Ah.. yet another member of the Cult has swooped down to try to aid her fallen comrade.

Gotcha. Well, you could still cook up some crow with the recipes above.

(Is crow kosher? )

Only if it's circumcised.

I'm sorry, that one just popped out.

Uh huh...
Guess you have Drolefille. 33girl, jubilance1922 and kddani all on "ignore".. because they quoted what I said. Caught ya peekin' Daisy! :D

But it was a good one! :D

Hahahahaha.

I think that it might be. I'm not sure. I don't know what the rules of kashrut are for birds. I just don't know how many people would actually want to eat a crow. What kind of wine would you pair it with?

I would think because it's a scavenger it'd be a no-no. But this is coming from a Catholic so YMMV.

I want to say a red wine, but I have no logic for that :p

I thought so too. The only current NPC group that comes to mind is Alpha Xi Delta with the Sigma Nu connection.

What's the AZD/SN connection?

Is there a link to a discussion of that, I hadn't caught that particular discussion.

ETA: Daisy beat me to it! :D

OK. Now, I have to correct myself. A Xi D was founded as a Fraternity and is one today so there went that theory.

As for the Sigma Nu connection, "Several Sigma Nus assisted the fledgling group with organizational ideas." http://www.alphaxidelta.org/heritage_founders.asp

Drolefille - I don't know if there has ever been a discussion on GC about that particular statement of sororities being called such because of ties to a fraternity. However, that doesn't mean there wasn't one and I just missed it.

That's fine I was just being nosy :p

I would think a wine that you would pair with a game bird. Like a good fresh young Beaujolais or a rich Zin.

Sounds good. I think maybe I'll do a nice Crow Roast this weekend. All members of Teh Cult are invited to come. Please RSVP.

It's my understanding that female GLOs were founded so that women would have a society, like fraternities but completely separate.
BA, do you know who was founded as a 'sister' group to a brother fraternity? Wouldn't AEPhi be one?

I call bullshit as well and I find it quite offensive as well. Seeing how the word was coined for us.

Yes, the reference would appear to be to what would later be called little sister groups, not to what we would call sororities today, and certainly not to any current or former NPC members orgs.

I believe that I have seen references to little sister orgs being called "sororities" in the days before that term came to refer exclusively to women's "fraternities." While we all know that Gamma Phi Beta was the first org to use the term "sorority" rather than "fraternity" or "fraternity for women," it must be remembered that sororitas (sisterhood) is pure Latin that would have been known to almost any fraternity man in the mid-1880s, Latin and Greek being core elements of a classical education. (Some etymologies I have looked at show the earliest use in English of the word "sorority" to have been circa 1530. Wish I had an OED handy.)

In the mid- to late-1800s, some fraternities had fairly organized "sororities," if you will, "of little sisters." I know that fraternities at Hampden-Sydney, located in the same Virginia county as Farmville, did. (My great-grandmother and her sisters were part of that group -- she wore my great-grandfather's Pike badge, which I now have. I also have an old Pike history with pictures of that chapter from the 1880s -- those pictures show the "little sisters" together with the brothers, my great-grands included.)

I would not be surprised that the founders of ZTA were familiar with the practice and terminology at Hampden-Sydney and chose to distinguish themselves from it. At the same time, the founders of KD, Tri-Sigma and ASA may not have felt the same need.

Perhaps ZTA removed the quote above from its national website to avoid risk of the very confusion seen in this thread.

That was my thought too. But if KD was there first, why avoid the term?

You never know. Perhaps the founders of ZTA thought the founders of KD should have avoided the term.

Perhaps some of the founders of ZTA had a personal connection with little sister groups at Hampden-Sydney or elsewhere that the KD founders didn't have. (The Zeta website says that while the new group was considering what to adopt as a name, "the group received valuable assistance from two of the members’ brothers -- Maud’s brother, Plummer Jones, and Frances Yancey Smith’s brother Giles Mebane Smith. Both were students at the college of William and Mary, members of men’s Greek-letter organizations and knowledgeable of Greek lore." Perhaps they advised against using the term "sorority" because of how that term was used at W&M.)

I don't know the ages of the founders of KD at the time of founding, but the founders of ZTA of were 14-15. Perhaps they felt a stronger desire to avoid any suggestion of being "little sisters."

All of these perhapses are just my guesses. I found an old and very think history of ZTA in a used bookstore a year or two ago, which we gave to my sister-in-law. If I get a chance to check that source, I'll do so.

Blueangel, it is possible those chapters have "borrowed" from each other some incorrect information. Gamma Phi Beta has no "brother" fraternity, no affiliation with any men's organization whatsoever, and it never did. The term "sorority" was coined especially for Gamma Phi Beta because the term "fraternity" was not accurate. Since we are a sisterhood, not brotherhood, a professor came up with the term sorority to more accurately reflect our organization. Some women's organizations established before us chose to keep "fraternity" in their name, probably because of tradition (though I could be totally wrong about this as the reason), and some decided to call themselves fraternities even after our founding.

The term "sorority" has nothing to do with affiliation to a men's organization.

It should also be noted that no NPC sorority has an official affiliation with a men's organization, despite what some members think.

What's interesting is that Alpha Gamma Delta was founded on the same campus 30 years later, but took on the name "Women's Fraternity." I wonder if they did so because they didn't want to "steal" the term created especially for the Gamma Phis...?

I also wonder if some version of the word sorority was used for those little sister groups.

As MysticCat mentioned, these students took Latin and would be aware of sororitas as the word for sisterhood. What if another derivation had been used for those little sister groups? Hmm. We need a historian!

Just wondering what happened to the OPs question about starting greek group?:p

Thank you KPL or KLP D. YOur sig line still sucks and wrong.:rolleyes:

Indeed. While I have no doubt that the Syracuse professor suggested the term "sorority" to the fledging Gamma Phi Betas, I think it quite unlikely, given that fraternity, from Latin fraternitas, had been in the English lexicon for centuries, that professor was the first English speaker to anglicize sororitas.

I have a research project.

If the OP had presented more effort than a one-two sentence question, we might care. Notice the difference between this person and BlueButterfly (or however her username goes)


BTW, her sig is a QUOTE. So technically she got it right.

Are you saying you won't be our historian? Or that you will :D

Can you please shut up about it? We've all heard it, no one cares what you think about it. Send her incomprehensible PMs if you must insist on harping on and on and on.

You must be very lucky to have advanced so far in your profession without basic reading comprehension skills. Gamma Phi Beta, who popularized the word sorority to refer to women's fraternal organizations, does not now, nor did we ever, have an official affiliation with a men's organization.

See gammaphibeta.org for more information.

Apparently it is YOU who have NO comprehension skills. Where did I mention Gamma Phi Beta?

You're really making yourself look stupid.

Gamma Phi Beta was already founded, and was a sisterhood called a sorority. So were several other sororities. If you'd like to open your mouth & insert your foot, this would be the time.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!

BEST. POST. EVAR!

Thank you for quoting.

:p No problem.

I've got a new siggy!

Reported!

Now.. once again.. since your comprehension skills are about on the par with GeekyPenguin..

This was a quote from our national website's archives. I did not pull this out of thin air.

If you have a problem with it, then I suggest you take it up with ZTA IO.

Would you care to share some crow with 33Girl?

Thats right, eat your words. Heck, you actually said it best:

LOL! You'd know more than anyone else here. Just like the time you had "been there, done that" by reading my LJ before it was "private" although its been friends-only since I started it & instead just added to your lonstanding track record of stupidity. You are the worst troll ever.

Ding ding! Gamma Phi Beta was indeed already founded and a sisterhood called a sorority. Blueangel is probably still working on 2+2=4, though, so I can see how she'd be confused.

Yup, I sure do.. because you're wrong, I proved it, and you and your pals are sharing a crow pie. It sure does hurt to be proven wrong now, doesn't it Lisa! :D

I wouldn't know, hasn't happened yet! :D

You've only proven that you're an idiot, but we all knew that anyway!