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I really do understand that these are already in the media and that these issues are useful to other chapters, but it just seems like a lot of this is just over exposed...discussing what happens in these chapters isn't really our business, and this doesn't even seem like discussion. It's just trash talk from a lot of people who want to send out an opinion just to say something. I mean, if we have to actually alert other chapters that we could get in trouble for forcing a group of students to drink large amounts of alcohol then we're just kinda dumb, aren't we? Aren't these things that we already know? Isn't this why we already go to alcohol training? We're not discussing things here, or alerting anyone...we're just talking trash about other chapters who have had problems. That just destroys any sense of loyaty we have. I mean, I realy do think that there are somethings that are traditions that should just leave well enough alone because without traditions and rituals you die...not every chapter takes it to the extreme and we need to realize that. I just can't stand so many people badmouthing their brothers and sisters...especially one's the don't know. And really, hazing isn't even as bad as what people make it out to be. There are extreme cases and they happen, but if people were to take a look at the number of greek chapters across the world and compare it to the number of severe hazing incidents it really wouldn't be that high from what I've seen. I just think that people take a lot of this too far...and it gives us more death and grief then if we would have just supported our brothers and sisters. That is what we are here for is family...and wouldn't you stand behind family no matter what? I would. I understand your position, but please try to understand mine.
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If they KNEW that, there wouldn't be deaths due to forcing people to drink large amounts of alcohol now would we?
There is ZERO excuse for pledges dying. NONE. You don't get a pass on getting talked about just because you're in a GLO (or my GLO). No one here thinks that every Greek is bad. But WTH are we supposed to do? Pat XYZ on the back when a pledge dies and say "eh, you meant well" ???? |
No Stuff. Where have you been?
It is wrong, it is wrong and will be wrong and stupid on their parts!:mad: If they as new possible members are good enough to be brought to the GLO why debase them? Teach them about your GLO and lead them, not s**T on them!:mad: |
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Something dealing with Greek Row... the new movie Amanda Bynes movie Sydney White is going to be filming some scenes at UCF/Rollins/Winter Park/Downtown Orlando, among them is at the old UCF Pike house...They sort of made it look nice like a room is all pinkish stuff now (of course I think we all know how Pike's house is unlivable unless a LOT of $$$$$$ is put in to fix it).
Can't tell ya'll anything else coz it's pretty much under wraps, so check out the movie when comes out in 2008 =) |
I was on campus last night and saw both houses all lit up with tons of people! It was kinda strange. My little told me about the movie. Sounds interesting.
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I just read in The Journal (our National magazine) that a sorority is moving into our UCF chapter house. Anyone know who?
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According to the last email I received, UCF is exercising their rights to purchase both the Sig Ep and SAE houses, so no one will be moving in any time soon.
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what a shame. i was hoping one of the unhoused sororities would get a chance to have a house.
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I'm not sure if it's just our National's 'spin', but the article mentioned that they were able to maintain the house for our 'eventual return to campus' and that it was going to be leased to a sorority.
I just got my copy this week. Maybe things have changed. |
Well, I've been talking a lot to the UCF Vice-Presidents (especially the one dealing with legal matters), and although it's not being said officially, they are going to try to turn Greek Row into Sorority Row of sorts. There are 3 empty houses and 4 sororities without houses (Kappa Alpha Theta, Chi Omega, Kappa Kappa Gamma, and Alpha Epsilon Phi). There are also 2 fraternities (Kappa Sigma and Alpha Tau Omega) as well as 1 suspended fraternity (Sigma Chi) that live on the street, so I'm not totally sure how or why they would oust them to make it "Sorority Row". I think that UCF feels more comfortable leasing out the houses to sororities than fraternities, as sororities haven't caused the same sort of havoc as the frats have on our campus.
I *reallllllllllly* hope it's us though!! It is very difficult being an off-campus sorority, since a majority of sororities are on on-campus. I'm sure some of the peple on this board understand! Apparently there was a meeting on Wednesday about the houses for recruitment (since SAE was kicked off and that's where we typically do recruitment, we are kinda SOL since the other 3 unhoused sororities usually do recruitment in fraternity houses that are still active) so that might shed some light on the whole leasing issue. I'll contact my recruitment chair and see what happened. |
I have a question for you fraternity alumni - how involved are advisors with the chapters? It always seemed to me that one reason fraternities got into more trouble was that they had few advisors, and less supervision.
I was a witness to the debacle at Texas State when Sigma Chi was kicked out - and I mean kicked out. The University VP who had originally sponsored the local swore they would never be back. I know that some stupid stuff happened because there wasn't an alum to tell them "no". Is that common? How many advisors does a chapter usually have? Do they just attend meetings and rush, or are they more "hands on"? |
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Great point and usualy Chapters have one designated Adviser. LXA Advisers are requried to get training and is paid for by the IHQ if any travel is needed. If a Chapter does not ahve one, they need one to help supervise them. When things get out of hand, they need a figure to help 'Advise" them when the screw up! Most do not enough sense to pour water out of a boot!:mad: |
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please keep us updated. i have long thought that ucf should have solved whatever environmental problem(gopher tortoise?) that was prohibiting the unhoused greeks building on the land set aside for their housing. hopefully leasing the empty fraternity houses will work out. |
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The new Greek area would hopefully be across from Academic Village. It stinks that the two Greek areas would not be nearby but hey, at least they will be there!! But with all the drama on our campus currently, the administration is in NO WAY excited to build another Greek housing community. I mean, not a chance (at least for a few years!!). All we can hope for now is that some of the unhoused chapters on our campus, whether they are fraternities or sororities, will get a chance at the houses that sit empty on greek row. I will keep you updated! |
I speak for so many when I say...
I hate those freaking turtles. |
Sigma Chi is suspended too? So, UCF has lost SAE, Pike, Sig Ep and Pi Kapp in the last 2 years and now Sigma Chi is suspended. If the fraternities keep this up, all the sororities will be housed because there won't be any fraternities left!
Has hazing gotten worse over the years at UCF or are the campus police just cracking down on it more? I was in Orlando a couple of weeks ago and my friends and me drove down Greek Row. It was sad to see the Sig Ep, Pike and SAE house all boarded up and vacant. Although, not to sound too mean :) , the Pike house could use a good fire. I don't know if they'll ever get it up to code after what those guys did to it. ETA: I always thought the whole turtle thing was just a rumor. |
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And adpiucf, I completely agree with your gopher tortoise sentiments!I hate those freaking things! |
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Hate to get into semantics: Suspended and probation are two different issues. Sigma Chi was on probation for the semester, not under suspension. |
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So is Sigma Chi now eligible to be off probation? I see in the earlier post that it was for the spring semester.
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Fingers crossed!
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Maybe it was peeling paint I saw? For all I know it could have been chunks of the house crumbling. There's no telling with that house! |
Pi Kappa Phi is suspended until 2011 (I just read the online Central Florida Future). All of the current collegians were given alumni status. (Pi Kapp was not a housed fraternity on Greek Row at UCF).
I am so bummed. I was at their installation banquet-- they had such a strong colonization and were such a great group of guys when I was a student. |
Wow... that is so sad. All the Pi Kapps I knew were great guys. Devastating.
How many fraternities are we going to lose? It seems like every time I turn around, another house has been suspended or had their charter pulled. |
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And not just CFU fraternities have been suspended or on probation. Zeta Tau Alpha is on Restrictive Probation until the end of fall of 2007. |
The Future (the school newspaper) reported the Pi Kapp suspension was thru 2011 and all of the members were given alumni status.
UCF sorority alumnae, are you thinking what I'm thinking? (I'm thinking... who's left to do homecoming?) |
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But I've also heard that a lot of the fraternities that were considered small chapters when we were in school are now large chapters. Phi Delt, Beta, DU, Theta Chi and a few others have grown a lot. |
A lot of the fraternities have grown. I think Greek Life still has a way of classifying which are large and which are small for Greek Week and Homecoming purposes but they have grown quiet a bit!
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Question for Central Florida NPC folk. (Or anyone else, for that matter, who might know.) During recruitment, does Panhellenic (say in the recruitment guide) note which chapters are on probation and for how long? (type and reason too?) The reason I ask is that usually, most IFCs require a chapter on probation (usually some sort of social probation) to do so - i.e. make it known to potential pledges. And more often than not, it is published in the rush guide too. |
The article is in the most recent issue of the paper.
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I think the web sites for the orgs and the Greek Life web sites should be taken with a grain of salt. Each year, those groups get all new webmasters, officers, etc, and updates in the summertime are rare, except for the dates for recruitment, perhaps. None of the UCF sororities in the last 10 years has been on any kind of probation that would affect them in the fall from having a successful recruitment. This isn't to say the chapters haven't had internal bumps in the road or probationary terms to meet, but they have not been handed down in such a way that would impact their ability to recruit and retain quality members. I've never heard of a UCF sorority having to disclose anything of the sort to nonmembers or PNMs, for that matter. The matters are considered internal and handled as such. I know of chapters that have had social probations and such-- this is usually handled in the spring time. If any additional terms fall over into the fall term, they usually are in the form of having to hold workshops. It makes no sense to punish the new members for actions that came before their time. |
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I agree about web sites being taken with a grain of salt. I've just been impressed with how UCF makes this information public and lists it on their website. And for the most part, being rather current as well. Quote:
"Restrictive Probation: The following organization is not permitted to host events involving alcohol. Any house parties, mixers, socials, events or recruitment activities must be alcohol-free (dry)." |
I don't know anything about the situation of the sorority in question, but I know several alumnae members of the chapter, all of whom I greatly respect. I have no doubt the sorority will handle any internal issues with great tact and conduct recruitment with respect for its sisterhood and PNMs.
And no, I don't think PNMs need to know if a chapter is on probation if that probation does not affect them adversely... What I mean by this is that plenty of chapters go on probationary periods at any given time during the school year, and often the terms include submitting chapter minutes, holding additional membership workshops, etc. I don't think this is something that needs to be broadcast if it is already being dealt with. In the case of a probation where the chapter may not hold any kind of social events or participate in university events, then yes, a certain amount of disclosure might be deemed necessary. But in my experience, sororities are loathe to put chapters on this kind of probation in the fall because it can affect fall recruitment numbers and the budget set for the chapter when an expected number of PNMs are anticipated to help meet that budget and housing costs with their dues. I don't think broadcasting "XYZ is on probation for hosting an unapproved social and now needs to have a workshop on the importance of meeting deadlines and submitting paperwork" does anything for anyone. If XYZ is on social probation, they can put a positive spin on it by promoting "Sisterhood Semester" and a huge variety of activities designed to celebrate their organization. It just depends... I would expect that advisers and nationals would work with the chapter officers to help a chapter complete a probation and if it is expected to affect recruitment, to find a "spin" to help them remain competitive. |
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Can we not talk about this anymore? |
Pi Kapp was (unfairly) suspended. However, please don't believe the OSI bullshit. We are currently using alternative methods to expose how corrupt and poorly run OSI is, which ultimately resulted in our initial suspension stemming from an '05 incident.
If you didn't know how poorly run and unjust OSI-Student Conduct is run, then you'll soon know. We're tired of sitting back and being trampled over while people make ignorant assumptions. |
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Secondly, I stand corrected- I meant to say probabtion, not suspended. My mistake! :( Third, my personal opinion on the subject of groups on probation is that, while PNMs should be smart enough to keep up with the information that is on the OFSL website themselves, they are generally pretty ignorant about it. I think it should be said, and possibly the rho gammas or exec board for recruitment might discuss why a group would recieve probation of any kind. On the other hand, doing so may have a huge affect on the chapter's recruitment. Either way, I don't feel that anything should be 'covered up' for the sake of recruitment. Finally, I'm not thrilled with the above poster who says they are going to "expose" OSI. I'm sure you are angry and upset with how things are happening, but it seems pretty clear to me (and a lot of my greek friends) that it was a pretty silly idea to hold a chapter event (with girls who will take lots of pictures and put them on facebook, nonetheless) when you are on social probation. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but I'm just surprised that no one stood up and said "This might just get us in more deep with the university than we already are". OSI is a fairly well run SGA entity, and I would suggest that if you have issues with the system, your best bet would be to discuss this with the office of Student Rights and Responsibilities, or talk to President Hitt about it at an Open Forum. Sorry for the crazy long post! |
First of all, brothers need to be made aware that under no circumstances should there ever be cameras at these events. You can't prevent camera phones, etc., but obviously, if someone is walking around snapping pictures with their digital camera, tell them to stop or leave.
Next, if you're drinking, plastic opaque cups are cheap. They should absolutely be used, no question. Lastly, talk to your chapter about what is and isn't okay to put on their myspace/facebook. Make sure your chapter's judicial officers have a policy for dealing with these sites. Pictures have brought down several chapters in recent weeks. It's best not to engage in the behavior that'd get you in trouble, but assuming that you do, just an ounce of preparation can avoid most myspace/facebook snafus. |
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