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macallan25 11-21-2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1360691)
police brutality is part of the job description?

abuse of power is part of the job description?

The guy was screaming and completely out of control and wouldn't comply with what he was being told to do........they did their job. He wouldn't get off the floor, they warned him, and he got tased. Its his fault. I love how he was crying like a little wussy girl.....but then when someone asked for the cops badge number he immediately straightened up and was talking like nothing happened. Then he still refused to get off the floor and was coherent enough to tell the cops to "fuck off" in a straight tone.

Police brutality, are you serious? They used a taser. Its not like they beat him into a bloody pulp with a night stick.

starang21 11-21-2006 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1360872)
The guy was screaming and completely out of control and wouldn't comply with what he was being told to do........they did their job. He wouldn't get off the floor, they warned him, and he got tased. Its his fault. I love how he was crying like a little wussy girl.....but then when someone asked for the cops badge number he immediately straightened up and was talking like nothing happened. Then he still refused to get off the floor and was coherent enough to tell the cops to "fuck off" in a straight tone.

Police brutality, are you serious? They used a taser. Its not like they beat him into a bloody pulp with a night stick.

he previously said that he was already leaving prior to him being tased. from what i heard from a few UCLA students, he was already leaving when a cop decided to put his hands on him, and he took exception to that. said exception lead him to being tased. not sure how true it is, because it's word of mouth.

yes it is police brutality and abuse of power because they used a taser on him when in no way was it needed. he repeated that he was already leaving, so was this whole thing really even needed? i sure as hell would tell a cop to fuck off when he sent x number of volts through my body particularly if it didn't need to go there. he was tased not once, but damn near 5 times.

he has a helluva case, and someone's getting fired and someone else is getting paid. i'm sure your dad would sue the hell out of your school if a cop tased you for not having a student ID.

ufdale 11-21-2006 11:10 PM

I love how he was pretty much limp at the end of the video when they were carrying/dragging him out. I wonder what happened to him after all of this? I would think that several cops should be able to handle one average sized student.

_Opi_ 11-21-2006 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ufdale (Post 1361244)
I love how he was pretty much limp at the end of the video when they were carrying/dragging him out.

:confused:

ufdale 11-21-2006 11:24 PM

I was being sarcastic.

_Opi_ 11-21-2006 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ufdale (Post 1361254)
I was being sarcastic.

Oh, ok. I was a little confused.

SigKapSweetie 11-22-2006 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1361087)
i'm sure your dad would sue the hell out of your school if a cop tased you for not having a student ID.

My dad would sue the hell out of the school if some guy, who had no student ID because he was actually Ted Bundy, came into the library where I was studying one night and murdered me. Was this kid a serial killer? No. But those rules are there for a reason. He refused to abide by the rules, so he had to be forcibly removed. If I were a cop, I'd prefer to taze him than to have to exchange blows with him in a fistfight and risk him getting close enough to grab my gun.

Some people get so caught up in protecting one person's rights that they forget that the rest of us have rights, too. I have the right to go study in the library late at night, secure in the knowledge that only other students with valid IDs can be in there with me. The bottom line is that he didn't have the right to be there without his ID, and he necessitated the involvement of the police by refusing to leave. I'm a big fan of people getting what they deserve, and I can't say I object to this.

starang21 11-22-2006 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SigKapSweetie (Post 1361279)
My dad would sue the hell out of the school if some guy, who had no student ID because he was actually Ted Bundy, came into the library where I was studying one night and murdered me. Was this kid a serial killer? No. But those rules are there for a reason. He refused to abide by the rules, so he had to be forcibly removed. If I were a cop, I'd prefer to taze him than to have to exchange blows with him in a fistfight and risk him getting close enough to grab my gun.

Some people get so caught up in protecting one person's rights that they forget that the rest of us have rights, too. I have the right to go study in the library late at night, secure in the knowledge that only other students with valid IDs can be in there with me. The bottom line is that he didn't have the right to be there without his ID, and he necessitated the involvement of the police by refusing to leave. I'm a big fan of people getting what they deserve, and I can't say I object to this.

and he already said he was leaving prior to him being tased. or did you miss that part? yea, it was ok to tase a college student without an ID 5 times.

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1359334)
you people realize he already said he was leaving prior to him being tazed?


AlexMack 11-22-2006 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1361334)
and he already said he was leaving prior to him being tased. or did you miss that part? yea, it was ok to tase a college student without an ID 5 times.

I believe, if I recall correctly, that he refused to leave before the tape started rolling, then started throwing a tantrum, then the recording starts and then what we see is 'unnecessary force'. This video is completely slanted to cause the reactions many of you are having (screw The Man, abuse of power, student did nothing wrong etc etc.).

starang21 11-22-2006 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by centaur532 (Post 1361377)
I believe, if I recall correctly, that he refused to leave before the tape started rolling, then started throwing a tantrum, then the recording starts and then what we see is 'unnecessary force'. This video is completely slanted to cause the reactions many of you are having (screw The Man, abuse of power, student did nothing wrong etc etc.).

from what i've heard was that he was leaving, the copped put his hands on him while he was leaving which caused him to get irate. whether or not that was the correct reaction is up to interpretation. however, i highly doubt the person videotaping this from a camera phone had the ulterior motive of painting the police in a poor fashion.

AlexMack 11-22-2006 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1361472)
from what i've heard was that he was leaving, the copped put his hands on him while he was leaving which caused him to get irate. whether or not that was the correct reaction is up to interpretation. however, i highly doubt the person videotaping this from a camera phone had the ulterior motive of painting the police in a poor fashion.

It's not a camera phone, the quality is too good. I don't doubt he was trying to show the police in a poor light at all. In my experience, most college students despise the police. I don't.

starang21 11-22-2006 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by centaur532 (Post 1361477)
It's not a camera phone, the quality is too good. I don't doubt he was trying to show the police in a poor light at all. In my experience, most college students despise the police. I don't.

http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

"The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well. "

"Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your fucking abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers"

quality too good, huh?


yea, i'm sure that the guy videotaping it from a camera phone sure was thinking "lemme get this so i can get back at the cops."

uhhhh.........

NinjaPoodle 11-22-2006 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1361087)
He has a helluva case, and someone's getting fired and someone else is getting paid. i'm sure your dad would sue the hell out of your school if a cop tased you for not having a student ID.

Agreed. UCLA's campus-Rent-a-cop-America's-Finest should be sued. Period.

JonInKC 11-22-2006 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyTheDon (Post 1359094)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KRCUalPgg

check that video out.

This lady bit a man. Then got tased. Then says, " I can't move bitch! What chu think Imma do!"

oh c'mon. If you guys can't laugh at that line...

I love it. He tells her two or three times, get out of the car or you're gettin' tazed. Instead of just shutting her hole and exiting the vehicle, she offers her irrelevant opinion and then tells the police not to touch her. Nice thong, btw.

About the other clip, the guy sure talks about leaving, but from what I could make out from that clip (which was not terribly useful) he doesn't leave. Why don't the cops carry tranquilizer guns like on Metal Gear? Then people would stop screaming like the police had just eaten a baby. Or not.

starang21 11-22-2006 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInKC (Post 1361582)
Why don't the cops carry tranquilizer guns like on Metal Gear?



LOL, and shake them down for dog tags?

Kevin 11-23-2006 12:16 AM

Before tasers, the cops would have incapacitated him with night sticks.

Watching the video, I see no unnecessary force. The kid didn't follow the rules, he refused to obey repeated lawful orders from police officers, they used non-deadly force to persuade him. The kid has to be the biggest douche I've ever seen. Here's your Patriot Act! What a winner.

PiKA2001 11-23-2006 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1361647)
Before tasers, the cops would have incapacitated him with night sticks.

Watching the video, I see no unnecessary force. The kid didn't follow the rules, he refused to obey repeated lawful orders from police officers, they used non-deadly force to persuade him. The kid has to be the biggest douche I've ever seen. Here's your Patriot Act! What a winner.

Agreed, that kid deserved to get jacked. Cops unfortunately have to deal with "damned if you do, damned if you don't" way too often on the job.

_Opi_ 11-24-2006 12:44 AM

So he's a douche bag because:

He said he was leaving

Or

He brought up the Patriot Act


???

Kevin 11-24-2006 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_ (Post 1361857)
So he's a douche bag because:

He said he was leaving

Or

He brought up the Patriot Act


???

Bottom line: douche bag did not cooperate with the police. Whether or not the police officer is right, if the request is simple, e.g., "stand up," you do it, no questions asked. This kid instead screamed at the police, passively resisted by laying on the ground, and sure, after the fact, he said he "was leaving."

I'm not sure what the patriot act has to do with police officers removing a trespassor from private property. Maybe you could fill me in on that one?

EE-BO 11-24-2006 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1361865)
Bottom line: douche bag did not cooperate with the police. Whether or not the police officer is right, if the request is simple, e.g., "stand up," you do it, no questions asked. This kid instead screamed at the police, passively resisted by laying on the ground, and sure, after the fact, he said he "was leaving."

Exactly. My cousin was on the police force and later a SWAT Team in Nashville. I have heard some pretty amazing stories as a result.

The most important thing I learned is that you never know who has a gun. There are serial murderers who have given up without a fight, and there are cases where an officer was shot and killed or injured for life on a simple traffic stop.

I also remember being a student at Texas and a large portion of the student population walking around with a chip on their shoulder for anyone in authority for no good reason whatsoever. I shudder to think how big that group is at our fine instititutions in Kalifornia.

Last week a 92 year old woman shot 3 police officers.

Do you want the police to assume this student is unarmed and let him have control of this situation? Do you want to support his wife and kids when he gets shot dead because you think the police are too brutal and do not make accomodations for certain people because they are "little college students" or sweet little old ladies?

You all saw the video, but what is there to this situation- specifically and in the big picture- that was not so readily visible.

As for the "Patriot Act" comment- that sickens me. That is a tricky piece of legislation, no doubt, but invoking it to validate one's own bad behavior strikes me as incredibly immature and stupid.

Maybe this incident will beat some sense into the kid- but I won't hold my breath.

starang21 11-24-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1361865)
Bottom line: douche bag did not cooperate with the police. Whether or not the police officer is right, if the request is simple, e.g., "stand up," you do it, no questions asked. This kid instead screamed at the police, passively resisted by laying on the ground, and sure, after the fact, he said he "was leaving."

I'm not sure what the patriot act has to do with police officers removing a trespassor from private property. Maybe you could fill me in on that one?

uhhhh.....he was laying on the ground AFTER he got tased.

you tell me to stand up after you tase me for no reason, i tell you to go fuck yourself.

he was already leaving prior to the cops making it an issue.

Kevin 11-24-2006 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1361885)
uhhhh.....he was laying on the ground AFTER he got tased.

you tell me to stand up after you tase me for no reason, i tell you to go fuck yourself.

he was already leaving prior to the cops making it an issue.

Obviously you didn't watch the video. He wasn't tased for "no reason." The police officers attempted to secure his cooperation by requesting it, he refused and instead screamed at them.

damasa 11-24-2006 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=EE-BO;1361884]

Last week a 92 year old woman shot 3 police officers.



QUOTE]


But the circumstances of this story are pretty crazy. I've read that the lady had been protecting herself due to recent spats in the neighborhood. She shot the three police officers while they were executing a search warrant at her residence. The search was a mistake and they went into the wrong house and when they came in she started popping.

Not to say that she was right but it's not like she was just sitting there tagging cops with bullets.

EE-BO 11-24-2006 08:52 PM

Very true. I just wanted to make the point you never know who has a gun- or their intentions.

starang21 11-24-2006 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1361953)
Obviously you didn't watch the video. He wasn't tased for "no reason." The police officers attempted to secure his cooperation by requesting it, he refused and instead screamed at them.

actually i did watch the video. did you read the article i previously posted a few posts up?

http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

here it is again, in case you missed it the first time.

he was leaving when a cop decided to expidite the process by putting his hands on him. he tells the cop to get his hands off of him, and this ends up with him being tased.

"get up or you'll get tased again."

sounds like he was on the ground AFTER he got tased.

Kevin 11-25-2006 12:46 AM

Yes, and then he refused to get up... after he was tased.

Disobeying a police officer is stupid. Stupidty should be punished. It's just a young punk with a chip on his shoulder for authority figures.

Had he cooperated, or hell.. had he either produced the ID or gone to get his ID and followed the rules, would he have ever been tased at all? Nope.

starang21 11-25-2006 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1362072)
Stupidty should be punished.

and it was incredibly stupid for the cop to tase him in the first place. thus someone's probably going to lose their job, and someone else is going to get paid very well from this ordeal.

he was already on his way out (possibly to get his ID, even) when they tased him, so yea.....that was pretty stupid on the cop's part.

LMAO @ getting up and being cooperative after getting tased for no good reason


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