And you might not identify as a transvestite, but all that means is wearing clothing designed for the other gender. Hence what you are doing is transvestism

All hail the Bro!!!

Well, the thing is, all those people I call freaks are freaks. They are blatantly open cross dressers who wish they were women. They try to grow breasts naturally, they wear just about every kind of women's clothing/garments, and even have a female name for themselves. And just about all of them have female names as their online message board screen names(example: Michelle777).

Myself? I just like bras. That's it. I have no desire to grow breasts, or wear any other women's clothing/garments other than bras. I don't want to be a woman. I just like bras, and if you were to see me I would be completely normal looking guy unless you knew I had a bra on. But these cross dressers take what I do and take it to extremes that I would kill myself rather than doing.

But isn't a bra a gateway garment?

I suppose, but since I have worn one every day for about 18 straight months and thinking of myself in other womens garments(panties included) is a huge turn off to me. And I don't see that changing.

I think there's something wrong with it.

I find it hilarious that he wears one though.

Hey, what size do you wear? Does it vary?

Well, I measure myself, and its kind of hard to do it by myself... so I will measure myself 5 times or so and get a good average, here are my ranges:

Ribcage Measurements: High 31 inches, Low 30.25 inches, Avg. 30.5 inches which makes by Band Size 36.. which is perfect since 36 band size fits me like a glove

Bust Measurement is harder to get.. High 38 inches, Low 36 inches.. Avg 37. It all really depends on the style though. I can fill most A cups, and some B cups I can fill a good amount. All the bras I own are B cups though. The one I am wearing right now I am not filling but its because its a push up bra.

I kind of want to get fitted on my own at VS, but I am too afraid. Maybe one day ill work up the courage

I don't have man tits or anything, just a lot of chest muscle/tissue from all the weight lifting I have done in my life. I also think all the bra wearing I have done helps shape what I do have a bit to make it more bra-friendly. Not sure if thats true, and I hope its not, but oh well.

If you're this comfortable wearing bras, why don't you just make it known to your family and friends? You won't have to hide it then.

wow youve really put time and effort into this.

i know 8 out of 10 women wear the wrong bra size, but i dont know exactly where you fit in that statistic... lol

lol :p

He and I should go bra shopping together.:rolleyes:

Never... I can't imagine a scenario where this would be beneficial

Well I kind of want to get profesionally fitted due to this, since measuring yourself is hard trying to keep the tape level and measurements accurate. The problem is that I don't have the balls to do this... can you imagine a standard average 20 year old going up to a worker at VS and asking to be fitted? It would be awkward!

I would love to go bra shopping with a female one day, hopefully one day it will work out. The trick to this is finding a female I can trust with my hobby :)

Fabulous. You can trust me.:p

Somehow I have this feeling that sales personal at VS, and other stories, have seen it all. And if not, it it time for them to see it all:D

Also, there are smaller, specialty stores that one could go to as well rather than a chain.

Wow... working at a Victoria's Secret makes me feel like Albert Einstein reading this thread. You guys learn something new every day, huh? Here comes a long post... but its just to fill you in on some of your assumptions and what is really true

It's nothing really. There is nothing to be afraid of. Yeah, we think all the guys who come in to shop for themselves are gay/messed up psychologically, but so what? What are we going to do about it? One of the biggest things our management pushes is to treat everyone like the same sex. Gender is no barrier at Victoria's Secret, or so they say. If a guy wants to try on every bra in the place, let him. Legally we can't do anything about it. And when the guy leaves the place, we forget. It's not like we salespeople are going to hunt you down and make fun of your hobby for the rest of your life. Chances are we never see you again. Go for it, yeah we probably will think you are weird but its so common its not like you will stand out.

Once again, ccutoff is NOTHING(and I can not emphasize/stress that enough) compared to some other weird crossdressers/transvestites that I have seen in our store. ccutoff is child's play. Most of our male customers come dressed in some kind of metrosexual attire, sometimes blouses, camisoles, or tight fitting t-shirts where there bras can easily be seen. Not to mention the unplesant sight of some men coming in with low-rise jeans where we can see their panties/thong. And ccutoff preaches the truth: they preferred to be called a female name. They carry purses, wear makeup, all that, as they WANT to be women. ccutoff just likes bras. I would say we have 5 or 6 dedicated male customers.. all of which are freaks of nature, and nothing compared to ccutoff. Our female associates are obligated to fit these guys when they ask, and for the most part they don't like it(because they are over the age of 40/old/wrinkly), but since ccutoff is 20 and young, as long as you look fine without a shirt and aren't gross or anything I am sure the female associates will be GLAD to help you compared to other girls/older guys. Given a choice, it would not surprise me if my female co-workers would chose a college aged male to fit if they had a choice of anyone, any age, male or female.

Like I said... as long as you aren't terribly ugly or bad looking without a shirt on, the female associates will be glad to help you, no questions asked. Even if you are ugly they are obligated to fit you. If for some reason they say no, or reject you, complain to the store manager and they will get in big trouble. If the store manager puts up a fight, just go to a different store, since they won't be worth the embarassment. If that does happen(I highly doubt it) contact corprate.

The 8 out of 10 statistic is true, and its because we have females come into the store who buy bras based on the size they want to wear rather than what they should wear. It's really frustrating when one of my female co-workers takes the time to fit a customer and the customer throws the fitting out the window because they don't agree with the measurements. It's funny, because these customers who have a problem with their measurements put up a fight at first but will be back the next day returning their purchases. Listen to our fitters, they know what they are doing. They aren't doing it to make you feel bad or make themselves feel better.

No its not awkward. It's common. I have addressed this already though - just do it. They won't bite. If they do, complain to the manager or go to another store. And there are plenty male-female shoppers, we have a ton. Though I don't know if the males are buying anything for themselves or just helping the female pick out what she should get. We have never fitted a male and female couple at the same time before, lol.

Trust me, we HAVE seen it all. All out cross-dressers, guys who come in with a camisole with a bra under, spaghetti strap tops with bra under it with silicone inserts, the whole lot. ccutoff would be completely normal.

Before I worked at Victoria's Secret I would agree, but dude, trust me. This is nothing. I've seen much sicker things before. I would take this comment back.

CLOSING NOTE: The Victoria's Secret I worked at is not in a mall. It's a store in its own in a shopping center, so this may have something to do with these guys coming to that store rather than walking through a mall at another store with all their cross dressing attire on. I don't know, though if they have the guts to do what they do in our store you think they would be able to do what they do in a mall.

o.k. But do you think he's a little on the very strange side? C'mon he's a guy wearing a bra.

Well, yeah, of course at first I do think he is a little strange. But then when I think about it more, and read his posts, all he is really doing is wearing 1 harmless undergarment under his clothes where he doesn't want people to see. I'm sure we all have things we do in private that people would think are strange. ccutoff seems like a normal 20 year old guy. I am 19. If one of my friends wore a bra like ccutoff, I wouldn't think they were any stranger than before I knew the fact.

If I saw a normal guy like ccutoff out in public somewhere wearing a bra(outside of Victoria's Secret of course), I would think they are strange. That's because I wouldn't know anything about them. But ccutoff has given us the scoop on his bra wearing habit, and I understand him completely, to the point where I don't think he is strange. I personally wouldn't wear a bra, nor do I plan on it, but its better him doing that than cross dressing, doing drugs, etc.

P.S. for ccutoff: Check out http://answers.yahoo.com/ and search for the word bra, etc. There are so many questions/answers similar to what you are asking for here. You can even ask your own questions and have them answered quickly.

No offense to any of the posters in this thread, you all have done a good job replying to ccutoff's posts. But Yahoo Answers is a good place to get even more opinions on things like this, though I doubt the answers will be as personal and in-depth like they are here than at YA

I don't know. It's really hard for me to say. He's very straight forward so this makes him look very comfortable doing this, but a bra is made for a woman. I mean that's like a woman wearing a cup that's used for protecting a penis. I would think she was a little of her rocker just like ccutoff.

I just feel like the other members on here think I'm strange for thinking he's strange. I wear a bra because I'm a woman. He's a guy. How is it that there's nothing wrong with this? You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this. Help me understand, please.

:) Don't feel bad about it, because I and probably everyone else including ccutoff understand why you think he is strange. I know why you think so, its because this is new to you. Have you ever known any other guy who likes to wear bras other than ccutoff? The initial shock value of this is probably getting to you. I'm sure this is a new concept to some other people in this thread too, they are just quicker to be understanding at first I guess, while for you cheerfulgreek it might take some time to understand and accept what ccutoff does.

Yeah, the first time I saw a guy wearing a bra at work was shocking and I thought the guy was weird, etc, because my co-workers never warned us about guy shoppers like that. But now I have seen so many that ccutoff is just another one and it doesn't shock or wow me anymore, especially because ccutoff is nothing compared to others I have seen. I mean, at least ccutoff isn't wearing sleeveless tops and letting his bra straps peek out for the world to see, you know? That would be disturbing(and I have seen plenty of it).

But in the end, just think of it this way. It's a bra. Just a bra, nothing more, nothing less. Something that has 2 straps, 2 cups and a band. Something that can't even be seen most if not all of the time in ccutoff's case. He isn't hurting anyone, and its something that makes him happy. If it makes him happy, I am glad for him. As long as he isn't hurting anyone or anything else, I could care less. Like I said - its better him to do that rather than do drugs, child porn, pedophelia, etc... It could be much worse. And though society says that bras are for women, there are no hard ground rules or laws that state a bra is specifically for women. Society created the notion that bras are for only for women.

You're right. I mean it could be worse I guess. :confused:

I just..I dunno, it's just really, really strange to me. I think he really needs psychological help. Seriously. It's just not normal, ya know?

Hmm... well the thing is, who knows if the staff at a store I would try to get fitted/use the dressing rooms at would be as accepting and such as the staff you work with. They could be completely opposite... I think I will take it slow, but eventually I will get there.

No offense taken cheerfulgreek, you seem like a nice girl. I know that this is just part of letting people know that I wear a bra. There is always going to be some people who don't get it right away. But honestly, thanks for your input in this thread. I am glad you have helped keep it alive, since FINALLY talking about my bra hobby after 18 months of silence to myself is not only liberating but also very fun and positive. It's been nothing short of spectacular. Talking about bras is just as fun as wearing them in my opinion :)

o.k. I think you're a very positive person, because you don't get defensive which is the norm on this site:rolleyes: but did you ever get worried when you first started wanting to wear them? I mean for example, if I all of a sudden wanted to start wearing a jock strap, I would get really worried and I would think something was psychologically wrong with me. I would try and get help to see what the problem was. Do you see what I mean? You never ever thought that you could be gay? I mean never ever?

Well at first I would just wear them in private at home. But that got old and I wanted more. I began to wear them when making a short trip to the store, or such. When I first started wearing bras to school, that was very tough. Yeah, I got worried. I would always walk by people and think "What if that person knew I had a bra on" and "This doesn't feel right... I'm a guy". But I liked wearing bras.

At first when I wore bras to school I would bail out before/in between class and take it off in the bathroom and throw it in my backpack. If I left it on in class, I would slope in my chair and make sure the chair's back covered all of my back, regardless of how many layers of clothes I had on. It was really uncomfortable and I would not move a muscle all class. I was that paranoid. Sure, psychologically stuff like that got to me at first, but then I knew that I was the only one who knew that I had a bra on, so I appeared normal and bra-less to everyone else. But my desire to wear a bra over rode any doubts and paranoia I had, and eventually I got more confident and comfortable wearing bras to school/everywhere that they became a part of my daily routine, I never bailed out and left the bra on all day. I gradually became more confident in wearing my bras. Wearing them in class and concealing it towards the end of the semester was hard once it got warmer(here in Texas it can get hot) but I happened to get by only being caught once by a random girl my age that I haven't seen since and it was a very positive experience.

Yes, at first I wondered if there was something wrong with me. I was a rather macho athletic guy who wore bras! But eventually, I knew that there wasn't, because its just a bra. AC Choppy put it best, its just a bra, and its not hurting anyone. It could be worse. On the plus side, wearing bras has helped make me more confident and self respectful of myself. Nothing negative has come out of this so far *knock on wood*

And no, the thought of me being gay has never crossed my mind, 100% honest. My family is very right wing conservative, and being gay is against my religion(I'm a Christian). It's nothing I would ever consider, I am proud to be heterosexual. I am very attracted to girls... have not once even been curious about guys. I would even say that wearing bras has made me even more heterosexual(if possible) than before.

But yeah, hope that answered your question. I could talk about this all day :)

lol :p
I'm laughing really hard about you trying to use the chair to hide the bra.

How did the girl catch you? What was her reaction?

So what is it about wearing the bra that you like?

And what KIND do you wear? If you're only an A cup you can get away with wearing cute lacy bras without the uncomfortable wires, so i'm amazed to hear you say that you actually wore a PUSH-UP BRA? I'm trying to imagine how you hid that under your clothes...

OMG! That's exactly what I was wondering. I asked that earlier, and he said he only wears it certain places.

Yeah... I did that for a while and my butt would fall asleep. Wasn't fun, finally I was just like screw it and sat in the desk chair normally.

How I got caught... I was wondering that myself. It was a shuttle bus that transports people around campus. It was about 65 degrees, windy. Me and about 5 others were on that bus. I had on a hoodie and an undershirt. Normally when wearing this hoodie the bra outline doesn't show on my back unless I bend over or do something like that to get the hoodie to press against my back. Even then, you have to be looking somewhat hard to see the bra outline.

If I remember correctly, I was in the front of the shuttle on the left side, and the girl who caught me was 2 rows back and on the right side. I was reading something for a quiz, and I turned to glance out the window for about a second or two. She must have been staring at me or my paper, because this is the only time I ever exposed my back on the shuttle. We got off at our stop, and I got off before she did and continued to walk while reading the study guide. She kind of "jogged" up to me, and smiled. Not a grin, but a smile. I didn't know who she was, but I asked "What?" smiling back and she said "I think thats great honestly" and I said "What's great" and she said softly so others around couldn't hear "Your bra" and she continued to smile. I just kind of laughed back, was too shocked to say anything. She wasn't a bad looking girl either.

She took a right turn on the sidewalk to her building, and I was confused wondering how she could have found out. I guess I got careless, but hey, it wasn't bad at all, and I am glad that it happened. Hopefully when I get caught again its like that and not bad in any way.

lol :p

I think I'm getting sleepy because whenever I laugh this hard, this is usually the case. ccutoff I'm not laughing at you, I'm just laughing at the whole bra thing that's all. Plus I'm really tired. I'm going to bed, but before I do, I just want to thank you for chatting and sharing your thoughts with me. You're a really sincere guy.

I still think you're gay though. JK:p

Hmm.. my collection. I have 6

I have 2 Victoria's Secret Very Sexy Seamless push up bras. One white one black. The white one I have is an older version(not Infinity Edge, doesn't have gold adjusters or dual straps all the way) but it looks the exact same apart from that. These are hands down my favorite bras, and its comfortable. I bought the white one as my first ever purchase at Victorias Secret in January 2006. I got the black one in November 2006 when the Infinity Edge line came to my notice.

Another bra I have is discontinued. It was in the Angels Collection simply known as the uplift bra. It's white. It has less padding than the push up but still has some. It's also softer since its made out of mostly satin. I got this one the day after my first one in January 2006 at the semi-annual sale. When I got caught wearing a bra by that girl, this was what I was wearing.

My least favorite bra is the Body by Victoria shaping demi bra. I read a lot of good things about this bra online, but I don't like it that much. It's too tight and restricting, the microfiber its made out of its too static prone and makes it even more tight on my skin. I wear it rarely, its probably going on eBay soon once I buy another. I got this one in May 2006.

I have a Secret Embrace bra. The ads are right, these bras are so comfortable and I can see why its voted the best bra in the world. My only gripe is the scalloped cups(don't like the look) but they are extremely comfortable. I like the secret embrace line. I got this in July 2006 at the semi-annual sale

Lastly I have an IPEX demi bra. These are weightless, honestly. I don't like it as much as my others because its so plain and simple, but its great to wear under little layers due to its lightweight design. The fabric is also smooth and soft, less cotton-y and static prone than the shaping demi I have. I got this at the semi-annual sale in January 2007.

I am probably going to buy one this week to replace my shaping demi.

I stick to a rotation with my bras. I try to wear them in order, but there are times where I wear one for a specific event.

Yeah, it can be hard to hide the push up bra under clothes, but for baseball we get these undershirts that are kind of like under armor that in a way compress. This allows me to wear just that undershirt and a t-shirt and not have any front projection. Without those shirts its a bit harder to conceal the front projection with my pushup bras, but its still doable. Though I know what it is, a normal person would just think its wrinkles in my shirt. I love my push up bras, they are my favorites, so I will wear them no matter what. These got a lot of wear time in the winter due to my layers.

My other bras are easy to hide under just a t-shirt and normal undershirt. The secret embrace and uplift bra aren't quite as comfortable as the push ups, though they are still comfortable. The problem with the uplift bra is that the straps are 100% satin, so they do a lot of slipping and sliding off my shoulder even when tightened. I have to deal with it until I can tug the strap back onto my shoulders. On the flipside, the straps of my push up/secret embrace are the opposite, they dig into my shoulders a lot. If I loosen them, they become too loose and slide off my shoulders. I'd rather have digging straps than slipping straps to be quite honest. A minor inconvinience, but its all part of wearing a bra so I have gotten used to it and don't mind it at all.

For all my bras though, concealing the bra outline projection on my back is pretty easy to do. Its harder to conceal the front than the back. As long as I don't bend over or allow my shirts to press against my back the outline won't show. I just have to make sure not to get careless like on the bus(though I don't regret it). And I don't wear t-shirts every day. Concealing the bra outlines with polo shirts or print shirts is really easy and I don't have to worry at all when wearing those. And I won't wear tight shirts :)

Hope this helped :) talking about my bras is fun

LMAO!!!!!!!!!! :D

Funny you like all the bras I can't stand.

OK, you still haven't answered my first question: why do you like to wear bras?

I just like them. No definite reason why. I like how they feel, and they are an interesting piece of clothing to me.

I can't see how you hate the push up bras. They are amazing. The gel pads are SO comfortable. So is the secret embrace. What is wrong with these? Please explain...

If there is any bra style I hate, its lacy bras. I just don't like them, they look uncomfortable and a bit too girly for me. I go for the simpler, seamless styles. I also would never wear a sports bra, balconet bra, racerback bra, or convertible bra. Those are lame and cheesy to me :)

Also, I insist my bras have underwires. Bras without underwires feel cheap and like they were made for 12 year old pre-pubescent girls.

"Say you're getting intimate with a woman, you don't want her fumbling and struggling back there. I think we've all experienced that."

Kramer -- The Doorman

I'm sorry, but this has just got to be a joke -- a very, very well-executed joke.

And if it's not a joke, then the irony is masterful.

Okay question-how much money have you spent on bras? They're really expensive and all for some material, elastic and a piece of metal. Also, how's the IPEX? I want to try that.
Aren't underwires uncomfortable for you? They never sit right on me, it's always on a rib so I'm highly uncomfortable all day.

Nope, not a joke here. It's 100% legit... I could prove it by taking a pic of my collection I guess, but I can't find any batteries for my camera. If I were to joke around, I would have given up on page 1.

Well, only 2 of the bras I have bought have been full price - the rest were on sale at that semi-annual sale they have. All in all I have probably spent about $175-$200 on it over the course of a year... which isn't too bad considering I have a good part-time job which pays me good.

IPEX is a bit boring, in my opinion, but its easily the most lightweight bra I have ever worn. The fabric is smooth, and overall the bra seems thin and weightless. It's good under t-shirts if you want no show-through. The straps on the front are padded. Overall I'd give it a 4 out of 5. Cons are its one of the more boring bras out there, but pros are that its lightweight, comfortable and smooth. The fabric is not static prone and it doesn't attach and get tight around my skin. I recommend it.

Underwires don't bother me. I have gotten used to them, and like I said I would not wear a non-underwire bra. The underwire in my opinion makes the bra feel like its worthwhile. Yeah, it rubs sometimes, but its all part of wearing a bra. Underwires do not bother me at all.

Huh...and all this time, I thought that the notion that bras are for women comes from the fact that bras were created to cover and support breasts.

Oh, I know men can get breast cancer. And guys can also develop Gynecomastia. (I've had to help men get preauth for breast reduction surgery before.)

I just got a chuckle out of the idea that society is at fault for the presumption that bras are for women. Bras were invented for people to cover and support breasts. The majority of the time, the people who need that to be done are women. (And, of course, back when bras were invented, the idea of a man having/developing breasts would have been substantially less well known.)

Women generally wear bras out of necessity - the same purpose for which bras were invented. If a guy (or a woman who doesn't necessarily "need" one) wants to wear a bra for "fun," I don't really care one way or the other.

If I didn't have any, I wouldn't wear one...

Well, yeah, bras were designed and made for women. But men can wear them if they choose, there is no laws or rules or anything against it. Therefore, they are not only for women.