Agreed. Those words would simply not be used. Also, the purpose of a Rho Gamma is to help serve as an impartial guide to introduce a PNM to the university's Greek System. Someone who is a transfer/non-affiliate is not familiar with the inner workings of the new campus's Greek System. Also there's no way to keep tabs on these recruitment counselors-- any infractions they commit are going to come down to them and hearsay-- their sorority chapter is not represented and thus they are open to say whatever they please to a PNM with no kind of recourse aside from being dismissed from their post (which is not going to happen in the middle of formal recruitment!).

They're also not paying dues to Panhellenic, so technically they are not members of the campus Panhellenic, whereas chapters pay a fee each year to their campus Panhellenic, money that comes from the dues of active chapter members. There are bound to be Risk Management issues if a non-affiliated member affiliates with Panhellenic and pays dues. Rho Gammas today, Panhellenic President tomorrow? I am not trying to be unkind or unfair-- but if your sorority is not represented within a campus Panhellenic, you cannot act in the best interests of the Greek Community at-large without full immersion in that community as a member of an officially recognized chapter. There are also other issues, such as ABC picking up that they have 5 representatives on a Panhellenic council where there is no ABC chapter. How can non-affiliates vote and make decisions impacting the future of collegiate chapters when they are not paying dues or actively involved in a chapter on campus?

I do think it is regrettable that there isn't a home for transfer Greeks without a chapter. I believe that in most cases when you transfer and there is no chapter at your new school/you don't affiliate with the chapter at your new school, you are given alumna status, which would render one ineligible to participate in collegiate recruitment with regard to interaction with PNM's.

I think one solution is for these displaced Greeks to band together and form a campus organization-- you can get funding from SGA provided you have a min. number of committed members (I believe it's 12 at UCF). I'm sorry you felt you were brushed aside, and that UCF does not have an AGD chapter, but I think this is the benefit of alumnae association involvement-- you have the time and passion now as a student to turn your local AA into a very involved group within the community and your sisterhood.

Of course not every transfer would be a good Rho Gamma, but they should be allowed to apply and interview! I would say that a second semester freshman who transferred from Auburn to UMass and has never been through formal recruitment as a member probably would not be a good candidate. However, a sophomore or junior who has been through recruitment as a member and is transferring to a campus with a similar culture, say UGA to Bama, might be a good candidate.

adpiucf made a great post on why transfer Rho Gammas might not be a good idea.

That said, if they already have a group of girls familiar with campus recruitment who want to be Rho Gammas, why bother with those who don't know anything about the campus?

If the transfer Greek wants sisterhood and bonding, that's what her AA is for.

I am only arguing for the possibility of a transfer being allowed to apply to be a Rho Gamma. Depending on the individual, and the other women applying to be Rho Gammas, it may work well or may be a horrible idea. That's it.

Um, I know how to read.

But let's see how many times we can use the underline function before it gets annoying. :)

Was this maybe one group (like Chi Omega) that had always been NPC and another (like Alpha Sigma Tau) who didn't join NPC till later?

I know when I've googled my sorority's name I've occasionally come up w/ obituaries that say (for example) "she was a member of Phi Mu and Alpha Sigma Alpha" - it is just so weird to see!

I really like the idea of transfers having the options to be Rho Gammas - as a transfer student, it's something I would have enjoyed doing, but it was not an option for me.

I think I might be able to help with some clarification on this particular topic. I work as an Academic Advisor-Evaluator for a large, urban university with a 33,000+ student population. The "Evaluator" part of my job involves me processing transcripts from across the US and deciding how credit should be awarded. Needless to say, I've seen a LOT of transcripts. :)

That said, I have never seen a transcript which detailed a student's extracurricular activities - not the major universities, nor the small liberal arts places.


This would make more sense as transcripts are academic records; though, I have also never heard of a "general transfer packet" containing the items described above. I'm actually thinking that it would not be considered appropriate for an institution to send along items such as those. With our university, academic and or "student-related" probation is noted on the official transcript until the time that it is lifted. The rest of the stuff is largely irrelevant to an institution.

Even if a school sent those types of materials, and they came across my desk along with the academic transcript, I would not forward them to the student activities office. Having worked in the Greek Life office prior to moving over to advising, I can say that I've never received anything like that over there either.

I'm thinking that you must attend a unique school! :)

I hope this helps add some clarity to this particular point. If college Panhellenic associations want to try and suss out women who were previously initiated elsewhere, they'll have a tough time of it - universities just don't keep track of that kind of stuff. They'll have to rely on the student's honesty on the recruitment application....

.....Kelly :)

We don't have a Phi Mu chapter here, but I know we had a girl that was a Phi Mu transfer from somewhere and was on EBoard for Pan. I want to say she was the secretary... Look into this as an option.

That doesn't seem right to me. She's an NPC woman, but as someone who is not affiliated on your campus any of the decisions made by Panhellenic Exec wouldn't affect her, right? So it doesn't seem to make sense to let her have a hand in them. Being a PX is one thing, she wouldn't shape policy about greek life on campus, but letting an unaffiliated woman on the Panhellenic Exec Board seems like the same thing as letting someone who's a student at [for example] UT Dallas serve on the student government at UT Arlington. They're both 'University of Texas' students, but the membership doesn't quite transfer, she's not directly affected by the decisions, and she's probably not contributing monetarily to greek life there - at least not in the amount that an affiliated woman is.
If the decisions aren't directly affecting you, you shouldn't have a say in them, it's like... representation without taxation :p .

I would say it's right - her org may not have been on our campus, but she is still in a Panhellenic org. Being on Pan was like being in a sorority in its own right sometimes - we did things together that were just us (I was delegate for my local), and she was welcomed by everyone. She did an amazing job. She contributed time to fundraisers, supported all the chapters, and the way I see it, was even more a credit to her org for all she did to help the others on our campus. This woman exemplified Panhellenic spirit in a way not many women get the opportunity to.

If a young woman received a bid and was pledged into a sorority but never intiated into full membership, that she would certainly be able to rush at another college or university with no strings attached to the prior sorority. However, is she was initiated as a member then she would not be able to rush.:o

Just out of curiosity, have you read the other posts in this thread?:)

I'm fairly new to this forum, only having posted a few times..LoL~! Is that what you are asking?:o

Welcome to the forum.

I've noticed that a lot of new GCers often don't read the rest of the discussion past the first few posts. Oftentimes, the question is already answered and more related info is posted. It's nice to get a feel of the forums before posting, IMO -- and I give that suggestion to a lot of new GCers.

Again, welcome and happy posting.

Personally, i think its really stupid that if you transfer to a different school that doesnt have ur sorority you cant rush another one. Its not like were going to tell the new sorority all of the secrets of the old one we were in. In fact why would anyone care to anyways? its really pointless. I think it should be allowed just as long as you really dont tell other people you were once part of another sorority or talk about the other sorority in general.

I am trying to transfer to a new school, but unfortunatly (with out knowning) my sorority doesnt like to colonize chapters at BIG schools which is what i am aimin to transfer to. So now basically, i have VERY limited choices of where i can transfer to and its down right not fair. I love being in a sorority, and i would never want to leave one, but i think its gay that i now cant join a new one. I was actually just thinking of not telling anyone and just go through rush again.

and if people in ur sorority are going to disown you because u went to a new one, then they are very low people, and they dont qualify as a true friend.

ok i vented my fustration

I pity organization that got this rotten apple.

If you don't want to honor an NPC Unanimous Agreement, then maybe you shouldn't be in an NPC organization.

College is only for a few short years and I've had more fun as an alum member than I ever did as a collegian. I wouldn't throw away this sisterhood just because they're not at the school you want to transfer to.

Now that's gay.

And if a member of a sorority is going to "not talk about [her] sorority," completely forget about it, act as if she were never a part of it, and attempt to join a new sorority, then she is a very low person, and she doesn't qualify as a true sister.

Also, why WOULDN'T your sisters want to disown YOU since it's so easy for you to just forget about them and pretend you weren't a part of their sisterhood?

Well, there might be some opportunities, depending on where lilxcutie transfers. In her post she didn't give the name of "what i am aimin to transfer to."

For instance, if she is transferring to Dartmouth, there are at least three local sororities there that wouldn't necessarily be bound by NPC agreements.

If she is transferring to Harvard, the scene there still, I believe, has some "final clubs" for women. Those also wouln't have to follow NPC rules. (A possible glitch is that as I understand it, a woman can't just sign up to "rush" a final club - the club must invite her.)

At Yale, if she's transferring there, it's possible that a wait might be needed. The NPC sororities wouldn't be able to take her, but the senior secret societies would -- at least the ones that tap women as well as men. One conceivable drawback there is that at least some of the secret socieites only take a strictly limited number of members each year -- fifteen for Skull and Bones, and a similar number for Wolf's Head, I think. Also, of course, they are for seniors.

If she's transferring to Princeton, that cmapus has eating clubs. Again, the NPC sororities couldn't take her, but one of the clubs might. Some of the clubs are pretty selective, choosing members through a sort-of-rush-like process they call "bicker." Others, I believe, are more "open" in membership.

Let's see: at Case Western Reserve, if that's where she transfers, I think there's at least one local sorority.

Admittedly, there's no way of knowing whether lilxcutie woould consider any of the above to be among the "BIG' schools she referred to.

Hilarious

no no thtast not what I am saying....

I just dont think its exactly fair. The point is that I never want to leave my sorority, so i've been trying to find a school that has mine. They've all ended up being little schools in the middle of nowhere, which is what I am trying to get away from. I cant see going to a new school and not being in one. so everywhere i look it HAS to have my sorority. With all the requirements that I want for the new school that i transfer to, my schools to choose from are narrowed down.
its extremely fusterating..im sure a lot of u can relate to something like that.
which is why i think it should be ok to join another one. you dont betray your other sisters from ur previous school at all..and i would never do that. point is that if someone were to go to another school that didnt have their sorority their previous sisters shouldn't feel that they have been betrayed, they should understand that their "sister" felt that the school which they were at wasnt right for them, so they needed to transfer. With that said, they girl would still want to feel part of group or a sorority. so it should be fine that they go ahead and join another one.
what I am saying is that people shouldnt have to feel that they need to go to those great lengths. it just seems like it would make things soo much easier.

what i meant by big school is...schools that have over 10,000 students in them

i come from a school with just under 4,000 with only leaving 1,000 students on campus. everyone goes home on the weekend and there is absolutely NOTHING to do! like i would like to go to University of delaware, Florida State, University of South Carolina,but they dont have my sorority so i cant go there.

Are your grades good enough to transfer? That's the first thing I'd consider.

Personally, I think if you aren't willing to "go to great lengths" for your sorority, you don't deserve the sisterhood. Sorry to be blunt but this isn't the Chess Club we're talking about. You made a commitment for life when you were initiated.

Why can't you just chose a school based on academics and join the local Alumnae Association of your sorority? You're going to college for an education, right? No matter where you go there will other organizations to get involved with.

I'm sorry NPC hasn't made this "easy" for you. Life's difficult. Get used to it.

There are HUNDREDS of groups to join at larger schools. I'm sure you'd be able to find at least one where you could find people with similar interests and make friends.

You definitely should not choose your new school based on whether it has a chapter of your sorority --- you could end up not even getting along with members of this new chapter and be miserable there. Remember that chapters vary from school to school.

You should choose your new school for the same reasons many people choose colleges: location, size, academics, student-to-teacher ratio, campus life, etc. Then you can decide which clubs to join or where to go to meet new people. Maybe it'll have a chapter of your sorority that you click with and like, maybe it won't and you can join a different club.

I think that ANY sorority would be blessed to have you "join"! Not to mention, any university! You seem to be a solid, honest, and loyal young woman, and have AMAZING grammar and spelling skills.

You sure sound like a winner to me!

Let's assume that you get into your new school that has a chapter of your sorority.

The new chapter is not obligated in any way to take you in just because you're a member. Each sorority has their own affiliation process you'd most likely have to go through. Heck, some chapters even have rules that boldly state that they don't take transfer members.

Another thing to consider is how well you'll get along (IF you'll even get along) with the sisters of this new chapter. I had a chapter sister go back home, transferred to State U. and decided she wanted to affiliate with State U.'s chapter. Her request was accepted, but immediately hated being around her new chapter sisters so much that she no longer bothered to attend meetings and events. State U's chapter is a total 180 from ours (ours is a small one) and unfortunately she just didn't "click" with any of those girls.

As I said before, college is just for a few short years. Sisterhood isn't defined by rush, mixers, and formals. You can get it without all of that.

your completely missing my point. what I was saying about going to great lengths was that people shouldnt have to go to those great lenghts( i.e Lie, feel they are betraying by joining another sorority)
you should just be able to join a new one that way people dont come up those ideas(Lying, betraying, etc, etc) thats what i meant by it would be easier.

and thats extremely rude of you to say that i dont deserve the sisterhood. no offense.

when i told my big about me thinking of transfering, i was worried that they werent going to accept me, b/c my president told me that, but i felt like she was only saying that so that I wouldnt transfer. neways my Big said that as transfers ur known as "legacies" and that you would have to do sometihng incredibly stupid to not be accepted..so that made me feel a lot better.

when looking at schools i've looked at EVERYTHING! ah im soo pickey. school spirt has to be high, little commuters that way the campus doesnt feel empty on the weekends, around a surburan area/city, the size has to be bigger than 10,000 people, good academics.

and yes all of the schools that i've applied to I am capable of getting accepted.

I'm hoping with whatever school i can get into that i'll fit in with the girls there. and if you dont. you live and you learn, but you should still get that chance.



and its easier said then done, not being part of a big group of girls when thats what you've done all your life...
all my life i;ve been involved with big groups of girls. i could never think of not being in a sorority.
but the way everyone has been attacking me like they have been on here..shows that maybe i should disaffiliate myself and not even be part of one.

Care to cite your source?

I don't believe you, especially since there are MANY Tri Sigma sisters here on GreekChat who come from campuses that are not "small teacher schools". :rolleyes:

I would go back and edit your post about which sorority you are in if you honestly want to be accepted wherever it is that you are transferring to. You don't think this might hurt you? You may not be going through recruitment, but that's not to say that there are no Tri Sig's here on greekchat who go to those schools and will remember that when lo and behold, a new girl transfers in and tells them they went to your school.

Out of sheer curiosity...

Why are you looking to transfer schools?

It doesn't sound like its for a specific academic major, otherwise I'd assume that you'd be concerned with transferring to schools that offer that particular program. :confused:

Yeah, I'd have to say that Penn State, UNC-Chapel Hill, and the University of Virginia don't seem like small teacher schools to me.

P.S. I hear the Kent State University chapter rocks. ;)

Indeed it does! It's also a good school and a decent location. The Tri Sigma website is your friend when it comes to finding where chapters are located. Last time I checked Seton Hall, Pitt, and VCU weren't small teacher schools either. They might not all be in bigger cities (check out Montclair State, 40 minutes from NYC or even U of Alaska-Anchorage for that). Want serious school spirit? Consider Marshall. Might be in the middle of nowhere but probably the most rabid fans of all the schools with Tri Sigma chapters.

Lilxcutie88, in all seriousness, if you want "school spirt has to be high, little commuters that way the campus doesnt feel empty on the weekends, around a surburan area/city, the size has to be bigger than 10,000 people, good academics." then you might have to make tradeoffs on whether or not there's a Tri Sigma chapter. Your education is the most important thing. Make that decision first, then find a way to keep Tri Sigma in your life after that. Good luck.

I just don't get why this is so effing hard to explain. You join a sorority for life, not however long you stay at one university. Once you've joined one NPC, you can't join another. Think it's not fair? Tough shit. Life's not fair. It's not fair that Sigma got stuck with such a waste of space and sisterhood. You're in school to get an education, not to be in a sorority.

LOL, maybe not for long.

Your big is completely off base when she says transfers are known as legacies. That's like saying apples are known as shirts. They're two completely different things. The rules about accepting transfers may differ from group to group, but as someone said, even if the new chapter would HAVE to accept you, there's a chance you might not like them or vice versa.

The fact that "academics" comes up last in the list of things you're looking for at your new school doesn't bode well. If you DO go to a big school like UD or USC and you aren't doing well in your classes...it's quite likely you won't get the personal attention like you would have gotten at a smaller school. You'll be another student that flunks out, big deal.

If you wanted to be in a major that your school doesn't have, or were leaving to be closer to family, I think people might be a little more accepting of your situation, but your reasons for transferring at all (not even going into the sorority issue) seem really lame. If (as it seems) all you care about is how many parties the school has on the weekends, whether you can or cannot join another sorority is a moot point, since you'll probably flunk out anyway.

i cant go all around the united states. i'm begging my mom to even let me apply to NIU. there are a bunch of large schools in louisanna(sp?) and some in missouri, and illinois. so mainly out west. I cant go to any school in north Carolina( i didnt take 4 yrs of HS math) which sucks, b/c they are such great schools. a lot of schools in VA which is where i live, dont have my program there...

and yes, any school that i look at i am going be very pickey about the education. that is why its so hard. like...I want to be a Communications major with a concentration in Media Studies(films, TV, etc etc) so far i've found a couple of schools. If i could go to penn state, dude i'd go there in a heart beat, but i dont have the grades for the school.
but the reason I am leaving is not b/c of the sorority if thats what you all are thinking..damn those girls are what made me survive my last semester at my school.

My school was just extremely unmotivating.it would basically accept all the druggies and people in HS who didnt give a shit. you would NOT believe how many people dropped out..its awful. I on the other-hand am not one of those people. I chose the school, b/c A) i didnt know that those kind of ppl were there an B) it was the largest school i was accepted to, so i wanted to take a challenge(it ending as not being one) my school consisted of 4,000 students and only 1,000 living on campus. So i basically knew everyone. saw the same people at parties, places on campus (or lack there of) were always empty. It just felt like HS to me b/c i come from such a large HS. plus everyone also went home on the weekends(including sorority sisters, so we never did nething on the weenkends) , it was just boring and depressing. and im not only one who thinks that about my school either.* im not going to say my school either**

I just feel like if i dont go to a school with my sorority that i'll be stuck. you know? not knowning anyone. everyone will be set in their ways that it seems like no one will want to make a new friend. but if i go into a school with my sorority and its a 50/50 that they'l accept me, then i at least have a base of people. I dont hae to get along with every single sister..ur not supposed to get along with everyone but see what I am saying. and i guess because my school didnt have any organizations i dont really know whats out there.

i hope everyone understands, and not attack me anymore.

You feel you are limited with your school selection because you want to major in Communication? What exactly is it that you want to do for a career? As far as media/Comm careers, you could major in Chemistry or Basket Weaving for all they care-- you just have to have some internship experience under your belt to get that first job. Trust me-- I speak from experience here!!! :) Think about what you want to do POST-college and what you need to get there.

I understand your concerns about wanting to be able to transfer to a school and potentially transfer into another chapter of your sorority (which is not a guarantee). But keep in mind that chapters vary so much from school to school, and that there are so many opportunities to make friends through the many campus organizations offered by any college. Good luck.

actually you are COMPELETLY wrong. im especially trying to go to a school that has MANY requirements for me to transfer there. so basically as of now i dont have a summer because all i've been doing for the past couple of weeks is going to summmer school and taking all these extra classes that are putting me way behind JUST to go to this one school. i'm in school MTWTH from 12pm-10pm. i dont think many people would waste their summer and do something like. that...they may take a class or 2 for their major, i on the other hand am not. im just simply taking classes that i dont need, but they satisify transfer requirements at that school. and i dont sound like a motivating person???? wooooowww.....
and ur right, my school doesnt really have my major..i thought it did when i first applied, but after being there a semester i realized that their program was just a joke and you cant get into any of the classes b/c they are SO tiny. and plus i found out more specifically what i want to do with my life, so i found some schools that has that subject.

Thats what i thought too, b.c i knew legacies dealt with relatives and stuff not transfer. but at the same time everyone else who go to different schools(like people at work who are in sororities) have been telling me that bunch of people get accepted. so i dont really know who to believe...

This isn't high school, it's college. Unless you get an apartment 5 miles off campus, go to class and go immediately home and don't talk to anyone, it's hard to NOT get to know people. You were outgoing enough to go through rush and join a sorority, just do it again except people won't be singing songs, ha ha. It isn't high school where people are going by what you were like in 9th grade and if you were a geek then you'll be a geek 4 years later, no matter how much you've changed. Most colleges aren't like that.

You made a bad choice with your college, and you probably should have left before you made a lifetime commitment to a sorority. But you didn't, and now it's done, so you have to deal w/ the consequences. That's called being a responsible adult.

could you get into a Penn State branch & then transfer to Main?

Regarding your above post, you didn't say any of those things at first and it honestly did make it look like academics was the last thing on your mind. You can't just give little pieces of info and expect us all to read your mind. All anyone has to go on is what you put on the page.

Oh please...do tell us which lucky group has you as a member.