster at Hogwarts and what does Harry do for a living?

Nigellus maybe....possible they were still using Grimmauld place and then don't forget Prof. McGonagall was still headmistress at the time too....

OK, I gotta say something here. James definitely acted like an ass to Snape, but if we were all judged by our nature in adolescence, we'd be in trouble. Don't get me wrong- I like Snape and he was a good guy for the (most) part (let's not forget that the only reason he protected Harry was so his mother didn't die in vain and he was a Death Eater). James did a lot of great things for the Order and I'm sure he simmered down once he matured.

as Dumbledore said....he wonders if they sort too early

Neville pulled it out of the sorting hat. I don't know how he got it, but I know he pulled it out of the hat like Harry did in the chamber of secrets.

I was a little confused by that as well, but I had to leave it at "he pulled it out of a hat." As we have been reminded, "Help will always be given to those at Hogwarts who ask."

I, too would have liked to have been told about whether Harry, Ron and Hermione went back to school and what they and Ginny now do for a living. I assume Tonks' mom raised Teddy -- that's who he was with during the battle. And I also assume that Snape's portrait is indeed in the Headmistress's office (for I think McGonagall became Headmistress -- would have liked to know if she was still living when Albus left for Hogwarts).

And I don't think anyone told Dumbeldore about Harry's departure necessarily. Dumbledore saw that coming a year earlier. He would have had discussions with other members of the Order about it before he died.

DUH!! THE SORTING HAT!!!!!!!....so I wonder if they gave that sword back a 2nd time....lol

I figured that Godric's sword coming out of the hat was just proof that it was tied to him and his legacy and not to the goblins, simply because they made it. The goblin definitely took the sword, but it returned to GOdric's heirs in their time of need. And to Neville! Oh I was soooo happy reading about him and how he finally came into his own. I always loved the character.

To be fair, I can't think of anything in the book I wasn't happy or excited to read about (even hte deaths were completely understandable and meaningful, if sad).

I do wish the epilogue had more detail- to be honest I was kind of puzzled by it- I KNOW that JK has in her head far, far more detail about these characters than she has ever shared in the books. She has to know what these characters are doing in 19 years. Why wouldn't she tell us? Is there going to be another book?

Things that made me go hmm....

She has said that there may be an encyclopedia or compendium-type book for charity that includes all of the things she had in her notes but didn't work into the books. Other than that possibility, she has said she has no plans to write anything more about Harry Potter.

Maybe it's because I just woke up, but rude much.

And yes, since this post was directed to me, I did take offense to it.


I'm not frickin stupid, I did see that the thread said spoilers but I also know that people on this frickin forum bitch, moan, whine and complain when they stupidly read something even though it says "spoilers" all over it. So pardon me for actually "warning" those people to stop reading :rolleyes: I was trying to be considerate to those people who still read threads like these and then as I said "bitch, moan, whine and complain" because they have been "spoiled". I guess I was being too nice.

De-lurking to throw in my two knuts...

While I laughed at Molly's outburst and subsequent fight with Bellatrix, I think I laughed more when Dumbledore revealed that Snape had to kill him and Snape's response was "What? Now? or should I give you time to write your epitaph?" Or something to that effect. (Maybe I was just exhausted.)

Chapters I definitely have to re-read for clarity:
Chapter 13 - the Ministry mission
Bathlida's secret (I went cross eyed trying to read it and keep the facts straight)
And the last couple o' chapters. Especially Harry's monologue and whole "who's the Elder Wand's true owner," etc.

I thought the epilogue was all Velveeta cheese... but I was left with similar questions as pp have mentioned. (Jobs, did they finish, who's in charge, etc.) Did anyone get ages from the children? (Lily was underage, James was older, Albus is 11... didn't catch the other 2 children.) Maybe she did this to put all of the crazy H/Hr and R/Hr and H/G shippers at ease. ;)

Wasn't their something about Lily's hand at charms being really important... wasn't that a clue before this book came out? Or was that plot point nixed?

And how the HELL are they going to make this a movie? The small plot points were important. Especially, how are they going to bring back Dobby after not seeing him since the 2nd movie? Spoiler: (Only to kill him again.)

Maybe I'm the only one that thought Deathly Hollows was a location...

A small part of me would have gotten a kick out of Krecher with the fake locket saying "My Precious..." but that's just me. LOL.