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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AXO Alum:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by LadyAKA: WHAT????????? - CHILD PLEASE!!!! If I came on here and called you a "child" then you would be furious. I am not a child - I am an adult with an informed opinion and that is something that everyone, not just certain (read "my") people have the right to! State your opinion, but do not act like you are the only one entitled to do so. AXO Alum- Based on my experience, this is just a phrase, slang, expression or whatever term would describe this. I don't think the intention was to call you an actual child. LadyAKA- If I am wrong, please let me know and I apologize if I misinterpreted your use of this phrase. |
What I'm hearing from most people who voted for Bush is that they voted for him because he is about putting responsibility in the hands of the people, people responsible for their own money, their own outcome. Which is all fine and dandy but what about those people who by no fault of their own, can't support themselves? What about people who for some reason, life gave them a bad deal? Not because they are lazy, maybe depression or loss of an arm or something...I mean you never know. What some people fail to realize is that those of us who are able to go to work everyday, achieve our goals and make a living for ourself, we are FORTUNATE. We are BLESSED. Any time, any day, God can choose to take you out (for lack of a better word) and you can be just like that person on the corner, who doesn't have food on the table or a home to go to.
Now, for the people out there who are just plain LAZY and don't want to go out and do for themselves, have been on welfare for the past 20 years, yes, something needs to be done about that. All of my hard earned money doesn't need to go to some couch potato. But for the people who do need it, we can't take it away from them. I just don't see Bush having any compassion for anyone except rich people or himself. That is the actual factual. Another thing I don't like about Bush are his views on education...how are you going to use PUBLIC money to fund PRIVATE education? Not fair at all. And for those schools that are doing poorly, why not investigate the reasons why it's doing so poorly and invest money to improve those situations? Not take money away. That's just ass backwards to me. Bush is obviously anti-women, anti-affirmative action, anti-civil rights, anti-abortion and the list could go on and on. He's basically anti-anything unless you're rich and you're a male. And for those of you who disagree, let's just see the state of the world in 2003. |
a little news from florida.....offically as of 6pm tonight with 53 out of 67 counties reporting their is a 1200 vote difference between Bush and Gore, however the networks are saying that 11 other counties have been contacted and have finished their recounts bring the difference between Bush and Gore to 362 votes with 64 out of 67 counties. As far as I have heard the 3 counties not reporting are 2 in southern florida (one containing the confusing ballots, where a hand count will begin saturday morning) and pinellas county (in the Tampa Bay area) where several vote from the highly democratic southern district of the county were not originally counted and several votes from the morthern republican portion of the county were counted twice.
Just thought you all might like to know what we floridians were hearing first thing. .....another update.....as of 7:15 with 65 out of 67 counties reporting Bushs' lead is only 225 votes. Manatee and Seminole counties have yet to report [This message has been edited by NewInFL (edited November 09, 2000).] |
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - cause I'm all the way in Cali and news from Florida can get twisted by the time it reaches us http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif, but as far as the ballots being confusing, for the most part the only people that have been really complaining have been the elderly, right? I saw the ballot-and to me (I'm 24) its pretty self explanatory, but I can see how an EIGHTY YEAR OLD WOMAN might have been lost!! Hell, some elderly dont know how to lock a window!
Conspiracies..... Lies...... Cover-ups..... GOD DOES NOT LIKE UGLY! And he will make things right. With the power of prayer, anything and everything is possible. GORE 107%!!! Prettypoodle6 **Praying that the next president will NOT be the one that has organizations like the KKK as supporters....... |
Laughing out load @ Little32's comment on 'It will just be a failed conspiracy' and Corbin Dallas about 'me having my own people', I am glad people still have a sense of humor!!
To AXO Alum, I am sorry you took my message out of context .... as c&c1913 stated it was meant as a type of slang, not to demeanor you. See that is what I am afraid of I am sure that Bush, as you did, will not be able to handle the complexity of ALL people!! As for your opinion, I agree you have a right to it, it may be ass backwards, but you do have a right and I am not the one to take it away from you, Bush is in charge of that(just joking, jeeeez). Right now I am a bit upset but I don't think i have resulted to hatred (such a harsh word) and name calling. All I said was Bush is a ****, you filled in your own word. This is really not a fight or argument between you and I, it is about our views, sorry if you felt I rained on your parade, didn't mean to, really!! I just don't see how you think, you or bush was so well versed on the issues, but maybe it is my oversight. And about the death penalty and what I wrote before (i.e. you kill them and then apologize)....come I did not directly mean you, but it that not how the system works most of the time, we are not always sure of who we punish, Murder is wrong either way, by abortion or capital punishment ...it is all wrong. I can't argue with you any more - a stress headache is setting in. [This message has been edited by LadyAKA (edited November 09, 2000).] |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MissSunshine:
[B]"What I'm hearing from most people who voted for Bush is that they voted for him because he is about putting responsibility in the hands of the people." Exactly, he values us as a people by giving us the power unlike Gore who is for big government. We dont want to see the "White House" turn into a Motel 6 Circus Charade where we have a commander in chief that CANNOT lead by example. Look at what kind of example the Clinton's Administration set for the men and women of the military that get court martialed for fraternizing(A man of a higher rank having an improper relationship with a female of a lower rank). What a double standard. I'm not talking just sex either. Even in the military that situation/regulation is not all about sex. I firmly believe he obstructed justice even though they never proved it. At any rate I feel that Bush has qute a lot to contribute to this country in terms of responsibility/integrity/vision to the office of the President but I guess I could see why others would rather see Gore in office. That Florida controversy does puzzle me why voters there felt they were tricked or mislead. They had to have been elderly voters because when I voted it was plane as day. I agree that if they felt that adamant about it they should of rechecked it a couple times and it just looks like they are making a lot of noise to start a controversy. [This message has been edited by kmullini (edited November 09, 2000).] |
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I don't care if you're 18 or 118 - if the help is there and you don't ask questions when you have them, don't complain if things don't come out the way you wanted. Ignorance is absolutely, positively NOT an excuse, and if you think it is, you shouldn't be voting. |
33 girl,
I respect your comments but at the same time, if you feel you are doing the right thing, then who can fault you for that? When they showed a copy of the ballot on television, it is clear that it is very confusing to have the punch marks in the middle. According to reports, Florida law requires that the choices be on the right, not the middle. If the shoe was on the other foot and this was a Bush problem, I would say the same thing. I think that people THOUGHT they were okay in voting for Gore but then, realized the discrepancy with the ballot. Personally, I think the entire nation should use the same kind of voting machines. I have voted in two different states in 96 and just 2 days ago and both times, they were electronic voting machines where you pull the lever or press a button and it's over. This archaic system of punching holes and using cardboard is SOOOOOOO outdated. And this electoral college thing has to go as well. The people elected Al Gore, fair and square. If the people had elected George Bush (and I'm talking about the popular vote), I would say the same thing. This whole election, whatever the outcome, has really tarnished my already bad image of America, land of democracy, home of the free... yeah, riiiiiiiiiiggght. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif |
Hasn't a BUNCH of people predicted that the end of the world was to come in the year 2000. . . well. . .looks like they were right with THIS race!
Also, who was it that said that presidents elected in a year ending with a 0 will die in office? All but 1 or 2 have. So really we should have been looking at the VP candidates rather than the presidential candidates themselves. |
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Why is it so funny, Bush asked for the recount, he knew his brother hooked things up for him in good ole Flo-rida and so he cried recount, it was recounted, taken away from Gore and later given to Bush ...that is what is funny, and then people jump for joy that he is president ...until wait - there is another recount, oh now no one has the state. That is funny, and like we are stating, bush is winning there, and this is the determining state and it is his brothers state - what part of the planet are you from?? So, no if Gore wins, I would not think it is a conspiracy -why?? Glad you voted for bush, hope you can live with him and make out better after 4 years, then you did these past 8!! And on the issues he has not done that well, he can't speak intelligently on any topic and he can't even name some of the surrounding countries, allies or not. Who cares about the statics in Texas, Dubya is a **** you fill the blanks in!! And there is a huge difference in letting a women choose what she wants to do and having the government mandate MURDER!! Mrs. Christian women I thought you would know that 2 wrongs don't make a right, new testament is not EYE for and EYE!! And it is not for abortion either, but taking the right away is not going to make ABORTION stop- let the woman deal with god, it has nothing to do with bush or the government!! One last thing, i gotta get it all out because I don't frequent this board a lot - So a convicted murderer has no rights, and what if he is not guilty, cause you know our system is not all that, many of MY people have undoubtedly been in this situation, so what - you kill them off first and apologize later. I am now not attacking bush, but your comment on the death penalty!!! And as for bush, he still gets joy out of murdering another human and that scares me!! [This message has been edited by LadyAKA (edited November 09, 2000).] |
Hey Everyone,
I just heard a reporter from Palm County, Florida discussing some interesting figures. First of all, Buchanan got 3400 votes (which is why people are saying they accidentally voted for him instead of Gore), but - in 1996, Buchanan received 8000 votes in the same county...which makes one wonder if the vote was really all that inaccurate. Second, these 19,000 votes that are invalid because they are double punched...in 1996, 15,000 were double punched as well - so again, it puts these seemingly outrageous numbers in perspective. Another note, again, the Elections Board rep that designed the punch ballot is a democrat, and she and her crew have stated that the ballot was specially designed to have large print for the seniors to see easier. The ballot was printed in the newspapers, mailed to every registered voter, and was on display according to law at the voting locations. Furthermore, there is a section at the very end where the voter must punch the hole to certify that this is how their ballot should be cast, and that if there are any questions/concerns to ask for assistance. If you had made any mistakes, they were there to hand out additional ballots (which several people did take advantage of). I spoke earlier about the problem I had with the computer voting, and I just asked for assistance to correct the problem. It is not fair to have people re-vote. Just recount the ballots and determine who carried the state. I do not believe in the Electoral College, but, I also do not believe in changing the rules in the middle of the game. Weeks and months ago when the prediction was the opposite (Gore winning EC and Bush winning popular vote) there was not a peep from the Gore camp about abolishing the EC. However, if you will look into the Bush campaign from the very start, he was the only one that stated he was against the EC and wanted to amend the constitution if he got into office. So again, Bush has been consistent, whereas Gore has only felt the need to jump in when it will best serve him. I believe that Gore is afraid because of those 10,000 outstanding absentee ballots, because the majority of them are military personnel, and do tend to vote Republican (especially when the funding has been so drastically cut, and the morale at an all time low for the past 8 years)....but this is a big "if" and we remember what Dan says about "ifs" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I just wanted to throw some current #'s out to show that its not like Buchanan has never had a vote in this county. |
I was watching the Today show this morning and they said that he got 3400 votes from Palm County, FL this year and only around 1300 in 1996. They said that he got 3 times the number of votes this year than in 1996 in FL.
Pat was also on the Today show and even he said that he felt that people accidently voted for him instead of Gore because of the huge increase in the number of votes this year. |
MaMaBuddha,
You're exactly right! Sometimes I feel that some of our fellow Americans are SOOOOO stupid! I mean, if the Clinton/Gore administration has been able to make life better for everyone in this country as far as education and the economy, why would you want to change it? Isn't there a saying that says "if it's not broke, don't fix it." The problem with society and particularly our generation, every one is about "me, me, me." As long as they are okay, screw everyone else and that is not the way to be. Sometimes, I think that people just voted for Bush just because they wanted a change of face in the White House, they didn't really analyze the issues and George W. track record in his state. It's sad, really sad. I think I'm opting for a move to Canada, maybe Toronto or Windsor. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif |
What about Daddy Bush and his "Read my lips. No new taxes."
I would just like to mention that I agree with what has been said thus far. Bush want's to put the decision in the hands of the people. This is a big thing with him. How can you make a decision if you have no options? You can't. Bush does not give a flying _______ (you fill in the blank) about those people who don't have any options as things stand. I would like to remind everyone that this country was settled by people searching for religious freedom. Not just religious freedom for those who are Christians, but for everyone (as much as it might pain some of y'all to contemplate that fact). Religion often also shapes morality. Somethings that are not acceptable to members of certain religions--say eating pork for example-- are perfectly acceptable to others. The larger issue I refer to hear is abortion. If it does not compromise the individual moral and religious beliefs than what right does the government have to assert dominion over what should be an individual's choice. Last I checked government and church were supposed to be separate. Your can not force your morality code on anyon else. If Bush is so for choices, why won't he let the woman make this choice for herself. Does he not trust women to choose what is right for their own bodies. Some trust. Also legal abortions are better than the seedy back alley alternatives that were once, and will again become the reality if folks like Bush have their way. Well I have said my piece and I am sure in the process I have offended many, many people. Let's just try to continue to keep this civil 'kay. [This message has been edited by Little32 (edited November 10, 2000).] |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Little32:
What about Daddy Bush and his "Read my lips. No new taxes." Okay - What about Clinton "I did not have sexual relations with her"? What does what George Bush said have to do with George W. Bush in this case? Also legal abortions are better than the seedy back alley alternatives that were once, and will again become the reality if folks like Bush have their way. Actually no it won't become reality again - Bush even stated this during the debate. There is no way that a president will ever be able to reverse Roe v. Wade. This will never happen. Again I want to state that Al Gore is all for the death penalty. People still seem to think that he isn't - this was a major discussion during the debate...the fact that they agreed on this issue was phenomenal! We've been through all of this before. What's done is done. None of us on here are going to change anyone's opinion one way or the other. Its not like other discussions where we learn from each other. There's nothing to learn here except that Gore people think Gore should be president, and Bush people think Bush should be president. Either way, thank God/Goddess/fill in religious icon here ____ we're free to think and say pretty much what we want. (Just a little Veteran's Day note in memory of my grandfather and all the vets who gave their heart and soul for this country)! |
if BUSH wins,
Europe here i come... how can people forget about the<b> war (desert storm)</b> where some of my friends where killed in. oh yeah, the <b>recession</b>...damn, did we forget about that??? looks like the rich will get richer and the poor will be executed under BUSH!!! |
Roe vs. Wade: A president can't reverse it but a largely conservative Supreme court can. Maybe not by reversing that particula case, per se, but by making a series of rulings that pretty much nullify the result of that particular case. It has happened before. If you want I will tell you when.
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I'm with you on that. My father celebrated his Marine Corp. birthday yesterday and my grandfather is a WW2 Navy veteran and lead a strike on Okinawa, Japan during that time.
"Either way, thank God/Goddess/fill in religious icon here ____ we're free to think and say pretty much what we want. (Just a little Veteran's Day note in memory of my grandfather and all the vets who gave their heart and soul for this country)!" [/B][/QUOTE] |
I just wanted to say that i completely agree with everything that AXO Alum has said through-out this entire thread. I also voted for Bush, who i am pretty positve about that will win this election whenever it does end. I think it is very poor upon the rest of you that have been name calling and saying things like "if Bush wins, im moving to europe". Its funny how AXO Alum has numbers and facts to prove what Al Gore has made mistakes, but then those who support Gore just name call Bush. Lets grow up a little and if you disagree with Bush then give us actual proofs!!
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Little,
If you really want to point out GW's shortcomings by invoking the words of his father, then it is fair game to invoke Gore's fathers record as well. Remember, it was Gore Sr., as well as a majority of southern Democratic congressman, that opposed the civil rights acts of the 60's. So, by taking the "fathers" viewpoints into account, I don't think either candidate will be able to claim the higher moral ground. |
Can someone explain to me a few things...my old mind is growing feeble. All of this confusion has left me a little peakish...
Will someone PLEASE point out to me where this allegied name calling went on!!!! I want to know! The perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! Will someone PLEASE tell me when it became a sin or childish to announce that you are going to move out of the country and start a life abroad. Will someone PLEASE tell me when it's wrong to state your opinion about whatever current event going on without a degree in this, that, or the other thing to back it up. Will someone PLEASE let EVERYBODY know that "Opinions are like NOSES, everybody has one". And I want to know WHY no pro Bushers have come in and given their opinion about the "something rotten in Florida", that goes by the name of JEB BUSH. Is that whole scenario the least bit fishy to you? IMHO it's fishier than 5 dirty hookers in a fish market on a fish fry friday....eating fish. |
Actually, Mama Buddha (sure hope I spelled that right) and I were just recalling what happened the last time a Bush was in office. It was not a pretty sight.
Whenever someone puts up numbers that allude to Bush's many shortcomings, someone--I ain't naming no names--wants to mention how statistics can be manipulated so easily. Check the beginning of the thread for that. Franny Granny: You are cracking me up. That fish thing was hilarious. |
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If you want to look at a conpiracy record, how about all the conspiracies during the past 8 years? Or do you really and truly believe that Gore had no idea that money was dirty when he got it? At least if Bush does lose this election I will be able to continue fighting for what I believe in - I have more pride than to sit around trying to blame the sun, moon, and stars for what could've been. I did see on our news last night that they interviewed several Palm Beach seniors, and they were totally PO'd about the stereotypes that they're all old and senile and couldn't read the ballot (and many of them did vote for Gore). They also talked about how if anything screwed this election up, it was the media reporting exit polls so early that discouraged a lot of voters, especially on the west coast. I would agree there. Win or lose we are living history here - I definitely don't think we'll ever have to worry about an electoral college after this! Its funny because the first couple of days everyone was glued to the tv and radio...now its become the joke of the day: "Anybody know if we have a president yet?" Its not a sin to move to Europe or anywhere else. If you don't want to be here anymore than go - you have that right. Its just like us Southerners who get tired of hearing from Yankees how great it is up north, how much better this is, how much faster that is - if its so much better, and it makes you happy, then head on out - we "ain't" stopping ya! |
My christmass wish has come true early. I had hope that both parties will embarass itself. And it came true!!!!!
by the way, democracy is for sale. Agents - Democrat Party Republican Party Vote Green, Vote Third Party. Vote for Green is Vote for Democracy. |
ACTUALLY...don't applaud Clinton/Gore for the economy's success...I think that we should all be thanking Alan Greenspan for that!
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My feeling EXACTLY. Each and every individual who exercises their RIGHT to vote has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that their vote is ACCURATE, COMPLETE and CORRECT. If a voter doesn't understand the ballot or process, they should ask (more than once if necessary). I beleive that ALL incomplete and unreadable ballots should be invalidated and thrown out, period.
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Arya, I'm with ya!
It seems that the 2 basic arguments on this board are abortion and death penalty. A majority seem to want a pro choice, anti death penalty president. Why would you vote for Bush or Gore? Ralph Nadar fits that bill! He also wants to raise minimum wage immediatly, he wants to clean up Indian Reservations, He wants to up the enforcment on environmental issues--including the clean air and clean water acts. How could any of that be bad? |
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thank GOD for the recount..if Bush wins then we(AFRICAN-AMERICANS) are in big trouble
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The presidential race might be over. But the fight to get democracy back from special interest just started. As a former Democrat turn Green (I'm a progressive liberal and proud of it.) it disgust me to see my former party look more like the Republican and the Republican look more like the National Party of South Africa.
"Ralph Nader didn't loose the election for Al Gore, Al Gore lost the election for Al Gore." ------------------ “If you know anyone who got high on industrial hemp, tell the National Science Foundation and you’ll get a prize for the most unlikely scientific discovery ever. George Bush’s father was saved by a parachute made of industrial hemp." -Ralph Nader |
That's right, the election is over. My father, a devoted republican said to me over the weekend that if he knew then what he knows now, he would have even voted for Nader. I was just making the comment about Nader because he, just like all parties that AREN'T republican or democrat, got overlooked.
I'm not the only one on this board stating their opinions about candidates, I don't see why I'm the only one that needs to stop talking about theirs. Just because my candidate isn't going to win doesn't mean that I have to stop talking about what a good president he would have made. And, you never know, what I have to say about him might spark people to vote for him in 2004 if he's running--which I hope so. Campagning is never over. [This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited November 14, 2000).] |
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Lifesaver - I hear you on the Bingo thing! If any of you listen to Bob&Tom (syndicated morning radio show) you may have heard the Dick Mango trio singing a little tribute to this whole thing - quite hilarious! Also, if anyone has seen the email FLASH where Bush/Gore are rapping and dancing - too funny! If you haven't seen it, you can email me, and if I like you (kidding http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif), I'll send the attachment to you. It is so freaking funny! ------------------ "Alpha Chi Omega - If you only had 2 wishes, what would your second one be?" |
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Actually Corbin, I think this is a turning point. At least in my opinion. Nadar failed to get his 5%, but I think a lot of people are now realizing the problems with the 2 major parties. I have a lot of hope for the green party. A majority of his voters are between 18 and 34, yes that is a lot of years, however, it says to me that our young generation is actually THINKING. It indicates to me that we are becoming more concerned with our environment and we want the government to start taking a stand. I really think this particular incident with FL will really be the last straw for some voters. Even if they remain registered as democrat or republican, I think they will definatly start to at least LOOK at a 3rd party candidate in the future. I think this definatly means that neither of the 2 candidates will be elected, or re-elected in 4 years. I figure that the Republicans and Democrats will be fishing for new candidates in 4 years.
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Someone posted in here earlier that the Electoral College should be abolished.
Here's why this is not a good idea: if the Electoral College is abolished, and, the new system is to go by the popular vote only, then only the voters in New York, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Texas will ever see a presidential candidate in person again. The candidates will go where the votes are...big population centers. So, for the rest of us in BFE...aka Dakotas, Nebraska, Colorado (the small states)...we will largely be ignored. I would like to see the Electoral College system changed...give every state an equal amount of Electoral Votes, and the Electors have to abide by the state results. This way, South Dakota becomes just as important as California... OK, I know I'm living in a dream world, and likely, abolishing or changing the EC will not happen. Democracy is an imperfect thing. I would like to add one final comment, quoting the man I really wanted to be President, Sen. John McCain of Arizona. At the GOP Convention, these were a small part of his remarks. Very ironic foreshadowing of the current crisis we find ourselve in today. I think both Bush and Gore need to take these words to heart, as should all Americans... "To achieve the necessary changes to the practices and institutions of our democracy we need to be a little less content. We need to get riled up a bit, and stand up for the values that made America great. Rally to this new patriotic challenge or lose forever America's extraordinary ability to see around the corner of history. Americans, enter the public life of your country determined to tell the truth; to put problem solving ahead of partisanship; to defend the national interest against the forces that would divide us. Keep your promise to America, as she has kept her promise to you, and you will know a happiness far more sublime than pleasure. It is easy to forget in politics where principle ends and selfishness begins. It takes leaders of courage and character to remember the difference. " Sorry the post is so long, but I thought it important. |
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The policy wonk had to jump in here. 4 years of people telling me my polsci degree was worthless, which it still is, but now I am so the expert on everything. Anyway, unfortunately, the current two party system is destined to remain in place because of the US' "winner take all" election system. If we had proportionasl representation like in europe, Nader (had he gotten 5% of the poular vote, 5% of the us house would be Green party members, or approx, 21 members). Until then, it is virtually impossible to have a Major 3rd party presence in this country. The states are responsible for their election laws, so all 50 (or at least a majority) would have to change the way we elect candidates. What is more likely to occur is a major party reallignment. A large group of people get so fed up with the current system, they abandon the controlling party. In 1865 at the conclusion of the civil war, blacks who had been educated to be Democrats left the party and flocked to the party of Lincoln, where they remained until the turn of the century. It also happened in 1932, with the election of FDR. Many lifelong Republicans left the party, due to the economic conditions of the time and stayed loyal Democrats until their deaths. Additionally, but far less drastic changes in party ideology could occur, i.e., the democrats will swing back to the left, away from the center. While these scenarios do not occur with great frequency, they do happen. Usually due to some great social movement or economic condition. Did I just re-write my final from Political Parties and Interest Groups-3013? I think so. I just like all this 'cause when else would I have an opportunity to validate myself ands my degree like that on greekchat.com http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
Well put lifesaver,
My grandfather fits this scenario well...he was brought up Republican, but all that changed in the depression...he's been a FDR democrat ever since. In fact, he did consider voting for Nader, but, he did his homework first, and stuck with Gore (I tried and tried to get him to go for Bush, but he's still mad over the depression. 60 year old memories die hard). Why not Nader? It wasn't the person...it was the party platform that scared him. He said that the Green Party's platform actually called for the total disarmament of the military - that is truly a scary direction to go in. With the current global situation, we need a strong, ready military. I feel Nader could have had a stronger showing had he addressed some of the truly radical platform ideas. Buchanan? He dug his own grave at the Reform party convention...with his poor showing, I think he ran that party out of existence. Too bad, I liked Perot's tact. You're right...we might possibly see a major political shift away from one if not both parties. If the FL vote ends up Bush, and Gore keeps on with the lawsuits, it'll derail the democratic party's credibility for future leadership. However, should the vote turn Gore's way, and if the Bush campaign goes to the courts, the same thing could happen with the republicans. I think the democrats are at greater risk...Bush would concede and get it over with if the vote turns. Gore won't. He's even quoted as saying such in the current issue of Newsweek. In his own words (and I might be paraphrasing this just a bit, I left the magazine at work) "If Bush loses, life will go on for him. Me, I'll do anything to win." He said "we ain't seen nothing yet" and I truly believe it, though it's not in the context I wish it were. Either way, just like I posted back somewhere on the first page of this string, it has been an exciting part of history to live through, and to explain to my two sons how the whole system works. My oldest son, after I explained the EC, popular vote, and the current FL situation (this was just after the FIRST recount, with Bush still ahead), he asked "If he (Gore) lost, why doesn't he quit? It's stupid." Gee, if only I had Gore's home number for my son to call...the innocence of youth! |
Lifesaver- I feel ya on the uselessness of a history/poly sci degrees - I'm discovering this now as I'm looking for a job post-graduation. However, I'm a popular person around campus right now...everybody I know is coming up to me and saying "So what's going on here....?"
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LXA, I have to say, that mostly I agree. But the way I look at it, a total disarment of our military will never happen, not in my lifetime, not in my children's lifetime, maybe not even in my grandchildren's lifetime. It just won't happen. The rest of washington wouldn't let a president do that. They also wouldn't let a president make abortion illegal, they also wouldn't let a president take away civilian right to bear arms. It will just NEVER happen. So, when we talk about the Green Parties stand on disarming the military, it's only what they WISH could happen, just like Bush can only WISH abortion didn't exixt, just like Gore WISHES he could get rid of all our guns. So we have to look at the realistic things candidates want to do.
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