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AKA_Monet 03-22-2007 08:59 PM
Listen heerah miss missy
 
Royalempress,

You take these things way too seriously. That's why your feelings are hurt. You could care less about what I say if it didn't mean to much to you.

Because I come from a different generation, just one removed from full segregation, the thought patterns of my own family members being water canonned reminds me of the strides people forced into a color.

The question is about fairness and what someone ELSE wants to name and identify somebody who has been subjugated.

You wanted to be called something that is a color definition. I questioned your intent. And as I and many other on here can see you completely FAIL and LACK a basic comprehension of yourself. And everything you fathom in this world will fail until you FREE YOUR MIND AND LIVE BY YOUR OWN TRUTHS!

Now, I don't give a rat's ass what you call yourself. But there will be plenty of others who will call you out your name. Be mediocre. Lie to youself. It is your life.

But, in front of me, I will call you on it. Grow up and be a woman, independent and stand on your own two feet. And stop being a whiner and a baby because you cannot have your way.

Keep saying dysfunctional stuff around here. Hayle post it in the AKA Ave. But, your comments were weak and I told you how they were.

AKA_Monet 03-22-2007 09:07 PM
Coming to Jesus Meeting...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1417085)
At the same time, I wonder about the mental soundness of people who are unrelenting about self-identifying with certain things.

If a person of African descent wants to identify as white, is that okay because that's what THEY want? Sure, it's technically okay because this is all socially constructed. But does calling yourself a "Brown American," for example, prove some kind of point or make the person feel vindicated?

Then I also wonder if the person REALLY identifies with something or just vocalizes it when such topics come up. Being a "brown American" in this thread is different from considering yourself one everyday, putting that down on paperwork, and correcting people/informing people that you are a "brown American."
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1417085)
At the same time, I wonder about the mental soundness of people who are unrelenting about self-identifying with certain things.

If a person of African descent wants to identify as white, is that okay because that's what THEY want? Sure, it's technically okay because this is all socially constructed. But does calling yourself a "Brown American," for example, prove some kind of point or make the person feel vindicated?

Then I also wonder if the person REALLY identifies with something or just vocalizes it when such topics come up. Being a "brown American" in this thread is different from considering yourself one everyday, putting that down on paperwork, and correcting people/informing people that you are a "brown American."

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1417085)
At the same time, I wonder about the mental soundness of people who are unrelenting about self-identifying with certain things.

If a person of African descent wants to identify as white, is that okay because that's what THEY want? Sure, it's technically okay because this is all socially constructed. But does calling yourself a "Brown American," for example, prove some kind of point or make the person feel vindicated?

Then I also wonder if the person REALLY identifies with something or just vocalizes it when such topics come up. Being a "brown American" in this thread is different from considering yourself one everyday, putting that down on paperwork, and correcting people/informing people that you are a "brown American."
I just like these comments...

ForeverRoses 03-23-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by metro803 (Post 1417330)
that basically summarizes everything..... not just african americans though
I agree completely. Sometimes we need to look beyond the label and at the person behind it.

As for being politically correct, last year my parents went on a tour of Australia, part of the tour included going to an Aborigine Cultural Center near Alice Springs. One of the other Americans on the tour always referred to the Aboriginal people as "African-American-Austrailians".

RoyalEmpress33 03-23-2007 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1417396)
Royalempress,

You take these things way too seriously. That's why your feelings are hurt. You could care less about what I say if it didn't mean to much to you.

Because I come from a different generation, just one removed from full segregation, the thought patterns of my own family members being water canonned reminds me of the strides people forced into a color.

The question is about fairness and what someone ELSE wants to name and identify somebody who has been subjugated.

You wanted to be called something that is a color definition. I questioned your intent. And as I and many other on here can see you completely FAIL and LACK a basic comprehension of yourself. And everything you fathom in this world will fail until you FREE YOUR MIND AND LIVE BY YOUR OWN TRUTHS!

Now, I don't give a rat's ass what you call yourself. But there will be plenty of others who will call you out your name. Be mediocre. Lie to youself. It is your life.

But, in front of me, I will call you on it. Grow up and be a woman, independent and stand on your own two feet. And stop being a whiner and a baby because you cannot have your way.

Keep saying dysfunctional stuff around here. Hayle post it in the AKA Ave. But, your comments were weak and I told you how they were.
*Sighs* I see we think completely differently. If my way of thinking is some how "dysfunctional" to you, that's your opinion. No feelings of mine are hurt actually. If that's what you believe however, that's fine. No one is whining because frankly, I have nothing to complain about. If however I feel as though someone is trying to insinuate something that's not true, as I felt you were, I'm going to speak my piece as well. I am not lying to myself about anything either. Again, your statements are off point. I simply responded to what you first typed about my own personal outlook,which were off base like I said, and asked you to back up your claims, and thus far, you haven't. Therefore, your own statements (not inquires) are "weak" and I told you how they were. But anyway, all of you, have a great weekend!

RoyalEmpress33 03-23-2007 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1417396)
Royalempress,

You take these things way too seriously. That's why your feelings are hurt. You could care less about what I say if it didn't mean to much to you.

Because I come from a different generation, just one removed from full segregation, the thought patterns of my own family members being water canonned reminds me of the strides people forced into a color.

The question is about fairness and what someone ELSE wants to name and identify somebody who has been subjugated.

You wanted to be called something that is a color definition. I questioned your intent. And as I and many other on here can see you completely FAIL and LACK a basic comprehension of yourself. And everything you fathom in this world will fail until you FREE YOUR MIND AND LIVE BY YOUR OWN TRUTHS!

Now, I don't give a rat's ass what you call yourself. But there will be plenty of others who will call you out your name. Be mediocre. Lie to youself. It is your life.

But, in front of me, I will call you on it. Grow up and be a woman, independent and stand on your own two feet. And stop being a whiner and a baby because you cannot have your way.

Keep saying dysfunctional stuff around here. Hayle post it in the AKA Ave. But, your comments were weak and I told you how they were.
Ok, I understand now, we are from different generations. I didn't know that. I was in a crappy mood yesterday and probably shouldn't have responded in that manner. But I will say this though. If my way of thinking is some how awkward to you, as they are to many who can't fathom or agree with my way of thinking, that's fine. No feelings of mine are hurt actually but I felt misunderstood. No one is whining because frankly, I have nothing to complain about. If however I feel as though someone is trying to insinuate something that's not true, as I felt you were, I'm going to speak my piece as well. I am not lying to myself about anything. How could I? No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't do it because I know where I came from. I simply responded to what you first typed about my own personal outlook, and asked you to back up your claims, and thus far, you haven't. Therefore, your own statements (not inquires) are "weak" and I told you how they were. But anyway, all of you, have a great weekend!

AKA_Monet 03-23-2007 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyalEmpress33 (Post 1417728)
Ok, I understand now, we are from different generations. I didn't know that. I was in a crappy mood yesterday and probably shouldn't have responded in that manner. But I will say this though. If my way of thinking is some how awkward to you, as they are to many who can't fathom or agree with my way of thinking, that's fine. No feelings of mine are hurt actually but I felt misunderstood. No one is whining because frankly, I have nothing to complain about. If however I feel as though someone is trying to insinuate something that's not true, as I felt you were, I'm going to speak my piece as well. I am not lying to myself about anything. How could I? No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't do it because I know where I came from. I simply responded to what you first typed about my own personal outlook, and asked you to back up your claims, and thus far, you haven't. Therefore, your own statements (not inquires) are "weak" and I told you how they were. But anyway, all of you, have a great weekend!
Can someone please explain to me why folks need to back up claims these days? Your the second kid on here who has said this bullisht to me. WTF?

Are kids these days that crazy to be so petulent?

Okay, I get it. You didn't have that kind required reading in school. "The Power's that Be" cut all that kind of stuff out...

Okey, we were required to read in my high school and college books and they open from left to right.

We had to read titles like Shakespeare, Edgar Allen Poe, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Zora Neale Hurston, Toni Morrison, Alice Walker, William Faulkner

Plays we had to read to graduate were Importance of Being Earnest, Glass Menagerie, Julius Caesar, Waiting for Godot, Raisin in the Sun.

I chose to do extra reading from like, Native Son, Invisible Man. Poetry from June Jordan, more Alice Walker.

Then, I chose to read Einstein's Theory of Relativity, Adolf Hitler's Mien Kampf, and the orginal reasons for South Africa's Apartheid, written by Rhodes (of Rhodes Scholars), Alfred Nobel (Nobel Prize), and DeBeers (Diamonds).

I read books by Greek and Roman authors. Of course not in the original language. Such as Antigone, Lysistrata, Odyssey, the Iliad.

Then I was forced to write papers on the Divine Comedy, Milton's Paradise Lost/Regained. I almost learned Latin.

Of course I read Jane Erye but I like the movie "Sargasso Sea".

And I have always read scifi, like tall the Dune books, Star Wars and Issac Asimov's Foundations Series... We had to read Ray Brabury's Farenheit 451, And we also read "1984" and "Brave New World".

And I did side read rather than my scientific reading, such as Physics, General Chem, P. Chem and Molecular.

My back up is my life and it cannot be stored on a jumpdrive. This is the way WE HAD to do it in the old days, B.C. before computers.

When I was young, we had to go to the library and read the book before we could see certain movies...

And old professors are EXPECTING these concepts from you.

Sista 03-29-2007 09:40 PM
There are People here in America who have white parents and they call their self black. Not because they have a black parents though, but more so because more so they want to identify with their black side. Here in America, it is a cool thing to be black, almost like a fad. Being black will allow you more fun and the acceptance by the people who are real, hip and trend setting, those people being, black people. I understand the plight of people who are obviously mixed with white but I do not identify with them.

My family is a family full of generations of black people who only intermingle with their own kind, that being African decent people. I am one of those my self, I only mingle with my own kind, that being African Americans, other descendants of African slaves and Africans on the continent, they are my people, they are a part of who I am.

My reason for telling this is because, I was just out buying some food and this Asian girl who looked like she may have had some black in her down the line was talking to me and she went out of her way to project what Arican Americanss call the swaggar, it's a way that African American people talk, move and connect when amongst each other. I didn't identify with her but she thought she identified with me. The thing about those kind of people who try to project the black image just because they probably have 2% black blood in them,or no black blood at all but what they perceive as a black style, they don't really identify with Africa, nor do they care to. They actually think black people in America are their own kind of race aside from Africans. Now tell me, why would they think that if they identified with where the black in them came from, that place being Africa? To me, black means I am African decent, not just black alone. That black in me means something, it means I am African.

I once worked with a Mexican who told me I was not like the Africans on the continent but do you know why she said that? She said that because her distorted image of African people is that they are jungle people, people who are not civilized. how does one expect for AA's who acknowledge and are proud of their African Genes, Roots and DNA to settle for that? I let them know immediately that they have not seen real African people if that is what they think and even if they do see Africans on television who are poor and being projected as savage, I let them know that those people are my people as well. I really don't care what people who can not think for their self think or feel or believe.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420509)
There are People here in America who have white parents and they call their self black. Not because they have a black parents though, but more so because more so they want to identify with their black side. Here in America, it is a cool thing to be black, almost like a fad. Being black will allow you more fun and the acceptance by the people who are real, hip and trend setting, those people being, black people. I understand the plight of people who are obviously mixed with white but I do not identify with them.

My reason for telling this is because, I was just out buying some food and this Asian girl who looked like she may have had some black in her down the line was talking to me and she went out of her way to project what Arican Americanss call the swaggar, it's a way that African American people talk, move and connect when amongst each other. I didn't identify with her but she thought she identified with me. The thing about those kind of people who try to project the black image just because they probably have 2% black blood in them,or no black blood at all but what they perceive as a black style,

Are you talking about the whole "acting black" and "talking black" thing?

Every group of people has cultural markers and identifiers that both insiders and outsiders know of. This doesn't mean that every member of that group has to display these markers and identifiers, since there is some variation across social classes. The problem is when it becomes a negative and something to be mocked.

I have a level of comfort when I'm around people of the African diaspora. But I don't use my comfort as an excuse to pretend I don't know the English language or am an ignorant person. I used to use my comfort as such an excuse when I was young because I didn't understand the intellectual and cultural roots of "blackness."

That said, I'm annoyed by ANYONE who approaches me and dumbs down or acts what they think is "ghetto" just because I'm black. That includes black people, white people, Asian people, Hispanic people, and so forth. If you can't speak a coherent sentence, talk about something other than "black things," and act like you have some sense and home training around me just because I'm black--keep it moving.

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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420509)
they don't really identify with Africa, nor do they care to. They actually think black people in America are their own kind of race aside from Africans. Now tell me, why would they think that if they identified with where the black in them came from, that place being Africa? To me, black means I am African decent, not just black alone. That black in me means something, it means I am African.
I identify with the struggles and triumphs of people of the African diaspora and the black culture. I don't identify with Africa as a continent nor do I want to. I'm not African and don't feel loyalty to Africa.

That's fine if you do as long as you don't think that all black people in America have to.

Sphinx101 03-30-2007 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1414690)
The term African American was coined by Blacks in the United States, meaning those whose African ancestors were brought here in chains. The term was coined by those who were once called Colored, Negro, Afro American, Black American, etc. etc. I think that most people know, particularly those whose families have been in the U.S. for generations, that African Americans are the descendants of the Africans brought here during the Slave Trade.

Now that we have other Black people in the U.S. who are from various different parts of the world (Africans, Jamaicans, Haitians, etc.etc.), people want to act like they don't know who the term African American is meant for. Is it okay for someone who was born in the United States but has African parents to call themselves an African American? I say sure if they want to, but when I personally think of African Americans I think of people like me, whose African ancestors were enslaved in the United States. I personally LOVE the term African American because I think it sums up what I am quite nicely. I'm an American because I was born here and many generations of my family were born here but I am proud of my African heritage also. I also know in doing my own genetic research that DNA doesn't change just because you are generations removed from your ancestors. The DNA my ancestors had is the DNA that I have, therefore I am also African. You'll find this for yourself if you do your own genetic research on DNA, mitochondrial DNA in particular. A good place to start might be www.africanancestry.com. My DNA has been tested and it matches that of three tribes/countries in Africa.

It's all about how you define yourself; other people will define you however they see fit. My husband is from Ghana, West Africa and he does not refer to Whites as Africans, even if they were born in Africa, even if their family has been in Africa for generations. To him, they are Europeans or Whites in Africa. He has also been living in the United States for quite a while but if you ask him he will very proudly tell you that he is an African...living in America. He does not consider himself or anyone like him to be African American. He also has no problem in being called Black; he considers all people of African descent to be Black. Ethiopia, the birthplace of modern man, translates into "Land of the Blacks."

The bottom line is call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with and if someone calls you something you don't like, kindly correct them. That is all that you can do. I'm African and I'm American so African American suits me just fine.
Well Put...

macallan25 03-30-2007 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420509)
There are People here in America who have white parents and they call their self black. Not because they have a black parents though, but more so because more so they want to identify with their black side. Here in America, it is a cool thing to be black, almost like a fad. Being black will allow you more fun and the acceptance by the people who are real, hip and trend setting, those people being, black people. I understand the plight of people who are obviously mixed with white but I do not identify with them.

My family is a family full of generations of black people who only intermingle with their own kind, that being African decent people. I am one of those my self, I only mingle with my own kind, that being African Americans, other descendants of African slaves and Africans on the continent, they are my people, they are a part of who I am.

My reason for telling this is because, I was just out buying some food and this Asian girl who looked like she may have had some black in her down the line was talking to me and she went out of her way to project what Arican Americanss call the swaggar, it's a way that African American people talk, move and connect when amongst each other. I didn't identify with her but she thought she identified with me. The thing about those kind of people who try to project the black image just because they probably have 2% black blood in them,or no black blood at all but what they perceive as a black style, they don't really identify with Africa, nor do they care to. They actually think black people in America are their own kind of race aside from Africans. Now tell me, why would they think that if they identified with where the black in them came from, that place being Africa? To me, black means I am African decent, not just black alone. That black in me means something, it means I am African.

I once worked with a Mexican who told me I was not like the Africans on the continent but do you know why she said that? She said that because her distorted image of African people is that they are jungle people, people who are not civilized. how does one expect for AA's who acknowledge and are proud of their African Genes, Roots and DNA to settle for that? I let them know immediately that they have not seen real African people if that is what they think and even if they do see Africans on television who are poor and being projected as savage, I let them know that those people are my people as well. I really don't care what people who can not think for their self think or feel or believe.
*bangs head against wall*

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420780)
*bangs head against wall*

Because you don't understand what she was saying?

macallan25 03-30-2007 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420781)
Because you don't understand what she was saying?
No, because I think what she said, that I put in bold, is complete asinine.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420792)
No, because I think what she said, that I put in bold, is complete asinine.
Is that because you don't understand what she meant?

If you understand what she meant, why don't you discuss her point and yours instead of labeling something assinine?

macallan25 03-30-2007 01:54 PM
Frankly, I think the idea that "acting black" for the purpose of being accepted by the "real, hip and trend setting people.....those people being black" is extremely idiotic.

I didn't realize that "here in America" it was "cool to be black" or "cool" to be any race for that matter. Furthermore I didn't realize that acting like a black person was a fad. I guessed I missed that one.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420806)
Frankly, I think the idea that "acting black" for the purpose of being accepted by the "real, hip and trend setting people.....those people being black" is extremely idiotic.
But people do it.

So do you think her comment is assinine or that people who "act black" because it's cool in certain settings are assinine?

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420806)
I didn't realize that "here in America" it was "cool to be black" or "cool" to be any race for that matter. Furthermore I didn't realize that acting like a black person was a fad. I guessed I missed that one.
Such discussions exist so that you can learn things that you've never realized or thought consciously about. ;) It isn't untrue just because you're one person out of millions of people who is unaware of it.

macallan25 03-30-2007 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420811)
But people do it.

So do you think her comment is assinine or that people who "act black" because it's cool in certain settings are assinine?

She made it sound like it was something she actually believes....not just something she observed. It that is the case.....then I think both the belief and the fact that people do that are pretty damn asinine.

DSTRen13 03-30-2007 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420806)
Frankly, I think the idea that "acting black" for the purpose of being accepted by the "real, hip and trend setting people.....those people being black" is extremely idiotic.

I didn't realize that "here in America" it was "cool to be black" or "cool" to be any race for that matter. Furthermore I didn't realize that acting like a black person was a fad. I guessed I missed that one.
It is completely idiotic. People do completely idiotic things all the time (surely you know this?).

The first thing that comes to my mind on this topic ("acting black" for benefits) is the man auctioning his blackness on eBay ... does anyone have a link to a copy of that?

DSTRen13 03-30-2007 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420812)
She made it sound like it was something she actually believes....not just something she observed. It that is the case.....then I think both the belief and the fact that people do that are pretty damn asinine.
So you're saying you don't believe that people do it?

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420812)
She made it sound like it was something she actually believes....not just something she observed. It that is the case.....then I think both the belief and the fact that people do that are pretty damn asinine.
Are you saying that it is assinine to believe that being black is cool?

Hmmm...well I think black is not only cool but beautiful. But I believe (and I imagine Sista agrees with me) it is assinine for nonblacks to think it is okay to form a caricature and make black something that is cool in certain settings, as long as they don't have to understand and experience what black truly is.

This isn't a point of debate because I will not be shocked nor upset if you don't understand or agree. ;) Black is just a race to you and that's fine.

macallan25 03-30-2007 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1420818)
So you're saying you don't believe that people do it?
Yeah, I absolutely believe people do it. DSTCHAOS just asked if I thought that what she said was asinine. If she actually believes that black people are the real, hip and trendsetting people and that we should "act black" to be accepted by said black people.......then yeah.....I think that is a pretty ridiculous belief.

macallan25 03-30-2007 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420820)
Are you saying that it is assinine to believe that being black is cool?

Hmmm...well I think black is not only cool but beautiful. But I believe (and I imagine Sista agrees with me) it is assinine for nonblacks to think it is okay to form a caricature and make black something that is cool in certain settings, as long as they don't have to understand and experience what black truly is.

This isn't a point of debate because I will not be shocked nor upset if you don't understand or agree. ;) Black is just a race to you and that's fine.
Jesus....no I didn't say that. It came across to me like she was saying it was cool to act black because that is how you are allowed more fun and are able to be accepted by those that are "real, hip and trendsetting." Then she had to add that those said people are black. Sorry, I just don't believe that blacks are the only trendsetting, real people out there.

If I misunderstood what she was saying then by all means, enlighten me.....

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420824)
If she actually believes that black people are the real, hip and trendsetting people and that we should "act black" to be accepted by said black people.......
I didn't gather that from her post. :cool:

macallan25 03-30-2007 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420832)
I didn't gather that from her post. :cool:
I did

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Being black will allow you more fun and the acceptance by the people who are real, hip and trend setting, those people being, black people.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420830)
Jesus....no I didn't say that. It came across to me like she was saying it was cool to act black because that is how you are allowed more fun and are able to be accepted by those that are "real, hip and trendsetting." Then she had to add that those said people are black. Sorry, I just don't believe that blacks are the only trendsetting, real people out there.

If I misunderstood what she was saying then by all means, enlighten me.....
Well, SHE might believe that blacks are the "real, hip and trendsetting" people. I don't know if she was just stating what others believe or what she believes.

It is true that in certain settings it is the black people who are the hip, trendsetters or ASSUMED to be. Those settings include society's take on sports, certain music and dance forms, certain phrases, and certain styles of dress that have become accepted. These are the hip and trendy aspects of what many people think of when you say "black people." Many people certainly don't think of business (unless they saw some magazine cover with hip hop moguls, etc.) and academics (unless they remember some "smart black person" they've read about) because they have a limited exposure to these aspects of "black people."

None of what I typed should be confused with blacks being THE real, hip trendsetters of Western civilization. So instead of being stuck on that rather minute part of Sista's post, you should focus on her overall message. :)

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420834)
I did
Again, she could've been typing as the voice of the people who believe that or expressing her opinion. She has yet to clarify.

The point remains that those who DO think being black means we have some insight on things like rhythm and effortlessly finding cool Air Force Ones, will undoubtedly come to us if they want to know about rhythm and Air Force Ones. :cool: In coming to us, they will attempt to prove to us that they are "cool" and can relate to us.

DSTRen13 03-30-2007 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420824)
Yeah, I absolutely believe people do it. DSTCHAOS just asked if I thought that what she said was asinine. If she actually believes that black people are the real, hip and trendsetting people and that we should "act black" to be accepted by said black people.......then yeah.....I think that is a pretty ridiculous belief.
Hm. I didn't get that from what she wrote, but going back and reading it again, I suppose it could be taken that way.

I got that she felt that black people should not accept nonblack people who try to "act black" in order to try to get in with black people who they perceive as being real, hip, and trendsetting. I could be wrong about this interpretation ... Sista?

Sista 03-30-2007 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)
Are you talking about the whole "acting black" and "talking black" thing?
Acting black, what exactly is that?

While you are at it, tell me what is acting White?

By the way, do you also know what it is to be acting Asian?

Please, by all means enlighten us.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)
Every group of people has cultural markers and identifiers that both insiders and outsiders know of. This doesn't mean that every member of that group has to display these markers and identifiers, since there is some variation across social classes. The problem is when it becomes a negative and something to be mocked.
I didn't get what you just said, what exactly is your point?

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)
I have a level of comfort when I'm around people of the African diaspora. But I don't use my comfort as an excuse to pretend I don't know the English language or am an ignorant person. I used to use my comfort as such an excuse when I was young because I didn't understand the intellectual and cultural roots of "blackness."

Are you saying that acting black is equal to ignorance, not knowing or not properly speaking the English language?


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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)

That said, I'm annoyed by ANYONE who approaches me and dumbs down or acts what they think is "ghetto" just because I'm black. That includes black people, white people, Asian people, Hispanic people, and so forth. If you can't speak a coherent sentence, talk about something other than "black things," and act like you have some sense and home training around me just because I'm black--keep it moving.
Oh I can see for my self now, you do think acting black is ignorance, all right, gotcha ;)

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)
I identify with the struggles and triumphs of people of the African diaspora and the black culture. I don't identify with Africa as a continent nor do I want to. I'm not African and don't feel loyalty to Africa.
Who said anything about loyalty? I think you have some kind of issue with African people as well as African American people and black people period. Where are you from, who are you? Or do you even know your self?:D


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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420759)
That's fine if you do as long as you don't think that all black people in America have to.
Did I ask you your opinion? Did I ask you if it is okay for me to identify and have loyalty to Africa?

Who made you the master of what is okay and what is not?

Who are you supposed to be?

I am rather annoyed with you and I get the impression you only responded to my post in order so that you could make it known that you are not your brothers keeper.:eek:

Sista 03-30-2007 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420780)
*bangs head against wall*


What are you, some type of Neanderthal:confused:

laylo 03-30-2007 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420913)
I am rather annoyed with you and I get the impression you only responded to my post in order so that you could make it known that you are not your brothers keeper.:eek:
I think you might have missed her use of quotes.

macallan25 03-30-2007 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420913)
Acting black, what exactly is that?

While you are at it, tell me what is acting White?

By the way, do you also know what it is to be acting Asian?

Please, by all means enlighten us.:rolleyes:
You need to calm down psycho. Your post could have easily been interpreted as talking about people "acting black". How you don't know what that means is kind of beyond me.

Watch MTV.........white people on their love to act black.

A White kid decked out in FUBU, Sean John, and Phat Farm with a white doorag, Timbalands, and a half sideways flat billed baseball cap, whom only listens to screwed and chopped freestyle rap, sips Crunk Juice and tries to talk like TI = "Acting Black"

Sista 03-30-2007 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420842)
Again, she could've been typing as the voice of the people who believe that or expressing her opinion. She has yet to clarify.

The point remains that those who DO think being black means we have some insight on things like rhythm and effortlessly finding cool Air Force Ones, will undoubtedly come to us if they want to know about rhythm and Air Force Ones. :cool: In coming to us, they will attempt to prove to us that they are "cool" and can relate to us.

I am so glad that there are actually some critical thinkers in this forum.;) Thank you for breaking down what my post was really all about.

You are right, I was not speaking from my voice, I was speaking as the voice of the people who actually believe that black people are this, or black people are that, or black people are better at this and terrible at that. What ever it is they feel that they lack which will make them more of a real person, they feel as though having someone black around them will fulfill what they lack. It is another form of slavery, yet it is very subtle and believe it or not, some black people cheerfully take these roles in which they rescue or save non black people from their boring lives. You can see this happening in the rapp music industry if you look very closely.


I was at the gym the other day and I met this Latino girl, she was telling me about this dude she had just broken up with and how immediately after their break up, he got married to some other woman. She then began telling me about how good he was in bed and how she is so angry with him for doing her like he did her after she had been with him for 5 years. Finally, she says to me he was African American. The first thing that went through my head was, "Oh shyt, this woman wants me to console her and help her to figure out why this black man did this to her" After all, I am a black woman so I would surely know right? She then went on to tell me that the brotha' married a black woman and at times through out the conversation she referred to that woman as a bytch. She later stated to me that she only wants a black man that she couldn't even imagine a penis not black going up in her. I led her on even more so in order to get her more comfortable with being who she really is, that being a exploiter of black men. Then I wounded up showing her some pictures of my African male friends who come straight from the mother land. She was telling me how fine and black they were and she had concluded that she was interested in an African from the continent, that from looking at their pictures, she thinks she would be more so attracted to them. She even asked me to hook her up.

If you are all wondering, I did ask her why didn't she like Latino men and her answer was, get this "They have small dycks and they are not fun"

Does this woman not know what she was doing and basically saying? Did she actually think I as a black woman took all she said as a comment to black men?

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 05:03 PM
Ooookay, so Sista is a complete idiot and needs to go to the lunatic farm.

Moving on...this was a good discussion.

Sista 03-30-2007 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1420932)
You need to calm down psycho. Your post could have easily been interpreted as talking about people "acting black". How you don't know what that means is kind of beyond me.
Psycho? Well look what we have hear, the perfect gentleman :rolleyes:


In your original post, you asked me a question which was, "are you talking about acting black?" Before I could answer your question, you proceeded on to answer it for me.


Conclusion: Only guilty people tend to accuse people of what they themselves really are but would rather keep it a secret. You accused me of being a psycho. Only a Psycho would pose a question verbally or in text and the then answer his own question shortly after.:D

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420935)
I am so glad that there are actually some critical thinkers in this forum.;) Thank you for breaking down what my post was really all about.

You are right, I was not speaking from my voice, I was speaking as the voice of the people who actually believe that black people are this, or black people are that, or black people are better at this and terrible at that. What ever it is they feel that they lack which will make them more of a real person, they feel as though having someone black around them will fulfill what they lack. It is another form of slavery, yet it is very subtle and believe it or not, some black people cheerfully take these roles in which they rescue or save non black people from their boring lives. You can see this happening in the rapp music industry if you look very closely.


I was at the gym the other day and I met this Latino girl, she was telling me about this dude she had just broken up with and how immediately after their break up, he got married to some other woman. She then began telling me about how good he was in bed and how she is so angry with him for doing her like he did her after she had been with him for 5 years. Finally, she says to me he was African American. The first thing that went through my head was, "Oh shyt, this woman wants me to console her and help her to figure out why this black man did this to her" After all, I am a black woman so I would surely know right? She then went on to tell me that the brotha' married a black woman and at times through out the conversation she referred to that woman as a bytch. She later stated to me that she only wants a black man that she couldn't even imagine a penis not black going up in her. I led her on even more so in order to get her more comfortable with being who she really is, that being a exploiter of black men. Then I wounded up showing her some pictures of my African male friends who come straight from the mother land. She was telling me how fine and black they were and she had concluded that she was interested in an African from the continent, that from looking at their pictures, she thinks she would be more so attracted to them. She even asked me to hook her up.

If you are all wondering, I did ask her why didn't she like Latino men and her answer was, get this "They have small dycks and they are not fun"

Does this woman not know what she was doing and basically saying? Did she actually think I as a black woman took all she said as a comment to black men?
Shut up, idiot.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420944)
Conclusion: Only guilty people tend to accuse people of what they themselves really are but would rather keep it a secret. You accused me of being a psycho. Only a Psycho would pose a question verbally or in text and the then answer his own question shortly after.:D

Either you really are a psycho or just play one when you post on Greekchat.

Sista 03-30-2007 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420946)
Either you really are a psycho or just play one when you post on Greekchat.

Are you angry?

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by laylo (Post 1420921)
I think you might have missed her use of quotes.
She also missed the question mark.

If she isn't talking about "acting black" and how nonblacks attempt to relate to black people, her entire point is moot and stupid as far as I'm concerned. So macallan was right even if he misread her post.

DSTCHAOS 03-30-2007 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sista (Post 1420948)
Are you angry?
No but you managed to turn a good discussion into an idiotic hissy fit.

Sista 03-30-2007 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1420781)
Because you don't understand what she was saying?

Your original post in response to mines, clearly shows that at first, you didn't understand what I saying either. You later came back and broke it down using you critical thinking to express that I may have been speaking in second person, which I was but that was not what you originally stated.


Now your pride from my first direct post to you won't let you see where you originally made your mistake in critiquing my post. You must be some type of on line guru for greekchat and you don't want your status threatened by my analysis of what you did.

Sista 03-30-2007 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1420875)
I got that she felt that black people should not accept nonblack people who try to "act black" in order to try to get in with black people who they perceive as being real, hip, and trendsetting. I could be wrong about this interpretation ... Sista?

Right ;)


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