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Tom Earp 02-21-2007 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1401885)
This is exactly why I don't like responding to you....you have the reading comprehension skills of a piece of bark. I'm narrow minded because my priorities are with the chapter in which I pledged? You are an idiot.



I never said it did dumbass. At what point in my response did I say anything like that? What the hell is wrong with you? I live in the South, if you didn't realize that. My friends all go to schools in the South. Southern Greek life and chapters in the South are what I know. Sorry if I'm not going to pretend that i'm big time SAE buddies with every guy at every chapter nationwide.



Are you kidding me? You equate loyalty to your own chapter as showing disrespect to the overall organization? Sweet God you are a moron. Please explain this to me because my head is about to explode.



No Tom......people at other schools don't have any pull over what happens with our chapter. Me and my fraternity brothers at Texas have that control. The decisions that WE make as a chapter are what we "live and die by".





Why do you write mindless crap like this? Nothing about any of this has to do with this thread or even the question that you posed. You asked a very simple question...........and the response you got wasn't what you wanted to hear. I would imagine if I said something along the lines of "Oh gee willikers, every SAE at every school in the country is my eternal brother and I will look upon him the same as I do my brothers at my respective chapter. Its ok that they don't have anything in common with me and don't share the same ideals because their SAE's!!!!!!" "Also, everytime I hear of a chapter closing, my heart breaks and my tears weep in sorrow for my unfortunate Phi Alpha SAE Brothers."

If you are going to be a moron and type out sputtering sentence fragments and one line rebuttals.........don't bother.
OKAY DOKY! Impressive!:rolleyes:

I FEEL THE SAME WAY ! Hell, we all do!

But, SAE is not the only GLO on Earth!

You need to work with people and People from Other GLOS. Get the program?

macallan25 02-21-2007 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1401899)
OKAY DOKY! Impressive!:rolleyes:

I FEEL THE SAME WAY ! Hell, we all do!

But, SAE is not the only GLO on Earth!

I'm actually trying to be civil here......because my head is about to explode.

Do you even read the garbage that you type? You trying to stay focused on a single topic is about as unlikely as Tito Jackson winning a Grammy.

I am well aware that SAE is not the "only GLO on earth". You asked a simple question about loyalty to your chapter/nationals/schools....so I answered it.

As for this:
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You need to work with people and People from Other GLOS. Get the program?
I don't even know what this means. Actually, I'm just going to go ahead and say no, I don't. I have friends in many different fraternities.......do I feel the need to involve myself in their affairs?.....no. Why would I?.....and vice versa. Outside of having social relationships with other fraternities, I have no need to "work" with them on anything, whatever the hell that means.

Tom Earp 02-21-2007 06:40 PM
That is the point. U just do not get it!:(

shinerbock 02-21-2007 07:17 PM
Why should we work with other GLO's. I didn't join them all, I joined one that I liked. We're not one big greek world. I'm sorry, but my fraternal ties don't overcome stark differences in other areas. I didn't go through pledgeship with people from other chapters. They don't act, dress, or think the same way as me. The fact that they wear the same letters as me and believe in what our fraternity stands for is not sufficient for me to regard them like I do people in my chapter.

I know this is a shock to some people, but the fraternity (as an org, not the people in my chapter) is not overly high on my list of important things. I'd rank my faith, my family, my country, my school, and my friends ahead of it.

macallan25 02-21-2007 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1401948)
That is the point. U just do not get it!:(
No, I don't get why you think "working with other GLOs" in an effort to be one gigantic ball of Greekdom is something that you think is so incredibly important. I don't. That really isn't something that I think is necessary or productive. Like Shinerbock said, I joined my fraternity because I wanted to be a part of it and because I liked it, not so I could make an effort to involve myself with a bunch of other fraternities.

So instead of you blurting out sentence fragments and telling me that I don't get it..........perhaps you can enlighten me on just what it is that you are talking about in reference to "working with other GLOs."

Tom Earp 02-21-2007 07:37 PM
Guess it just said it all by the two above Posters!:(

I really do feel sorry.

macallan25 02-21-2007 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1401971)
Guess it just said it all by the two above Posters!:(

I really do feel sorry.
What the hell is it that you feel sorry for us about? That we are/were productive members of our fraternities at our own schools? Do you expect us to go on some nationwide tour of different fraternities in an effort to unify various Greek Organizations? That may be on your agenda, but it certainly isn't on mine. Graduating, working, having a good time with the fraternities and sororities AT MY OWN school, and figuring out life after undergrad are a few of the things that are high up on my list of priorities.

I'm not even kidding anymore.........what you say on here is some of the most ridiculous and idiotic crap I have ever read. I honestly don't think I have ever come accross someone that is so utterly incapable of rational thought as you. The fact that I have asked you at least three times to explain yourself without you even coming close to doing so is a mere testament to the level of dumb in which you have achieved.

Good day sir.

ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl 02-21-2007 09:22 PM
In my opinion pledging to be loyal to your organization is a promise to be honored. I'm not going to like every Alpha Gam on the planet...heck I'm not even going to like every single Alpha Gam that goes through my chapter. But we all promised loyalty to Alpha Gamma Delta. Not just to our chapter, but to Alpha Gamma Delta and to each other...not everyone sees it the same way, but I wouldn't have joined and made promises just to have a social club...I take promises and loyalty seriously and I feel I have an obligation to my sisters, whether I like them or not, whether they are like me or not.

As for Greek unity, it's a valuable concept. It doesn't mean putting all your time and effort into someone else's organization, it just means cooperating, being nice, civil, and sometimes compromising for the greater good, which strengthens a school's Greek system and benefits everyone. It's really not that hard and it's very beneficial.

shinerbock 02-21-2007 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl (Post 1402023)
In my opinion pledging to be loyal to your organization is a promise to be honored. I'm not going to like every Alpha Gam on the planet...heck I'm not even going to like every single Alpha Gam that goes through Gamma Upsilon. But we all promised loyalty to Alpha Gamma Delta. Not just to our chapter, but to Alpha Gamma Delta and to each other...not everyone sees it the same way, but I wouldn't have joined and made promises just to have a social club...I take promises and loyalty seriously and I feel I have an obligation to my sisters, whether I like them or not, whether they are like me or not.

As for Greek unity, it's a valuable concept. It doesn't mean putting all your time and effort into someone else's organization, it just means cooperating, being nice, civil, and sometimes compromising for the greater good, which strengthens a school's Greek system and benefits everyone. It's really not that hard and it's very beneficial.
Nobody said anything about a social club. I have a strong bond with the members of my chapter. I can identify with them, we have similar backgrounds, opinions, and beliefs. I can't do that with a lot of people from our other chapters. I think for a lot of fraternity members, there are probably other fraternities that they can identify with, if they were members. They probably even believe in many of the same ideals as fraternities different from their own. What separates your own fraternity from the one across the street? Experiences, similarities, personal bonds. Those same things separate me from members in our chapter at California University at Hippieville. I'm sorry, but unless I have some personal experience with people from other chapters, if they're completely different from me, our similar beliefs in strong but possibly vague principles aren't going to provide an unbreakable bond.

fabulousxi 02-23-2007 12:49 AM
I can relate to shinerbock completely...I've met several members from different chapters across the nation. However, just because they are in the same national fraternity does not mean that I am automatically going to treat them as if they were my pledge brothers. Most of the other chapters are not people that I would normally hang out with. Now, I'm not saying that is terrible...just that they are different from me. It's not being narrow minded...its just reality

Also, I think ElephantWalk disappeared after ragging on the arkansas xi chapter...

Tom Earp 02-23-2007 04:25 PM
Granted not each Chapter is the same and may not be what We as individuals would expect. But, each GLO went through the same Ritual and pledged their Honor to their Sisters and Brothers

As far as working together as GLO's, yes it is important.

If any really have an idea, then that is why there are Conferences of GLO's set up who are working together.

I for one am proud to call people from other GLO's my friends.:)

Some need to be much more open minded. The world is much bigger that just being "I"!

shinerbock 02-23-2007 04:42 PM
I just don't really care about other fraternities. I like seeing the greek system at my school thrive, but I don't really care about what happens at Oswego State.

macallan25 02-23-2007 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1402846)
Granted not each Chapter is the same and may not be what We as individuals would expect. But, each GLO went through the same Ritual and pledged their Honor to their Sisters and Brothers

As far as working together as GLO's, yes it is important.

If any really have an idea, then that is why there are Conferences of GLO's set up who are working together.

I for one am proud to call people from other GLO's my friends.:)

Some need to be much more open minded. The world is much bigger that just being "I"!
You never said anything about simply having friends in other chapters. I have plenty of friends that are in other fraternities.

As far as working with other fraternities.....I still have no idea what you are talking about. I have been to plenty of nationwide SAE events.....and they certainly weren't attended by a bunch of other fraternities. Perhaps you are talking about Alumni groups from different chapters collaborating with each other. I dunno......I'm sure you won't be able to explain it anyways.

ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl 02-23-2007 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1402846)
Granted not each Chapter is the same and may not be what We as individuals would expect. But, each GLO went through the same Ritual and pledged their Honor to their Sisters and Brothers
This is what I was talking about. A promise is a promise. I didn't say be best buddies with everyone in the whole orginzation. But if I meet an Alpha Gam I'm going to treat her as a sister, because that's what I promised to do, even if she's completely heinous.

Tom Earp 02-23-2007 06:29 PM
I agree, but there seem to be some who do not agree! They are in such a samll world that they cannot seem to see beyond the "I" syndrom and the here and now.:rolleyes:

Oh Well, they will never see byond the small noses!:rolleyes:

macallan25 02-23-2007 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1402897)
I agree, but there seem to be some who do not agree! They are in such a samll world that they cannot seem to see beyond the "I" syndrom and the here and now.:rolleyes:

Oh Well, they will never see byond the small noses!:rolleyes:
Hey asshat.........neither of us said we wouldn't treat other members nicely and with respect.


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