I think I would support Barack Obama before Hillary Clinton. There is something about him that is very likable and trustworthy.

I JUST started reading his latest book, so maybe I'll formulate better opinions after that.

Delt Alum, I believe governors do better because it's much easier to see a Senator's voting record and use it against him. No matter how in line a Sen's views are with the majority of the people, they'll always vote things that piss someone off or can be used in a campaign ad. Kerry blew it when he tried to explain his "flip flop" and the votes he made were logical.

Governor's can be active by saying "I'm going to change X" and even if they never accomplish it, it's not the Gov's fault, it's the legislators. Plus only one state will be pissed at him at a time.

/Sorry a bit of a ramble.

Centaur. I'm not a bigot. Prove me wrong. I absolutely dare you.

I could vote for a mormon without a problem. I have several Mormon friends, and my prime recommendation for law school was a Mormon professor (and my favorite undergrad prof). They are genuine, nice people who have high moral standards. As for the south, the SBC doesn't run the south. Obviously there will be a hold up, but seeing as Mitt will likely emerge as the most conservative realistic candidate, I don't think you'll see southerners swarming to the polls for McCain or a certain yank from NY. Unless something happens (scandal!), I think Mitt will be the GOP candidate. You can hold me to it.

Would you vote for someone who believes in Santa?

I might, if they'd be a good president. I think the Mormon faith is misguided, but come on, its not scientology or anything.

LOL, but it's pretty close, just without all the sci-fi crap.

I have a hard time saying I wouldn't vote for a Mormon because I know there are a lot of people who wouldn't vote for a Catholic, but I really don't know if I ever could. I do know that I wouldn't vote for Romney. ;)

Yeah, but you'd probably vote for Hillary...so we'll see who ends up on the winning side of that...

If it came down to McCain versus Clinton, I'd vote McCain everytime. Hillary's a horse-faced bitch. It's not that I don't think a woman can't do a president's job, I just think she's not the right woman.

That depends on what my options were. I like her in the Senate, I don't know that I'd like her in the White House.

Ideally I'd vote for Feingold but I don't think he'll run.

I just hope some new candidates pop up because I'm not a fan of any of them! I don't want a rematch like 04 where I had to decide between the lesser of two evils.

Feingold, I'm surprised he still lives in America after getting bitch slapped by Frist on the Senate floor.

I wouldn't really call Frist sticking his head in the ground like an ostrich being bitch-slapped.

I would, when you threaten something, and then somebody says "ok go for it" and then you wuss out, thats a pretty significant bitch slap.

so i just caught the daily show episode where they're reporting from new hampshire - its a hoot

Right, and Frist had never heard anything about wanting to censure Bush before. Maybe he was too busy diagnosing Terry Schiavo from afar to clean out his ears or read the paper.

Obama's announcement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WJsuM19-8c

What does Mr. GP think about Romney?

Just curious...

I personally am not a Frist fan, I was glad to see him drop his bid. However, Russ getting called out by Frist is indicative of the disconnect between Feingold and the mainstream left. He has about as much a chance as Santorum.

The irony is beautiful.

No the SBC certainly doesn't run the South -- only parts of it. (Just kidding.) And I know many good people who are Mormons as well.

But I also know many more Baptists and other evangelicals who consider Mormonism a cult, not that far from Scientology or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Check out Gallup's Poll on the subject (9th one down, I think). 66% of those polled said America isn't ready for a Mormon president -- only atheists and gays did worse.

I still say that I will be surprised if the GOP nominates Romney.

Yes, saying I'm glad I don't live somewhere is truly bigoted. What was I thinking?

Well, from the context as well as other comments you have made, it's pretty clear what you were thinking. You were thinking that the South is a backward, irrational, ultra-conservative, way-too religious place where people don't think for themselves, embrace creationism, are ignorantly horrified at the thought of gay rights and same-sex marriages, and don't have the idea that "everyone should get to be happy." It is a place that does not share your values and that you, therefore, would not be able to tolerate. Which gets us to "bigot."

It's alright. You can admit it. I wouldn't want live anywhere other than the South, and I can assure you that my feeling is due to largely to prejudices about other parts of the country, expecially the Northeast. (Well, that plus the weather and the accents.) I am, therefore and in this regard, a bigot, and I do not apologize for it at all.

I know mystic, but I think those polls are likely to change. Lets be honest, the country really hasn't been confronted with mormonism on a grand scale yet. Theres also difference between southern conservatives telling a pollster that they won't vote for a mormon, and in voting for someone like Hillary when it comes down to it. If there were another feasible candidate, I'd agree with you. McCain and Rudy just aren't going to cut it, especially if we get to a 3 person primary debate.

But apparently the viewpoint that gay marriage shouldnt be implemented makes one a bigot...

No? I can see the push polls now: "Would you be more or less likely to vote for Mitt Romney if you knew that he was a Mormon, and that Mormons have historically practiced polygamy?" Below the belt and misleading? Sure. But that won't stop anything. Ask McCain about South Carolina in 2000. Ask Matt Salmon about the Arizona gubernatorial race, when just a few weeks before the election, a third-party candidate ran ads linking Salmon's Mormonism to Colorado City, Arizona, and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Quite true. I don't think Romney vs. Hillary will be the issue, though. I'll be surprised if Romney is the GOP nominee, partially because I think many evangelicals, who may not publically admit that they would not vote to put a Mormon in the White House, will in fact not vote for him.

Who is gonna beat him? Everyone says he has the most buzz of any conservative candidate. McCain can't beat him in the primary, neither can Rudy. He was behind only Frist in the TN straw, and has done well in all the Iowa ones. I think being mormon will be something to overcome, but I don't think he'll have much competition when it gets going. McCain will have just as many, if not more problems luring voters in the GOP primaries. Rudy is not a serious candidate.

I'm sorry Shinerbock, I jumped the gun and assumed that you're homophobic. Please tell me your actual stance on gay rights and I won't call you names without evidential proof.

I asked him last night and he said he would not consider Romney's Mormon-ness but he thought that Romney was a little TOO conservative. Mr. GP is more libertarian than anything else and sometimes he surprises me. Not loving Romney was one of them...either that or he was trying to placate me during finals.

I don't know...I would consider Wisconsin voters pretty indicative of the "mainstream left."

Sounds like he and I are on the same page then.

I differ with him on the Mormon thing. We had a Mormon Congressman here in Oklahoma for awhile -- he really hooked up Salt Lake City while hosing us. I can live with the differences in faith. That's not a big deal. It's the Salt Lake connection which bugs me.

Geeky, you may be right. Perhaps I should have said something along the lines of the nationally electable left.

Centaur, I don't agree with gay marriage. I really don't care about civil unions. I mean, if people want civil unions, i'm not gonna protest. I won't be overly upset if they aren't implemented, however.

Kevin, I think he isn't bothered by the Mormon thing because he himself is a member of, a, um, less "prestigious" religion than ours. ;)

shiner, I think you may be right about nationally electable - I really do like Feingold though, he's been a fantastic senator for WI and I think he'd be fairly popular in the Midwest, although I don't know if he has national appeal.

That could be any religion... literally ANY religion :cool:

The only known legislation bearing his name = McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill, which "will take money out of politics."

Didn't work in 2002

Didn't work in 2004

Didn't work in 2006

And 2008 candidate McCain has already announced that he won't campaign under the terms of the bill he helped author, and will ignore and exceed the limits of M-F by raising his own funds - refusing federal funds.

McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill - big flop, praise Allah.

LOL!! That was a great episode :) I felt the past two elections were classic "douche vs. turd sandwich."

So, no concentious of oppinion on the OP?:rolleyes:

Are you asking for a consensus of opinion? I think that's what it's called, even at Pitt State. If that is so, read the thread! You will be enlighted by Greeks from Near and Far! DA!

OP on message boards always means original poster. And I am quite certain that we have a near consensus on opinions about the original poster in this thread.

You want our opinions on the OP? For real?

So, no schooling?