Of course. No one said that because it happens, it's right. And we all have seen things on chapter websites that we know are wrong. But that's beside the point. Kevin didn't say Sigma Nu is Alpha Xi Delta "brother fraternity" in any kind of official sense. He said:
(My emphasis). Then PM_Mama00 said:
He did know what he was talking about. It does happen, as the chapter websites I linked to, however erroneous the info in them may be from an official standpoint, demonstrate. I'll also give him the benefit of the doubt that since he is a member of one of the GLOs in question, he has some personal experience to back up his claim that it happens.

You're exactly right -- just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right. But by the same token, just because its wrong doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No one needs to be told to check up on NPC rules when all they have done is note that some members of a particular GLO, rightly or wrongly, have in fact referred to another GLO as their "brother fraternity."

How about everyone stays in their own lane? Because really, if folks weren't riding their NIC mopeds down NPC boulevard, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

*says the NPHC patrolman* lol

Now THAT is funny!

Point well taken, LOL!

But in his defense, I'll point out that Kevin's comments come from where the NIC moped lane crosses NPC Boulevard.

And having said that, I'm going for a walk in the woods. :D

"Exactly," MysticCat called, as he disappeared into the woods.

Sorry I deleted my post. Kevin is a member of a group which has a historic relationship, but it's not the group from the original question that I saw when I went back to look.

It would seem that he's well qualified to discuss historic, unofficial relationships, which, as near as I can tell, is all he tried to do.

I am a member of the group in question. In a book that i recieved as a new member this is how it is stated. " Since the beginning of our sorority existence, Alpha Xi Delta has fondly thought of Sigma Nu as our "brother" fraternity. Of course, it is an unofficial relationship..."

*directing traffic*

Move along people.....nothing more to see here.

:o

Thanks. I wasn't sure whether or not it was in the new member manual, but I knew it was in some Alpha Xi document. We have received gifts on a couple of occasions from your chapter with what I guess is that page out of your pledge book along with the picture I guess is next to it -- all framed very nicely. Anyhow, we know what we know, don't we? :)

Well the Phi Mu and Sigma Nu creed are basically the same thing (some lines are almost word for word our's is just shorter), however, no NPC has a "brother" fraternity and there is no mention in my pledge manual as to how/why the creeds are so similar. I do know that it was written a few years after our name change from Philomathean Society to Phi Mu though.

Until then,
Love, Honor, Truth y'all!

There was some kind of connection way back in the day but I don't remember what it is. It was either in a manual or history book or maybe I found it online. I do know that there was some sort of connection.

And you're right. That doesn't make them our brother fraternity.

Only speaking for Phi Mu now?

That's good. :)

Perhaps you should actually think of others rather than yourself.

I'm a member of NPC. I served on my campus' Panhel. I know the rules. I know that all NPC sororities discourage the brother-sister relationship... or SHOULD be discouraging it. I spoke of what I knew from Panhel, as did the other NPC sisters in this thread.

I'm curious what Alpha Xi Delta's HQ says about this. Was this written by a chapter member in the book? Or is this a book from their HQ? And if this is from their HQ, then I wonder what NPC has to say about it since they discourage it.

Why did this have to get so contentious?

Kevin didn't claim to speak for all groups or claim to speak about formal relationships existing, as near as I can tell.

Everyone had a chance to explain what he or she knew to give a complete sense of the picture, which seems to be: although no official national relationships exist and are discouraged by NPC, some groups have historic or campus level bonds.

Couldn't it have been more polite?

ETA: Some topics themselves ARE controversial and people may be very passionate about them; I can see why people get snappy in some threads. It's just really weird that this one brought out.

What exactly do you mean? You replied (in a fairly condescending manner) that I was wrong. I pointed out to you that you were assuming a whole lot and that in fact, I was accurate. I'm really not sure how that makes me self-centered, or how my self-centered-ness is even relevant to this conversation.

It's in their new member manual.

Or at least, so I'm told.

So you say...:)

Thanks for pretending to know about my organization's history as well as another organization though. Do the rules govern what historical accounts/relationships can say and be as well? I never claimed that we have any sort of official bond whatsoever. It's simply a fact that due to history, Sigma Nu is recognized by Alpha Xi Delta historically as its "brother" organization. It's not as if this appears in either organization's Constitution/Bylaws. If this is a violation of NPC policy, surely someone a little more elevated than a former campus active-chapter panhell officer would have said or done something about it.

I think polite got thrown out the window when Kevin said he hated homeless people in the other thread.

The cover story of the latest issue of our magazine "The Quill" was devoted to the Alpha Xi Delta - Sigma Nu connection...

you can read it here

http://www.alphaxidelta.org/pdfs/qui...lwin06full.pdf

I missed that. Surely there's more to this story, right?

It's cute story! I love the pictures of the couples.

There is.

It seems like the relationship between Alpha Xi Delta and Sigma Nu is a celebration of their historical bond. Similar to that between Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu. I doubt one will find "Proud to be a Macon Magnolia!" on either the Alpha Delta Pi's or Phi Mu's websites. But (most) everyone within those organizations - and many outside - know, understand and acknowledge the historical bond between these two sororities. Heck, many Greek Chat members who are members of these two fine sororities have that acknowledgement ("Proud to be a Macon Magnolia!") as part of their signature. They aren't saying they are "sister sororities" in any official way per say, but acknowledging and celebrating their historical bond. And the same may be said for the Farmville Four, the Jefferson Duo, the Lexington Triad, the Miami Triad, the Monmouth Duo, the Syracuse Triad, and the Union Triad. As well as those fraternities and sororities that have helped other organizations in one way or the other over the years. That historical bond should be celebrated as well.

ETA: Such a nice sentiment to hold and pass on down the years. From the cover story in "The Quill".

"The next time you [Alpha Xi Delta member] talk with a Sigma Nu friend or meet a brother for the first time, tell him how grateful you are that his brothers at Lombard extended a helping hand to our founding sisters. He’ll be happy to know that he and every member of Sigma Nu will always hold a special place in our Fraternity’s history and our hearts."


Side note: Do Alpha Epsilon Phi and Alpha Omicron Pi refer to themselves as the Barnard Duo? Or maybe the Barnard Babes?

I don't think anyone has a problem with historical bonds.

What IS a problem is when people try to portray it as something that influences fraternity/sorority relations today. Someone who is interested in pledging should never have to worry that if she joins ABC she'll HAVE to hang out with and date XYZs because XYZ is their "brother fraternity." I'm sure there are schools where the AXiDs and Sigma Nus can't stand each other.

It can be annoying and limiting to feel "tied" to the same fraternity or sorority, for whatever reason. Like Phyllis said, all the NPC groups discourage it (or should).

Is someone in this thread portraying any such thing?

Or is that just a generalized statement?

that they wont! lol

and you betta believe it....

I believe that's what the OP was asking about.

The OP looks like a translation from babelfish.

You're not lying.;)

Just for you I did an English-Italian-English translation:

Hi, Than what it is the fraterity of the fratellanza that is sisters with the sigma of sigma sigma? Who is the brother and sister?

OMG! one of the girls in the article is an Alpha Xi at FIU (my school!) how cute! And we don't even have Sigma Nu here but they still managed to meet! Adorable!

Thank you. And 33girl also. Exactly my points.

Check ChitChat.

where i got that quote from was not written by a chapter, it was written by Fraternity Headquarters and sent to the chapters. it never said that Sigma Nu is our brother fraternity but more like we like to think of them like that.

You realize, of course that according to our resident NPC experts, your organization is in violation of the NPC rules. Please mail your charter back to NPC HQ. ;)

Kevin's being funny, but if your HQ really IS saying in materials that Sigma Nu is your brother fraternity and encouraging that relationship and seemingly officially "mandating" it, that's a real problem.

In the words of founder Julia Foster, "Five of the 10 founders married Sigma Nus. The other half of us failed."


Awesome :)

Is that a real quote?

Wow.

I don't get that from their materials. I may know a little about this since that particular part of their new member manual was excerpted, accompanied by a nice picture and frame and then hung on the wall at my Chapter's home.

As said before, while the historical ties are definitely known and mentioned, there is no official relationship either existing or encouraged.

She said it.

Where did she use the word "official," or say that it is an "official" relationship rather than a historical, informal one. I didn't see that, nor did I see anything about "mandating" a relationship.

My kids' "Aunt Fran" is coming to stay with them tonight so that my wife and I can have a night and day tomorrow to ourselves. She is not really their aunt, she's my wife's best friend. The kids know perfectly well that she is not their aunt -- my son will often greet her with "Hey, Aunt Fran-who's-not-really-our-aunt-but-we-call-you-that-anyway!"

No official relationship, just a sentimental one.