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And am I understanding it correctly that the university you're attending next year has recalculated your HS gpa (I'm assuming so it's on a universal scale as opposed to whatever system your HS used), it's not a collegiate GPA? Because if you're telling the Panhellenic that your "university" GPA (the recalculated one, but it's still from HS) is 2.5, they may be giving you the wrong cutoff. ETA, so I started this reply like 30 mins ago and then had to do real work, so I've said pretty much the same thing as about 337 other people. |
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I'd also say that if you were a legacy, you might be given special consideration despite your low GPA, but even with great recommendations you probably wouldn't make the GPA cut. But hey, if you want to spend the money going through recruitment, why not go ahead & do so? You'll meet lots of new people & get an idea of what each sorority is like! Maybe you can do COB in the second semester once your first semester GPA is posted? |
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Really if you want to be Greek, you have a couple of options: 1. Go through this year, be honest, cross your fingers, get all your other ducks in a row like recs, etc, and hope for the best, but know that we don't think it looks good. 2. Wait until you can earn some college grades, and then go through either COB/COR if your campus has it. 3. Wait until you can earn some college grades and then go through formal next year. Personally, I'd recommend the third option because I think that if you make good grades it will give you the best shot at the most groups. Be aware that recruitment can be harder as a sophomore. But, IMO, the same groups that would COB/COR this year, would probably take sophomores in formal and some of the groups who can't COB/COR because the met quota and are at total (they are bigger and likely perceived as "more desirable*" groups) may also take a few sophomores next fall. But I will mention something else that will sound bad but may have some truth: some groups are financially elitist. Your having to work will indicate to some groups that you aren't from the same kind of family background that they want in pnms. Not all groups are this way, but some are. So, when you explain that you have lower grades because you worked, you could be further hurting your chances. And before everyone jumps all over me, my chapter was not one of these chapters, but you're probably delusional if you say that no SEC chapters are this way. * and again, not more desirable to me, but if they were perceived as so freaking desirable to all 1000 girls who went through recruitment, would they be COB/CORing? Notice I said "perceived as desirable." |
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ETA: I didn't mean anything in contrast to the Drolefille post. I'm not in favor of "outing" folks; since you listed them all, I never saw the problem. I agree that we shouldn't try to narrow it down any further than the PNM wants us too. She said SEC; you listed all the SEC. |
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JessSigKap, reasonable people can disagree about this, and I've given the "take a chance, what could it hurt" position with many girls who were choosing between a less that perfect recruitment experience and not going through at all. So I'm not busting on your comment here, but. . . I found SEC rush to be a pretty punishing experience, and my rush wasn't even that bad considering what I know now about going through before my third year with mediocre grades only knowing girls in four groups before rush (but it was a long time ago). The stamina needed for the mentally draining task of enthusiastically and seemingly authentically having virtually identical small talk conversations from sun up to sun down, coupled, let's be honest for most people, with invite lists reflecting open rejection from at least some groups does not equal an experience I'd recommend to anyone who didn't have a reasonable expectation of joining a group who had any other hope of getting a bid later. Even if you go in with an "I'll see what a happens; I'm just here to make friends" attitude, the experience itself makes you crazy. To do it knowing that the results are going to likely stink is something I would only recommend to someone that I either disliked or thought was already insane. But others might disagree. One more thing is that I suspect that going through formal more than one time in itself may cause red flags to go up at some groups. |
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I had a similar question about high school gpa requirements for incoming freshmen during recruitment. Do chapters make exceptions if you are below the minimum gpa requirement.
My daughter will be attending University of North Texas and wants to rush but I am afraid her gpa is too low. On her hs transcript, gpa is listed at 81.75 but she held several leadership postions and was editor in chief of her high school newspaper. All of the chapter websites I have visited for her school seem to require a 3.0 HS gpa requirement. She also has a very outgoing and personable personality attributed to her active theatre background, and has a best friend that is an active member of the sorority she wants to receive a bid from. Will any of this make a difference or is she wasting her time and needs to focus on grades. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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But in answer to the question...some sororities can take what they call "grade risks", but others cannot. Note: Can =/= will. |
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This may be because by the time I was on the chapter side of recruitment, it was so rare to attend UGA with below our national minimum that we never had to think about it. |
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I'm also confused as to the 81.75 grade point... is this a different system of GPA calculation or was this a typo? |
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Someone call Drolefille in here...she's good at that kind of stuff. |
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I'm assuming you weren't using percentages so how did you figure 3.27? :) |
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Using cross-multiplication 100X=327 (81.75*4) X=3.27 From a less mathematical standpoint, I thought *most* institutions used the standard 90-100 is in the A range (or 3.5 to 4.0); 80-89 is in the B range (or 3.0 to 3.5) etc. Again, I'm certainly not positive about this, this is just what I've assumed based on my individual experience applying to colleges and law school. |
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92-100 A 82-91 B 72-81 C etc. 81.75 would be a C by those standards. |
Hmmm, I guess what I considered standard really isn't standard at all. :o
Sounds like bette07 should contact the Greek Life Office at North Texas and find out what method is used for grade conversion to determine her daughter's eligibility for recruitment. |
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A=90 to 100 B=80 to 89 C=70 to 79 In our school district, a 81.75 would be a B- with an average of an 80 - 83 being a B- and an average of an 84 to an 86 translating to a B average, and 87 to an 89 translating to a B+ average. If a 3.0 gpa requirement is a B average she would probably still be below the minimum requirement. |
What the someone will actually have to do is using the whole transcript and grading scale, go back and create a GPA unless the sororities already have a percentage grade cut offs they can use.
Although using the ratios makes total mathematical sense, I don't think people do it that way because the grades (A,B etc) that yielded that 81 have a wide variety of possible ranges. (This was kind of a big deal in Georgia recently because of our HOPE scholarship. It was intended for B students and at first that meant giving kids who had 80 or above averages in high school the scholarship, but last year we converted over to actually requiring a 3.0. Consider that a kid who had half 85s and half 75s in a system where 70-79 was a C and 80-89 was a B would have an 80 average, but a 2.5 GPA.) |
Bottom line: if your GPA is lower than the min required by the collegiate chapter (a number that is usually a bit higher than their national org's required min), you likely don't have a chance. There are plenty of other women with the grades. Yes, they can take grade risks (women who meet the national min, but not the local min), but they usually won't-- they don't have to.
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Where you stand relative to the other PNMs might matter more than narrowing being over the minimum unless there is something that somehow offsets your grades, like being a Bush twin (and by using that as my hypothetical, I'm not suggesting that either Bush twin failed to be an excellent student who was a well qualified recruitment guest in her own right. I just mean, unfortunately being an editor for the high school paper, might not be enough, although I certainly hope in this case that it is.) |
I contacted the Greek Life office at UNT. They said on a 100 scale they would require an 85 average. But went on to say don't let the grade thing scare you off and still thinks my daughter should go through recruitment with her average, and that they look at others things besides grades such as personality, extracurriculars and leadership positions and understand that sometimes students have a tough time in high school. And also, they had a 95% recruitment last year.
I am not sure if this is the norm or not but just thought I would pass on the information I received. |
I'm not saying she won't be considered by the chapters, but she will receive some automatic cuts in the early rounds due to her grades.
UNT has an excellent Greek System; it is not as cut-throat and competitive as some of the other TX schools, but grades are still a priority. Best of luck to your daughter. |
She can certainly go through recruitment - and if she is cut early, drop out and work on her grades before she goes through again. Good luck - hope it all works out for your daughter.
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Before you decide to just "drop out" if you are not exicted about your options still left during the week, check and see what the rules are about you going through spring rush, snap bidding, etc. This could help your decision. Also, going through recruitment as a soph. in an sec school is BRUTAL!!
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Can you actually ask them what the placement rate was for girls with your daughter's average? Do they track that level of information? I'm just a little nervous because I've never heard of a greek life office ever discouraging a person from going through recruitment, so I don't know how much you can rely on their encouragement as a truly good sign. (For example, they always don't tell people directly that not being a freshman can hurt you, but at some schools where they omit this info. it does.) |
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(At some schools, re-rushing in formal isn't as easy as it might seem, but so much just depends on the campus.) |
Thanks so much for all of the replies and well wishes for my daughter. I am new to the sorority thing so any info I can get is extremely helpful. I think she will still go through with recruitment but we don't have any high hopes or expectations. In fact, my daughter wanted to take the first year and concentrate on her grades before "rushing" and try it her second year but now wants to join her friends during recruitment. Of course, the college education and making good grades is the top priority but belonging to a sorority (is a close second) where you can make lifelong friendships and where scholarship/grades/service are a top priority would only be beneficial for my daughter and I think help see her through her college years.
I really don't know if this matters in the scheme of things but in addition to being editor in chief her senior year she was also President of her HS audition only theatre production company and was a member all three years of high school. She has also been involved with every play production during high school and has won several UIL awards for acting. She has also been an "extra" for the fox show "Prison Break" and for a series on the Lifetime Network and was also voted Most Talented by her senior class. She also volunteers alot of time at our local church working in the childrens ministry. Again, I don't know if all this matters but hope it might make a small difference. Thanks again for all the support. I will keep you updated on what happens. Recruitment week is August 21st. |
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