This can be an interesting story when we talk!:D

Guess if Ed said it, then there must be some truth!!!!:)

Like you, I cannot wait for it to be printed and available!

I think we really do need an indepth history widely available to all brothers.

"Warts and all". I don't think we benefit from a "white-washed" history. No pun intended from my previous post on lack of diversity within LXA.

Trust is a part of brotherhood, and by not disclosing true facts about our past because it may not look the best, that is a violation of trust. We are who we are. Good or bad, our past did lead us to the present, which we are all proud of.

Next time your in DC
 

They have it at the Library of Congress aswell. If you have some free time maybe one of you that have a copy could scan it? And send around a soft copy of it. Or we can wait the 2 years til the centenial for the next version.

Mr. Leonard was by all means joking, when he mentioned that. He said that he and Mike knew each other pretty well. He said it with a nice smirk. Great guy.

He said that his outlook on the history book that Peyser's version was too watered down.. History is history, I think he meant that Peyser was trying to play it safe, and didn't want to see how far he could push people with out bout upright upset. I haven't read the book YET so I am relying on other peoples opinions, but basically everyone says the same thing. I believe full disclosure is the way to go, otherwise interesting facts about the history of our organization would be lost forever, good or bad. When ever someone tells me about something they regret, I ask them two questions. One, if you knew then what you know now, would you have done things differently? Most people agree that they would, I do as well. The second is, if you had the option would you go back and change history? After an explanation of that principle they usually agree that they would not. If you don't believe that all things happen for a reason, you can at least believe that things happen based on past experiences and events. If Cole wouldn't have been expelled for whatever the actual reason was, it would be a whole different fraternity. Theory of evolution, one small change now however minuscule, 100 years from now could be seen as changing history.

My little rant on history. Its the largest problem i'm having, I cant find enough of it, with respect to my local chapter. We have had good times and bad, the bad have been bad, and the good have been good. It is understandable that you want to 'forget' about the past events but someone like me 20 30 40 50 years later might want to know about it. Historical paradox, you can only tell about what has been preserved through time. If no one will talk about it, or no ones alive to talk about it, it mind as well have never existed. Hoping I can dig up enough stuff myself while some people are still living with us.

I cant figure out why people get so upset about things that happened 100 years ago, it may look bad but what the hell are you going to do. I guess I just don't like not knowing things?

Interestingly enough, it was suggested to me last night that making a photocopy of the book would be a good way to go. Based on that persons advice and experience I will take his advice. :rolleyes:

Curiously enough... Mr. Raymond, as an author yourself, say 15 years from whenever your book comes out and it was out of print and impossible to get a hole of, would you mind some young kid like myself scanning your work?

Online
 

Peyser's book appears to be right here online - at least 222 pages of it. The real LCA stuff begins on page 35.

http://pdf.crossandcrescent.com/hist...ook%20Text.pdf

In ZAX,
Jono

GO GOOGLE!

wow... I thought I had searched that whole site. Saves me some time!

Thanks.

I simply searched: peyser, lambda It was the 7th result.

I meant the lambda chi site. I thought I had clicked on just about every link on nationals site, I figured I would have taken notice to something like that. Weird, the book is listed at fraternitymanuals.com as an additional manual, but the entry for it is blank, meaning not linked to the pdf. Got to love that google.

Dever, you "history" rant is right on brother.

If we keep looking back at the past, we never see the future in front of us.

You summed up my whole argument in a sentence. :)

Hm, site would not come up for me?:(

Tom, you might need to download (Adobe) Acrobat Reader first. But why? You already have the book!

Please remember OhioLINK fines are quite substantial. OhioLINK charges all patrons an overdue fee of $.50 a day per book for overdue materials. Books returned more than 30 days overdue are assessed a Non-Waiverable fine of $50.00. OhioLINK replacement charges for lost or destroyed books are $125.00 per item. Special Items, such as videotapes and CD’s, are due in 7 days from the day of checkout, and cannot be renewed. Those items accrue an overdue charge of $1.00 a day after that. To avoid these fines, all books and materials will need to be either renewed if allowable orreturned by the due date.

Jokes on them! They cant get a replacement!

and $125.00 is a bargain for that book

agreed

I got about half way through reading the PDF last night, I apparently haven't got to the sexual content chapters yet...

much thanks
 

thank you jonobn41 you saved me $500ish...

Perhaps your web filter misunderstood the term "Grand Union?"

We have a winner!

Book's ready to be picked up at the circ desk! Going to get it tomorrow.

Jokes over though, I'm not going to snag the book from the library. Figure that would be kinda cruel, odds are someone donated to the university a while ago. Who knows, ill let some other kid in 10 years have it for another day. :)

Put a post it note in it saying what your plan was and urging
future readers to NOT do that...I think that'd be pretty cool.

And/or - add a new chapter...in ink...:-)

PM me when you return it - I'm gonna check it out from that
library too...we have loan from them as well...

Will do. I stopped reading the PDF of it about half way through, so I can say that I read the book the whole way through. :D

Usually those ohiolink rentals are a decent amount of time, I would like to share it with some of the guys in the house before I have to return it.

Naught Without Labor: The Story of Phi Alpha Sigma, Theta Kappa Nu, and Lambda Chi Alpha at Drury College - $159.00
http://www.amazon.com/Naught-Without...8801123&sr=8-6
I feel like ive heard about that book before, out of my price league but one of ya'll might like it. On that note there are quite a few books for sale used on amazon, lot of old PED's and some other history books from individual colleges.
http://amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_0/10...i%3Astripbooks

Seem to be a little pricy and do not know the type of bindings?:eek:

Maybe Lynn will see this and take a shot!:)

I would like to get it and send to the Zeta as there is a closeness between them and LX Z!:)

But, again as you said, $$$.:(

http://mystuff.osuchoppers.com/Pictu...ybookcover.gif

Inside cover of the Peyser history book I picked up yesterday. I forgot to add my name but don't you all worry, it will be on there before I send it back.

According to my 50th edition Ped, Zeta-Upsilon had 1230 initiates before going dormant. And looking at the picture it doesn't look like its touched many hands in its lifetime. The book looks brand new like it just came out of the box. Perhaps it was donated to the library when the chapter closed down?

I have it for three weeks which is just in time for I-Week, I figure the new guys could use something educational to read.

Well, This is Amazing!
 

Greetings,

I know these guys!

Rob James is our current High Pi and Rob King is on our ZUZAA Board. This book must have gotten into the system at Miami University around the time of our 50th Anniversary in 2000. I will investigate....

By the way, Zeta-Upsilon is back at Miami University. In a sense we never left campus because we sponsored events and activities continuously trough out our period of darkness as a Chapter. Not a semester went by without us getting our name out there!

We are a Colony of 17 Actives and 3 AMs at this time. We are moving very rapidly toward Zeta status. We will be back in our Chapter House in one year.

Stay tuned,

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond,
Zeta-Upsilon - 384

Mike, that is so good to hear!:)

Bless them and the wishes from all of US as Brothers!:D