Cheap doesn't have anything to do with it...I dont know too many people that have 600 bones they wanna spend like that right now...LOL

It's almost like the PS3...the most expensive gadget that's nice to look at but no one wants to rationalize spending money for!

2 things to note
 

i've been one of those guys following the news on the iphone since about 2 to 2.5 years ago when rumors starting springing, and then last year when the patent issued on the multisensor touch, and then last year when I first saw the microsoft surface inventor promo-ing his thing, I knew it was here....I simply do not have the money for it now, but I went to play with it today and it is gorgeous. The internet connection (which is the primary reason I'd want it) is slow, even with a decent wifi hotspot, but i still think it's worth it and come october i'll have one for sure (giving myself some time to work).

2. talking about hi-def media & porn....I find the statement ironic because the porn industry actually has a tendency to set the standard for which format is chosen. The porn industry decided to go with VHS, and shortly thereafter Beta tanked. While I was at CES (Consumer Electronics Show) this year, the porn show is the same weekend, and Sony gave a big "screw you" to the porn industry, saying that they were not going to allow pornography to be used with blu ray......when we heard that, we all said....Sony just shot itself in the foot.....incidentally, Blockbuster announced this week that it was going to host hd-dvd exclusively (i think owned by Toshiba, but don't quote me), rather than Blu-ray.....

Umm no it's not just a different version of HD-DVD. Don't talk about things you don't understand. The two products offer different advantages over each other, namely price vs. capacity.

And the real reason DVD is being killed is not just because of the HD issue but more because of the encryption/copyright issues that are floating. It's the reason why no upconverting DVD player plays copyrighted movies through composite connections but through HDMI. BR and HD-DVD have much more complex encryption schemes.

And stop spouting BS about the porn industry.

-Rudey

Why bash it if you don't understand it?

It works on AT&T edge which downloads at 25kbps, and some people even have commented that EDGE got a recent speed boost. It was designed to lock into wifi signals because the fact of the matter is that usually you can find a signal everywhere you go and because wifi uses much less energy and isn't a battery drain like 3G. On top of that 3G is expensive. Nobody pays for the service because of that expense. When it comes out in Europe they say it may link to the 3G networks because costs are lower there. So the speed thing is BS. It works great at loading internet pages.

And I'm not understand the 6 clicks thing. Making calls was really easy from my playing with it.

The only thing that's negative right now to me is the storage capacity. Nothing is perfect, but there are tons of positive reviews about it such as the one in the NYTimes and most people agree it's a great product.

-Rudey

Nope... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19289649/

here are the early reviews:

http://tech.yahoo.com/pr/apple-iphon...one/1994619212

The capacity issue is what has me hung up. If they're able to have 60GB iPods at about that same size, I don't see what's keeping them from doing it now other than the fact that they want to be able to sell us something later as an upgrade.

As for the WiFi being everywhere, Rudey, maybe in larger cities. While it's pretty much everywhere in downtown OKC, where I live, that's not a very large area at all. I'd assume most mid-size cities like OKC are similar in that regard.

The monthly cost thing would be about the same for me. Do you get to keep your rollover minutes in an iPhone plan?

I dont think they get rollover....

Why wouldn't they? My BB is AT&T and mine roll-over.
- Unless they figure the people who run out and get iphones the day they come out have too much disposable income in the first place and really wouldn't mind not getting the roll-over minutes.

u are correct:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

bwhahaha i saw this old guy with a sony walkman (the old school, yellow and grey "sport" ones) in the airport last week. he was amazing - rocking out to something drinking coffee. hell, he mightve been listening to sports radio.


with that logic, will people who get iPhone later on eventually get rollover minutes? if the product is as big a hit as the iPod (and maybe not cause there are already similar products out there), there were future generations, and potentially cheaper and more affordable for the masses (well the target market masses). so... do i get rollover minutes if i buy an iPhone, say, a year from now? 2 years? hmm...

still.....600 dollars for a f**king phone............

Are you going to be walking around downtown OKC and watching a feature length movie on your iphone? Not likely because most people don't use it to watch long videos, most people don't need heavy bandwidth while walking around and usually screw around with something like that in the office. And really if OKC is not technologically advanced I see no point in complaining that someone hasn't made a technologically advanced phone for the 2 people that might demand one.

-Rudey

I've seen more reviews and analyses on it than you have, I'm sure so I don't know why you just posted that link to amateur reviews. By the way here's the first review response on there "Nothing will come close to it in the next 4 years".

If you don't have the money for this phone that's fine. Most people don't have that kind of cash laying around and it's scary to think you'd be at a club and lose an expensive phone just like that. But it seems like you're out on an anti-iphone crusade.

-Rudey

I don't know.. I could definitely see myself watching the news or something at lunch, or doing something to keep me occupied when I'm early for a meeting or something.

Yeah.. I could explain what the holdup on that is, but no one but me cares :)

The internet companies are very protective of their duopoly. We'll just leave it at that. Muni wifi has been on the table for some time now. I imagine it's going to stay that way.

What intrigues me the most about iPhone is how open the software might be? I'm wanting an easy to use cell phone that I can get to sync with my firm's telephones. Everyone has PDA's, but most still print their schedule off of the docketing software and carry around paper calendars with them. Technology 'round these parts is a hard sale. That has nothing to do with the city and everything to do with the way lawyers are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM

very funny...

Rudey....you so so far off it's a shame...it's merely a LINK....get it...an unofficial l.i.n.k. and I hope you aren't missing one...otherwise instead of wasting space feel free to post ur own links or keep it quiet...and my response to:

"I've seen more reviews and analyses on it than you have,"

ummm......SO? AND? you want a cookie? I have some oreos if that will make u feel better.

I neither hate the iPhone nor covet one....

The only thing scary about the iPhone is the PRICE...so let's think on that...WHY IN H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS would you take it to a club unless you trying to show off ....so whose dumbness is it IF YOU LOSE IT?

speaking of software and 'opening'....and I think that was the youtuble link that just posted a moment a go...there are people who opening these phones to analyze what's under the hood already....wow...I hope they didnt void thier warrenty and if so...it was worth it.

Here's a link for you: http://www.shutthefuckupyourebeingst...uythephone.com

-Rudey

You'd probably watch "the news" in an office with wifi as opposed to walking around the street hoping there's wifi. Plus if you did watch "the news" you'd drain the battery in a second.

Not sure what you mean by open software. The software for other platforms is much more developed if that's what you're looking for...

-Rudey

I would say two years because thats when ATT's exclusive contract with Apple ends. When you have T-mobile, Sprint, ETC all carrying iphones you will start seeing service pricing wars, especially since they will all be playing catch-up to ATT.

The #1 reason why I wouldn't get an IPhone:

AT&T service

if you got help posting that...fire your agent....


I got a better one for u

www.ucanteither.net

They're fine unless you actually have to talk to them. I've been on AT&T now for several years and they are far superior to what I had before (Sprint).

They don't offer Verizon in OKC, so I have no experience with that, but I've heard bad things. Also, they have proprietary phones with proprietary software which disables a lot of the phone's functionality.

July 5, 2007 10:13 AM PDT
iPhone hack enables wireless without AT&T
Posted by Robert Vamosi
Norwegian researcher Jon Lech Johansen, aka DVD Jon, has found a way to activate the iPhone via Windows without subscribing to an AT&T wireless plan. After using the hack, some Internet features, such as YouTube, may still not work. What you do get is use of the wide-screen iPod and Internet access through the Safari browser.


http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-973...?tag=cnetfd.mt


also...more info on the battery replacement plan:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19627590/

Okay, so it's been 2 months since the last post. . .
 

. . . and I want to know if anyone has since the beginning of this thread purchased an iPhone, especially since the prices have dropped. I must admit, I reallyreally want one, and since I didn't upgrade 3 months ago, may get the 4g one if there are any available at my local store.

Are your views still the same?

I have friends that have it. I don't have it, nor want it, and def don't like AT&T, so I would never. They like it, but are mad that the price dropped so much AFTER they bought it...

I was at the Apple store yesterday (getting the new iPod Touch)I saw at least 3 people who want the iPhone but weren't interested in the AT&T carrier. I heard some say that they like what it could do but didn't want to break thier contracts. One guy was upset because he thought that it was 16GB of memory on it and had it confused with the iPod touch (which looks almost exactly like the phone)

So...I would say...if you want the features w/o the phone (get it?) get the Touch...otherwise...get the phone and grit your teeth.

I swear, I think I'm the only person on the planet that's okay with AT&T's service. Well, let me say it this way: I was very pleased with Cingular, so we'll see what happens and just how much this will change now that they're AT&T. I remember when AT&T was "absorbed", so to speak, by Cingular several years ago, and many people weren't happy at all, because they swore that they had better service with AT&T than they did when they were forced to go with Cingular. But I've had Cingular for 7 and a half years now and have not had any problems.

I'm totally with you on that. I've had a few dropped calls with Cingular/ATT, but who hasn't. I get service everywhere I go except for one corner in my office and a 1/10 mile stretch on I-26.

I have the iPhone. I got the 4GB when they lowered the price a couple of weeks ago. Since I've been covered up with lots of recruitment stuff, I haven't had tons of time to play with it. But I use Mac and have always used Mac, so I love syncing things up between my laptop and phone. I haven't been bothered by some of the reported grievances - 6 steps to make a phone call or whatever. I guess I'll forever lose that extra second of my life, but that's ok.

My brother got one when they first came out at the high price. Apple offered him a "refund" in credit at the Apple store. Which is just fine with him since we use their stuff. He rolled the credit toward a new computer!

I was so upset during MacWorld when a 16Gb iPhone wasn't announced. I thought for sure it would happen. I am carrying around a miserable motorolla L2 phone and a 2nd generation iPod (when they had buttons) and I'm already on AT&T since they bought Cingular.....and I'm just waiting for an iPhone with a useable amount (16Gb) of storage capacity to come out & maybe exchange support too. Hopefully soon since so many people were let down by MacWorld (despite Time Capsule being the most amazing thing ever).

I'm thinking of getting an iPhone when my tax rebate comes in. How are ya'll who use the phone liking it? Pros/cons?

I had an iPhone and loved it for personal use......hated it for work. Got a Blackberry Curve and it is far better for what I have to do work wise. Getting emails, among other things, was much more convenient.

I bought an iPhone a few weeks ago with my tax refund. I like it and have no problems with it so far. I don't need it for work or anything like that. I just bought it to spoil myself and I like having an iPod. The map on the phone has definitely come in handy a few times already.

Too bad you got rid of your iPhone. Today it officially got Microsoft Exchange support, ability to be remotely wiped & other sercurity improvements (making it truly work friendly), AIM, and a number of other major improvements. Won't be available for a bit still, but is going to be amazing. Also, Apple said developers could give it VOIP capabilities, which for Touch users essentially turns it into an iPhone.

There simply aren't 5 reasons not to get an iPhone.