That's exactly what I'm getting at, as well. It seems like a much better idea to allow the CPC to vote on expansion FIRST before getting these girls hopes up.

Yep, we've done that too. :) Emailed the chair, I mean. Why are you suggesting "someone" email the NPC chair on a national message board, anyway?

Also, we don't have our hopes up. We have having a blast as it is, getting together and doing community service, and learning how to work together overall. Over half of our group are rising seniors, so if this doesn't work out in terms of affiliating, we will still have memories of having a great time.

I'd want either a Bashkir Curly or a Paso Fino.

Because as I said, in the same post you're quoting, that it sounds FISHY.

Chances are, it probably already happened.

I know of at least 3 NPC VP-Extensions who read GC daily.

If someone has already been called, it is perfectly fine. I honestly feel like we have nothing to hide.

Oh, and I think I'd like a dappled mare. :D I would definitely ride it to class.

I <3
Sheila

Seriously...our org could be one chosen to present (doubtful, due to lack of presence in the area, but it COULD happen), why would we blow a chance at possible expansion???

I think the confusion came from wondering why an official meeting was being sponsored by the Greek advisor(s) when it wasn't clear what exactly the meeting was for. If it was a meeting to let everyone know there was an interest group and for the whole Greek community to ask questions about the official extension process...that's fine and what should be happening.

However, it came across as though the Greek advisors were presenting this interest group as having the "stamp of approval" and holding a meeting partly to help them recruit new members when it wasn't clear if the CPC had voted to open for expansion or not.

There were other posts - since deleted - that confirmed this latter view.

Yes, thank you for the clarification 33girl. It is indeed a meeting to let everyone know there is an interest group, and it is intended for the whole Greek community (as well as non-affiliated girls) to come and ask questions.

Lord People. Obviously you ALL missed the LOL part of my sentence. GET A GRIP.

My god, yes people are over-reacting.

In addition, I was simply pointing out the fact that IF someone thought things weren't being done correctly they COULD send an email on it so DISCRETION is always better. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here who's on a first name basis with their GLO's NPC Delegate.

Exactly. (I hadn't even noticed they were deleted)

those of us who have been on gc for a while have pretty much learned how to read posts from regular posters-new people don't have the history to understand that things that may appear inferred or veiled, may just be the tone that a particular poster usually posts in.

i have to admit i raised an eyebrow at a couple of posts-it sounded like some posters were calling foul, forgetting that the women doing the explaining might not have the extensive npc background that others have, therefore, they are not able to explain the actual process that the school is using.

we all need to untwist our panties, calm down, and wish this group luck-that is, if the we haven't totally turned them off from affiliating with an npc sorority.

Just to clarify, I didn't accuse you of threatening anyone. I wrote that the posts came across as threatening. There's a difference. People were wondering why lauroo615 was feeling threatened and I merely explained why.

FSUZeta, I second your post!

I agree. We're so quick to pounce on the GC newbies who don't have as much experience with NPC terminology or processes.

Well put, FSUZeta.

It should be interesting to see how it all plays out. I wish the group well.

Apparently what started all the fuss was my response to a particular post (again, since deleted by the poster, who is a member of an NPC group). My intent was to clear up misconceptions in that post (mainly, that NPC would tell the school what sorority they were getting) and warn them of problems they may encounter (mainly, the chance all the members of the interest group would not be chosen to colonize the national). If I was too blunt in doing so, well, so be it.

expansion
 

Irishpipes gave a detailed account of AOPi going onto the Rose-Hulman campus last year. She indicated that there was some discussion in the Panhellenic about allowing the interest group to be allowed to expand as a national NPC group. I was wondering how successful they have been as a third group. Were the other groups welcoming? Have they done well in their first rush?

It is great when the welcome mat is out for expansion. When there is some tension, as she indicated, I just wondered how well the new group had done on campus so far. Have they been installed?

Something else to chew on...
 

Hello everyone!

Here is an article written in our school newspaper about our possible...well...you know!

Check it out! http://theapp.appstate.edu/content/view/2024/43/

It didn't reflect 100% of what we wanted to say (we definitely do NOT want a "change on campus", and they didn't care to write that we wanted to become a part of the greek community as a whole, but, oh well.) but overall I think we're happy with it. :)

Our interest meeting is in a few days! Oh man! I'm excited AND nervous about this...

I might definately be in a minority saying this, but how much more diverse do you want greek life sororities to be? I personally find 7 a good assortment. It would be different if there were like two or three. Yes, out of 26 Nationals, 7 isn't a lot, but you have to look at the campus. Is there enough interest to support another chapter? I think it would be different if we weren't hearing that all but 1 (if I remember correctly from what I've read on this thread) are at total, but one chapter isn't. To me, how can a campus be ready for expansion when there is a chapter not at total. Yes, I remember reading that this chapter hasn't been at total for a number of years, but seriously greek life in general is only as strong as your weakest link.

Obviously, I don't go to appstate (my best friend did), but I have to agree with the lady from Chi Omega who said that she wanted the current chapters to become stronger before adding another one.

Plus, with the possible switch to formal fall (the article said that the decision hadn't been formalized yet) no one knows how many women will be interested in participating and joining greek life.

I think greek life is wise in holding back for expansion until they see how a formal fall goes.

Is the campus using the new release figures?

My husband is a Rose alumnus and AOII was extremely visible on campus when we went to Rose homecoming last year. While I cannot speak for that chapter, I do believe they have been as successful as an organization can be on a small campus that is predominantly male.

There's a great link on the Rose AOII website on the steps the SIG took to bring another organization on campus and the timeline it entailed. Link

I know Tri Delta at Rose had a similar founding more than 10 years ago through an SIG. They were the second NPC organization on campus, preceeded by Chi Omega.

I disagree. While I don't have an opinion about App State, this reasoning hasn't played out historically. Sometimes one or more chapters are below total and/or do not take quota because of an image problem, and fair or not, PNMs have decided they would rather not be Greek than join that chapter. They might very well consider a new, untainted chapter. Like I said, I have no idea what the situation is at App State, but some chapters just won't ever become stronger, no matter what Panhellenic does.

I respect your opinion, and I appreciate your reply!

However, only one organization is truly under total, the rest are flourishing. Even this group has an incredibly large spring class, and therefore has grown significantly from the fall. Spring recruitment overall went extraordinarly well, except for the roughly 50 women who did not find homes.

Not including these ~50 women, our interest group includes 55 women. I'm definitely not positive on this, but I believe total at Appalachian is 80 women.

Class time!

Thanks ISUKappa. You pretty much summed it up perfectly. We are hoping to charter this semester.

Were the new release figures used?

I don't think I'm understanding so I'll ask :D

Okay are you saying that if you counted the 50 women who didn't bid match and the 55 in your interest group, that over 100 women haven't "found their home"?

I guess it doesn't make sense to me (emphasis on to me, I'm not understanding it) to include the interest group number unless every woman in the interest group has gone through formal with an open mind and didn't bid match. In that case, yeah no home was found.
Great point! Didn't think of it that way. So very true!

Yes. I agree 100%.

So do I.:)

I just read in our forum that quota was 17. If this is true, isn't that kind of a low quota to be adding a new chapter? I don't know enough about formal recruitment, but isn't quota based on how many women are participating in formal recruitment?

I don't know it just seems that if quota is 17 and quota is based on girls going through formal, 17 x 7 (number of houses) than the "total" would be 119. That just seems like a really small number if lauroo615 said approximately 50 women didn't bid match, which would leave 69 women that did. (These numbers sound off though, again I don't know enough about formal to know how quota is calculated).

It seems that if the numbers are accurate that there are some things that need to be worked out in sorority recruitment before they add another chapter. You want all your chapters to be strong before you add another competitor to the playing field.

Can anyone shed any light on the numbers and how many chapters made quota and how many didn't?

Like I said the quota I got was from my forum, when another sister posted the FR results. She listed quota and bids accepted. For our chapter at ASU she listed 17 as quota and bids accepted as 19, hence where I got the number of 17. :D

One way Quota is set without using ranges
 

Quota is set based on the number of PMs who participate at a certain point. Let’s say there are 6 sororities, 4 rounds: Open house, Philanthropy, Sisterhood and Preference. Panhellenic decides to set Quota based on the number of women accepting Preference invitations. 150 women register for recruitment but by Preference, 100 accept, so Quota is 17.

Whenever expansion does occur, it is preferable that all chapters are at or above Total. That doesn't always happen especially if a chapter is so small that it isn't competative numbers wise. At that point, the chapter needs to decide if it is going to fish or cut bait. Who knows? They may be happy with thier size.

Thank you for the clarification!

Is there a quota set before preference, so that chapters have a general idea?

It isn't usually finalized before then. You have an estimate because you know how many PNMs are left, but there's no way to know how many will be left by Pref night for certain. Based on aopirose's example, estimated quota would have started at 25 (150/6) and worked its way down to 17 as girls dropped out or were completely cut.

You can look at statistics for previous years and guess but it's never certain.

Actually that's sort of the "old way" to set quota...if it's an RFM campus - which App is then quota is set as a quota range. Quota is run numerous times during bid matching to see which number works out best for the chapters and the pnm's involved. There were 112 women left in pref - why quota wasn't 16 I am unsure...

BUT we need to see the forest through the trees....quota has been:
2006 - 13
2005 - 13
2004 - 10!!!

I would like to see quota stabilize at 19 - or even 20 and the weaker group allowed a rush or 2 of final cultivation - even recolonization if that group chooses- before bringing a new group on.

Just based on my campus's experience with bring a new chapter on, the presentations were in the Fall of '05 and they're just now coming onto campus in the Fall of '07, so there'd be 2 more years of rush first. If the number of PNMs stays stable the other chapters will have a chance.

I don't know what campus you are on but that is not a typical timeline. Many times you present in the spring, come on the the next semester (fall). Or present in the fall and come on in the spring.

I have been invovled in processes where you got on within a month of getting accepted. I have also been involved in one where it was longer than a year but a major housing inititative was involved.

Interesting. That was Saint Louis University, and for all I know there were other issues involved (no houses though) in delaying.

Appalachian says YES to expansion!!
 

I wanted to let you all know that last week the Panhellenic Council at Appalachian unanimously voted in favor of expansion! Of course it is much to early to know who will be presenting, or exactly when presentations will take place. To the best of my knowledge (which being out of school now over a year is very limited), presentations will take place this semester, and colonization will begin during the fall semester. I am very proud of all the growth at my Alma Mater!! Let's go Mountaineers!! :D

Congrats Appalachian! I think this is a terrific time for expansion there. My best friend is an alum and he's told me that the number of applications for admission has gone up substantially this year, thanks to the recognition brought through the big win by the football team over Michigan and the three straight national championships! Appalachian is growing so it's great that Greek life can grow along with it! :)

Is there any truth to another fraternity colonization as well?

No idea.
 

I can't speak for the guys, but I wouldn't be surprised. They have already colonized two new fraternities (DTD and ASPhi) in the past three years!

Ohhhh exciting! My BIL is a recent Alumnus of App State and DH and I went down there for his graduation last spring. Boone is a BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL place, except for all that dang fog LOL! We almost drove off the side of a mountain without realizing it. I didnt want to leave when I was there. The campus is just breathtaking. YAY for App State and whatever wonderful NPC org that will have the priveledge of having a new chapter at such an awesome university!