The poster above you is a boy. As such, I think he may be confusing the meanings of the words "quota" and "total."

It makes more sense to say they want total/ceiling back to where it was and not super duper hella high.

I tend to agree with this statement. This is exactly the same thing that happened at Pitt, until they utilized Release Figures. Once the playing field is more level, then bring on another sorority, one that has a huge support system (ie: Alumnae Association, etc).

That way, a new GLO has a real chance of making it.

excellent points irishpipes. i was going to look up which chapters(if any) we had open in illinois, but you saved me the trouble-:) . i wish alpha xi delta and sigma delta tau the best of luck and hope that which ever sorority is chosen, that they flourish.

Wow that is very interesting! Thank you for sharing that info. I wonder if there were other schools that had this much representation by 1900?

It was the article that referred to quota.

The Delta Zeta chapter at Northwestern is our Alpha Alpha chapter - just one away from being a single letter chapter. So it too is one of our oldest chapters.

While it is possible that the comment was taken out of context, I don't wonder if the ZTA president's comment was a savvy strategy. By stating for the paper that her org is strongest, now everyone reading that article may assume its truth and going into presentations people may have preconvceived notions about ZTA being strong.

Anyway...best of luck to the three groups.

My thoughts exactly! Having sat in strategy meetings all week, when I read that my first thought was the collegiate audience who reads that paper...and all those deciding votes. Savvy strategic move.

Regardless, Northwestern would be an incredible addition for any of our organizations. Good luck to all!!!!

Edited:
Schools with NPCs before 1900 - they may not be 100% accurate. I'm sure I have missed some.
Oldest chapter and year of charter is highlighted in blue
Northwestern (8) AP 1881, AXO, GPB, DG, DDD, KAT, KKG, PBP
Michigan (8) AP, AXO, GPB, DG, DDD, KAT 1879, KKG, PBP
Wisconsin (7) AP, GPB, DG, DDD, KAT, KKG 1875, PBP
Syracuse (6) AP 1872, GPB, DDD, KAT, KKG, PBP
Minnesota (6) AP, DG, DDD, KAT, KKG 1880, PBP
Goucher (6) AP 1891, GPB, DG 1891, DDD 1891, KAT, PBP (Greek Life abolished)
Nebraska (5) DG, DDD, KAT, KKG 1884, PBP
Boston U. (5) AP, GPB, DDD, KKG 1882, PBP (Greek Life abolished, then re-instated)
Stanford (5) AP, DG 1886, KAT, KKG, PBP (Greek Life abolished, then re-instated)
The Ohio State (4) DDD, KAT, KKG 1888, PBP
Cornell (4) AP, DG, KAT 1881, KKG
DePauw(4) AP, AXO, KAT 1870, KKG
Indiana (4) DG, KAT, KKG, PBP
Illinois (4) AXO, KAT 1870, KKG, PBP
Simpson (4) DDD, KAT, KKG, PBP 1874
Vermont (3) DDD, KAT 1881, PBP
Longwood (3) ZTA, KD 1897, SSS
Allegheny (PA) (3) AXO, KAT 1876, KKG
Swarthmore (3) KAT 1891, KKG, PBP (Greek Life abolished)
Barnard (3) AOII, KAT, KKG 1891 (Greek Life abolished)
St. Lawrence (NY) (3) DG, DDD, KKG 1881
Albion (MI) (3) AXO, DG 1883, KAT
Kansas (3) KAT, KKG, PBP 1873
Butler (3) KAT 1874, KKG, PBP
Franklin (IN) (3) DG 1878, KKG, PBP
Knox (3) AZD, DDD, PBP 1884
Iowa (3) DG, KKG 1882, PBP 1882
Wesleyan (CT) (3) DDD, KAT 1883, PBP (No Greek Life at present)
Cal-Berkeley (3) GPB, KAT, KKG 1880
Southern California (3) AXO, DG 1887, KAT 1887
Bucknell (2) AXO, PBP 1895
Wooster (2) KAT 1875, KKG (No Greek LIfe at present)
Ohio (2) KAT 1876, PBP
Ohio Wesleyan (2) KAT, KKG 1880
Akron (2) DG, KKG 1877
Cincinnati (2) DDD, KKG 1885
Missouri (2) KKG 1875, PBP
Adrian (MI) (2) DDD, KKG 1882
Hillsdale (MI) (2) KKG 1881, PBP
Sophie Newcomb/Tulane (2) AOII, PBP 1891
Hanover (2) DG 1881, KAT
Illinois Wesleyan (2) KAT 1875, KKG
Monmouth (IL) (2) KKG, PBP 1867 (Greek Life abolished, then re-instated)
Iowa State (2) DDD, PBP 1877
Wesleyan (GA) (2) ADII 1851, PM (Greek Life abolished)
Colorado (2) DG, PBP 1884
Denver (2) GPB, PBP 1885

Lots with 1

Our chapter at Northwestern was our Lambda chapter. I suppose if our sister, Judy Baar Topinka, wins the election for Governor in Illinois, we could argue that we are the most powerful group in Illinois ;)

Squirrel power! She should run on the Squirrel Party ticket...

The Governor of my state, Washington, is an NPC alum...but I can't recall if she is a KD, SK or DZ...anyhoo, hopefully we'll chalk up another GLO lady Governor soon!

Christine Gregoire is a Kappa Delta

A Google search said that Chris Gregoire is a Kappa Delta.

A bunch of news articles also popped up -- including this one:

http://www.realchangenews.org/pastis...u_can_use.html

that insinuated that her KD chapter at the University of Washington didn't allow non-whites. :confused:

Un-panhellenic maybe. But, true. Everyone knows I could pretty much care less about being really panhellenic. To say that SDT or AXiD are as strong would be incorrect in my opinion. I am glad she had the balls to say the truth.

The truth, maybe...but for what purpose? Convincing NU's PHC to select ZTA? If PHC did select ZTA, I seriously doubt that it'd solely be because of the fact ZTA's stronger nationally than the other two.

If anything that comment probably raised many eyebrows, especially coming from a national president.

But we all know that inter/national presidents aren't perfect. :rolleyes:

Oh yes...I vaguely remember this now. But the election was sooooo messed up that we didn't know for quite a while after the election who the governor was and the mud was slinging on both sides...so you never know what to believe. Frankly I looked at that more as the media's way to hack on the Greek system and just let it go in one ear and out the other...we get a lot of barbs from the media around here about rogue GLOs having both WSU and UW in the state. But, it is so petty the things they will attempt to pick up on. :rolleyes:

/end hijak

It is kind of exciting when the GLOs are chosen to give presentations on campus. Hopefully the true fit for the campus, the demographic, etc., will easily be identified. Good luck to all the groups!

Having never witnessed an expansion, I can't help but be confused by this. If there isn't already a reputation of sorts, how does the campus/do the sororities know which group is demographically the best fit? All the groups have fine ideals - how can the best fit be determined, and who actually determines it? Is it mutual (i.e. the campus says to ZTA, "We'd like you" and ZTA says to the campus, "We're definitely interested.")? Or is it more one-sided (i.e. strictly the campus's decision)? You'd think that simply by participating in the presentation stage the three sororities are definitely interested in the campus... but then again, maybe once they get there and see the other chapters they might change their mind (this was just an example - nothing against any org at Northwestern, of course).

Like I said, I'm completely ignorant about this whole process. But, good luck to all involved! It's a positive thing that there is enough interest at Northwestern to warrant expansion!

The University of Kansas in Lawrence has 8 out of 13!

Alpha Chi Omega - Phi
Alpha Delta Pi - Tau
Chi Omega - Lambda
Gamma Phi Beta - Sigma
Kappa Alpha Theta - Kappa
Kappa Kappa Gamma - Omega
Pi Beta Phi - Kansas Alpha
Sigma Kappa - Xi

You raise good points. I personally have seen one expansion attempt that took on and off 6 years. It started out mutual, the University putting the word out another group was welcome and then groups saying yes/no. One group who had been there previously, is very strong nationally and had a great amount of alumnae interest and support was working on coming back. They gave a presentation to PNMs during FR (kind of an FYI, most likely a dry run for their anticipated presentations for the upcoming year) and their field staff was quite visable for quite some time on campus. It really felt like the entire NPC population was this big fishbowl the entire time all these GLOs were looking at campus. This group coming back was pretty much a no brainer we all thought, but in a shocking move by their national they all of a sudden halted their plans and left with a "thanks but not at this time". There was a local that had come out of the interest group that had formed over the first semester. Things kept moving very fast for this local despite the NPC group pulling out...the local was named with with GLs and got rec. from the university as a club and had "non-voting" status with our Panhellenic. They wouldn't participate in FR, but had great campus support. Then another national org. expressed interest in this colony and came for presentation...it seemed like a real hit for both groups right away. Their national staff really were well liked by the Panhellenic community--you could feel the "fit". They even pledged those girls in the colony. Long story short, again the national GLO pulled back and said "thanks but no thanks". I believe they let the colony members be initiated if they wished at the neighboring university if they didn't want to depledge to participate in the next FR. It was very sad for those girls, they were very bonded, wearing letters, participating in homecoming, etc. Not one I knew of went through the next FR. Our FR numbers were out of control and Greek Leaders kept a lobby for another NPC group to come to campus. We had huge overflow from GLO housing and it was really difficult for us to connect with NMs...by that time the University (very pro GLO) seemed very burned out with expansion and for a few years we had massive numbers. So things were dormant and it seemed that maybe the GLOs got a feel for the school that wasn't "good". Colonization and expansion felt like you were saying a dirty word for a while and locals went away again--who could blame them for feeling pretty burned out? Then another group came onto the scene and was able to get momentum behind them, establish housing and become chartered rather quickly, followed by yet again by the first group that had started expansion efforts who even built a new chapter house.

I would really like to know if that was the whole quote, because it seems like something that could very easily be taken out of context and make them look very unpanhellenic. Depending on the culture of the campus, it could mess w/ their chances for this expansion oppportunity. You'd think a national president would avoid saying things that could bite them in the butt and make them or their group look bad.



stop laughing, Sandy.

This has very, very little to do with this thread, but I thought it was interesting. At Wittenberg, there is one chapter with a one-letter designation (ADPi's Chi chapter), but there are two sororities (GPhiB and KD) whose Alpha Nu chapters are on that campus. Funny coincidence! :p

Could that be because the 2 groups were founded at the same time or that all the sororities were colonized or chartered at the same time? I remember at a couple of schools that we researched that the schools had long histories of local sororities but the university forced the locals to affiliate nationally in order to remain recognized. I think 2 glos happened to have the same chapter designation.

The University of Nebraska not only has many single letter chapter designations, but different chapters with the same letter.

Note: Eleven out of fourteen active chapters have a single letter and three out five inactive. However, not all were chartered before 1900.

Z = AOP and DZ (inactive)
K = DG, DDD and CW
P = GFB and KD
R = AXD and KAQ

FYI: Other chapters with sign letter designation:

Q = SDT (inactive)
M = QFA (inactive)
N = AF
X = ACW
S = KKG

to explain npc expansion in a nutshell:

1. campus panhellenic and administration decide that campus needs another sorority

2. they notify national panhellenic conference hdqtrs. that they are looking to expand

3. npc sends out notification to all npc sororities headquarters

4. all interested npc sororities send an information packet to the school

5. administration and panhellenic officers go thru packets and choose a certain number to make presentations on campus.

6. sororities make presentations

7. campus greek life officers (and perhaps admin.) take a vote on which group they want and extend an invitation to that sorority to colonize.

those voting may vary from campus to campus, but i believe that it usually happens this way.

This doesnt take into consideration that there might be an interest group of women who might want another sorority on campus. I wasn't a part of the original interest group, but I AM a colony member of my chapter, and the reason Alpha Xi Delta was chosen on my campus was because it's the organization that the interest group wanted.

Excellent outline--and I would add that NPC orgs make their decision at different times. Some may only present or send packets to schools where they are willing to establish a chapter, while others may wait to make a decision final decision after presentation etc. As with membership selection, its a different process for each organization and different factors are taken into account.

the scenario we have been discussing was not an interest group contacting one sorority directly, but a college contacting npc to say that are opening their campus for expansion.

however, as you noted, interest groups may form, and with the consent of their campus administrators and panhellenic, contact a sorority for possible colonization.

They still went through the process of contacting npc of the desire to expand. Three orgs were interested, and came to present. I think the biggest difference (at least from what I can tell) is that out of those orgs, the interest group picked the one they wanted, rather than the university picking for them.

Has anyone heard anything? Have all the groups made their presentations?

About what the ZTA National President Said
 

OK.....my mom's best friend knows the ZTA national president.....she was totally misquoted....a reporter called her and asked her what zeta would share with the northwestern panhellenic about why they should pick zeta to come on campus....and she told them that they have a house corp, a foundation and the regular sorority part of the organization....and that all three of these groups working together is what makes them strong.....she never said they are the strongest of the three groups presenting.....just goes to show how the media can twist things!!!

i heard she is a really nice lady, and is very proud of her sorority, but not arrogant or cocky at all.....zeta wants to be chosen but would never diss the other groups.....we have zeta on my campus and they are pretty cool......

has anyone heard who got selected?

I didn't see it mentioned (but I may have missed it) but I thought it was great that the dormant groups rose like cream to the top of the selection process (all three are dormant). I know that at least 8 groups submitted materials to be considered and only half were dormant and for good reason, these dormant groups all have a wonderful chance to re-establish their sisterhoods at NU. Best of luck to all.

Denise

That's awesome...but it could make it very hard for whoever is chosen.

Just because Zeta has more chapters doesn't make them stronger....AXiD or SDT would do much better at a small Northern school then Zeta for example, because more alumnae support and they are used to smaller, Northern schools.

I wonder if there is any word yet....best of luck to all three groups

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Just because Zeta has more chapters doesn't make them stronger....AXiD or SDT would do much better at a small Northern school then Zeta for example, because more alumnae support and they are used to smaller, Northern schools.

I'm not sure which alumnae chapter is closest to Northwestern, but ZTA has 12 Alumane Chapters in the state of Illinois, 4 in the Chicago area. While it's true we have many southern chapters, we have chapters all over the country. So please don't say we're better suited in one area. My small northern chapter had fabulous alumnae from big schools & smaller schools and it was a great match. We were happy to have local support. Zeta is continuing select girls to be Traveling Leadership Consultants from all different sized chapters and locations. I realize that our image may be one way but I just would like to point out another side.

As an undergrad, I attended Illinois State (where the ZTA chapter is doing well, BTW); I serve on the Lambda Chi alumni boards at my alma mater and Northwestern. This provides me w/a unique perspective.

Our NU chapter was under "voluntary suspension" in the late 1990's due to reasons similar to ADPi's. We only had 12 men living in a house that holds 32. As a result, we had boarders, including some football players.

Since the University leases the chapter houses to each GLO, we always have to pay our rent each quarter. When you do the math, it's obvious: lower numbers = lack of $$$ for rent.

Because of the financial straits & the chapter's problems w/recruiting, the alumni board (the landlord for the chapter) decided to "go dark" for 2 years.

When we came back to campus, LCA's expansion team did an outstanding job of recruiting a great group of guys. They achieved all of the standards needed for re-chartering (40+ men, meet/surpass All-Men's GPA, etc.) in 18 months--a record @ that point for Lambda Chi.

Earlier this year, they even achieved LCA's highest chapter honor, the Grand High Alpha Award. Quite a turnaround from having 12 men & no good prospects.

So, why didn't ADPi make it in Evanston while Lambda Chi did? It's hard to say, but there are a myriad of reasons for GLOs making it or failing.

In my work (creating fraternity/sorority newsletters), I've observed a variety of GLOs as a vendor. One thing that strikes me is how some groups choose where they'll "plant their flag".

Some GLOs seem to focus solely on schools with 20,000+ populations, while others are represented on smaller campuses (less than 6,000 students). One way isn't better than another--they're just different.

Because ADPi is girls and Lambda Chi is guys? :p

Sorry man, I just had to joke about that, but in all seriousness, I think it's easier for guys to come back than girls. Guys think they will make the fraternity what they want it to be. Girls think they will become what the sorority is. That's probably very un PC to say, but true.

boz, great reply but I also am wondering who will be the newest on Campus!

Hope news come soon so can give KUDOS!!!!

It may be me, but I always would rather see a RE-colonization, rather than bringing on a totally new GLO. The only problem is, at some universities (ie: Pitt), there may be as many as six or seven dormant chapters - some inactive for over 75 years!

Northwestern has 7 dormant chapters:
AGD 1995
ADP 2006
AEF 1988
AXD 1972
AOP 1973
ZTA 1969
SDT 1970

Many from the "icky" years - late 60s - early 70s!

Has anyone heard? I heard the Dean was making a decision today?