Originally Posted by James (Post 1400331)

Blueangel. Stop Stop Stop.

You are seeking to redefine the argument on the basis of an unproven/unsuggested presuppositon. You have not shown that there is even the smallest chance this kid has PW syndrome.

Nor have you made any reference to the myriad other symptoms that a PW-child would be blatantly manifesting all her life.

You persist in defending these parents for no discernible reason. Do they pay you? :)

Also, if the child had a medical problem, the parents would be even more at fault for not treating the child properly.

If they have just overfed an otherwise healthy kid . . that makes them simply stupid.

If they have failed to treat an underlying medical condition . . . that makes them stupid and malicious.

To change the situation a bit, if the child had some bacterial infection that made her fat, and required life long medication, I doubt you would be sympathetic to the parents if they didn't give her the medication because the child complained and she had uncomfortable side effects.

Oh, and hasn't the child lost a lot of weight? From restricting her calories?

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1400829)

James... are you doing some selective reading here? Each time I mentioned PW syndrome in relation to this child, I was careful to say that we don't know if she had it. I think people are too quick to judge other parents when they don't have all of the facts.

Further, when Drolefille made her last post to me I said, "I see your point."

Now, what is your problem?

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1400829)

I was careful to say that we don't know if she has it. I think people are too quick to judge other parents when they don't have all of the facts.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1400852)

So does PW syndrome go undetected for years before it shows up on tests or something? Are the doctors and family not releasing this syndrome info to the public because they'd rather the parents be blamed or something? Or is it just a matter of inconsistent results of the hospitals' tests like what often happens with Lupus?

As already stated, this little girl has been to hospitals, has had television segments dedicated to her, and has a website. No mention of any disorder. However, there was a televised story on another little girl about a year ago who had this disorder, I believe. It was documented and that's the first thing they mentioned when the television show aired her story. Maybe this is the same little girl, I don't know.

The good thing is that she HAS lost 100 lbs. I hope she can make up for the damage the extra weight did.

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1400863)

She's already agreed to this point btw.

Originally Posted by Dionysus (Post 1400871)

This discussion is boring. Drolefille and blueangel...uh stop it.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Originally Posted by James (Post 1400851)

Blueangel, review the post order, your agreement with drolefile came after my post. I don't believe I have commented about your genetic disease argument since then.

And yes you did mention that the child may not have the disease, however again go back and read your posts.

You kept countering other people's contention that the parents were at fault by using the child's theoretical and unproven disease state. . . her not having it was an after thought.

Also, you kept presenting that even though the counter argument was that the disase was ultimately irrelevant to the parental responsibility to STOP over feeding.

So you persisted in a flawed argument that was based more on emotion than anything else.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1400852)

So does PW syndrome go undetected for years before it shows up on tests or something? Are the doctors and family not releasing this syndrome info to the public because they'd rather the parents be blamed or something? Or is it just a matter of inconsistent results of the hospitals' tests like what often happens with Lupus?

Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1400892)

I hope you get tapeworms.

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1400886)

Unless you're in the parent's shoes, you have no idea what it's raising a child with PWS.

My point is that we shouldn't judge when we don't know all the facts. Perhaps the parents are at fault. WE DON'T KNOW!

Originally Posted by James (Post 1400923)

The counterpoint is, it doesn't make a difference what its like to raise such a child.

It only makse a difference on the actual food that you allow that child to eat.

Please concede the point that regardless how emotionally draining it is to have a child with a voracious appetite, whether nature or nurture, it still does not require the parent to put food in the child's mouth.

And it requires food ton get fat like that. Contrary to wishful thinking you can't get heavy like that by just absorbing weight from the air.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1400779)

rodent chow

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1400903)

PWS does not go undetected, then show up on tests later. It is usually seen in children at young as 6 months when two-way peristalsis is formalized.

I think PWS is a chromosomal rearrangement similar to that of Down's Syndrome, Philadelphia Chromosome and the Fragile X. Which means the genetic counselors give the final diagnosis at karyotype.

If the physicians suspected child abuse, they are mandated by law to report it. Since there segments about this kid, and the parents were not jailed, then who knows? Maybe there is a social worker involved?

Depending on where this child lives and what physicians she is seeing, if it is not a University Teaching Hospital, then I doubt she is getting the best care until recently. Media attention tends to bring out the lookie-loos. And physicians are rather vain...

Originally Posted by Dionysus (Post 1400871)

This discussion is boring. Drolefille and blueangel...uh stop it.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Originally Posted by blueangel (Post 1400977)

Ah... but you missed the part about the extremely low calories a person with PW Syndrome must maintain in order to be a normal weight. James, please do try to keep up.

Originally Posted by centaur532 (Post 1401313)

Well personally I blame Mcdonald's and the rest of the food industry for making their processed comestibules so delicious that she was unable to resist their allure.
I think they should be sued.

Originally Posted by BaylorBean (Post 1401002)

PWS is a genetic imprinting disease of the 15th chromosome. Inheriting a 15th chromosome with a deletion in a certain area from the father or both chromosomes from the mother causes PWS. Angelman's is the reverse of PWS (deleted chromosome from mother or both chromosomes from the father). It is a disease that has some pretty obvious characteristics that are caught quite early on in development.

So if this was PWS it would have been caught much earlier.

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1401317)

Sue the cows for tasting so yummy when ground up and fried/grilled/put into a taco

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1401572)

See, I get these 2 disorders mixed up!!! I guess when you are injecting rodents with recombinant DNA constructs, then anything can happen... ;)

However, I do know parents of PWS and what they were telling me, they found out at 6 months. The food hoarding behavior starts when they can access the food, meaning they have some level of learning where the food is... That's why the parents have to lock up the food.

Originally Posted by BaylorBean (Post 1401631)

I always got them mixed up too. It really sucks when one of your profs is one of the leading researchers in the disease. (Really really sucks!)

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1401721)

That has to be worse than reading the textbook written by your professor. I can't imagine what I'd do if one of my professors started citing him/herself. Ugh.