ditto to what aries and KP said :)

This thread is getting interesting...anyone want popcorn? (passes bucket around)

Exactly. It's like everyone on GC debating if PNAIBetty should be a DST. It SHOULDN'T be up for discussion. And even IF it were, ultimately, it doesn't matter what conclusion we come to, because it has no actual bearing on reality, so what's the point? Ya'll just have it under control better...I don't see a D9 AI forum anywhere...:) :)

Because there's nothing to discuss. ;);)

A large percentage of NPHC initiates are graduate chapter initiates and it's something that's well known and widely accepted for decades. If folks want to know more they can check out our respective websites and talk to their local graduate chapters. :)

There are other things that we NPHCers discuss and debate that many NPC and IFCers don't see the point or what all the fuss is about. I was just wondering the origins of this GC debate and why there were so many threads. :)

Awhile ago, a handful of women came and posted their AI stories. Through that, other women have discovered AI and thought "Hey, I didn't get a chance to fulfill my lifelong dream of being in a sorority while in college, but now I can through AI"...and things have gotten out of hand since then. The problem is, AI is relatively new in process to many GCers (even those who have been in the NPC for awhile) and so it's been chaos on how to handle the situation.

I think those individual stories can easily be posted in the individual organizations' sub-forums. I don't see the purpose of a catch-all forum for AI stories since the story is really only about "how I became an XYZ" which is going to be wholly different from "how I became an ABC." Keeping them all in one place just encourages the shoppers.

Well the IDEA was that they were all going in the "Alumni Involvement" forum, and gunking that one up. I agree that they need to go into the individual GLO's forum and get rid of the rest of the mess. Also, it allows that sororities' Mod to determine the appropriateness of the information contained in that AI story.

But what about the people who are sorority shopping? Do they have to post a thread in the forum of each organization they are considering? ;)

Who the hell is guano? We actually have a member that chose a name that means bat droppings?

Yes. I think that would solve a lot of problems right-quick.

Carmel or buttered???:D

If most people are unhappy with Penguin and Carnation as mods then maybe we should just give the forum back to Tom.

The recruitment mods were nice enough to offer to moderate the forum after the previous debate, and everyone seemed happy with the change, now many of the same people deliberately seem to be antagonizing them.

Going down the same Path they took with Tom before. I'm starting to think that maybe Tom wasn't the problem, they were.

So why don't we spare the mods the agravation and give the forum back to Tom, someone nothing seems to bother, or maybe . . . tone the complaints down.

So the present moderators, or back to Tom. You choose by your conduct.

This is a logical fallacy -- a false dilemma.

The forum should be deleted completely.

I don't think anyone is suggesting handing it back to Tom. (Why on earth would that make sense?)

I don't know that the criticism is as much with the current mods, either. The point is- in the actual world of how AI works, any PNAI who is running around shouting about how they might want to be an XYZ or maybe an ABC or perhaps a DEF, which one will get back to her? Which one will take her? It's her DREAM and she just didn't get to do it in college and it is so unfaiiiir that people keep trying to steer her away would get shut down and promptly.

If AI commentary was restricted to the respective organizations' subforums, that type of conversation would have no place. As long as there is an open free for all area, as if AI is, like recruitment, similar across the board, that type of conversation will flourish. And I don't think ANYONE wants to encourage it. (The "AI is my great chance!" conversations, not actual AI, which I think many of us DO support.)

Neither.

Follow the D9 Forums' lead and nip all membership-related questions (including AI) in the bud or get rid of this forum completely.

Those are better suggestions.

I'm sorry, but I swear the name associated with this post reads "James" not "John".

If people keep pushing they are not going to want to moderate it anymore, and its already been decided not to delete the forum.

Why not hand it back to Tom? . . Why would any other moderator want to do it?

John has no obligation to try and pick moderator to please members. Although, this latest change could be looked at as a nice attempt to do exactly that . . which seems to be failing.

It's not Recruitment Forum Mods or Tom. We're saying that an AI Forum has no place here. AI is not recruitment. AI is something sororities invite individuals to in very special instances-- and it is overwhelmingly not something that we want to promote or publicize at this point in time. There should be no AI Forum or sub forum. AI can be discussed to the point of "I'm a new sister of XYZ and I joined through AI!" or a stickied thread at the top of the Alum Involvement Forum/Recruitment Forum stating that while GC recognizes the value AI members bring to their chapters, GC -RESPECTS- the wishes of NPC AI policies to practice discretion in not publicizing AI to non-members. Anyone interested in AI should talk to a friend or family member with a link to an NPC sorority."

Why is that so hard to comprehend? We don't want to discuss AI in the level of detail to which is has been discussed on GC?

AI is not recruitment. It is not part of chapter operations, risk management, social, fundraising, et. al. It is part of Greek Life, but an extremely modest number of women. The vast majority of members don't even know AI exists. Many don't like the idea of it. Others do. Those who support the program aren't actively recruiting in droves.

We don't need to promote AI on GC at all. No need for a moderator. No need for a forum. It just should not be the big issue it has become. This isn't about Tom. This isn't about Barb. This is about the AI process and exercising discretion. Why can't we do away with an AI specific forum and refer anyone interested to talk to a member of a sorority who AI'd?

Actually I was in favor of getting rid of the forum completely also . . so i agree with you. I don't think you can have the forum exist though and expect to be able to just terminate every thread. It would look kind of funny.

Why should it exist, James? It is solely a place for people with reasons that NPC members have explicitly said are NOT reasons to AI to pursue a pipe dream. Should we also have a forum where we can all post about our pursuit of the ability to fly? A forum for men who want to join sororities and women who want to join men's fraternities? A forum for people who think their pet poodle would make a killer sorority woman?

Why not? Didn't he put this site up to please members? I don't see huge advertisements generating clicks and profits.

This isn't an impossible request. Delete the forum and anyone with AI questions can find an AI.

If nothing else, this would make it easier for the current moderators since there would be a lot less reported posts.

In my opinion, Tom should be stripped of all moderator rights based on his recent conduct.

co-sign

In my opinion, he should have been stripped of moderator rights long ago based on the content of his posts alone.

As much as I may or may not agree, let's not turn this into a "Who's the better moderator" debate--- please. It dilutes from the major issue that has been bothering the majority of NPC posters active in the AI Forum. We support AI within our sororities. We don't support AI as a Greek Chat forum.

We have James to thank for that.

It was never a "better moderator" debate and I don't know why he decided to turn it in to one. :rolleyes:

Please do not ever again mention Tom being stripped. A picture I do not need in my mind!

Agreed!

This would help how? It has nothing to do with who the mods are, it has to do with the point of the fourm in the first place.

Amen! If I am pro anything it is pro deletion of the entire forum. It serves no useful purpose anymore.

Agreed and I have expressed as much to John.

Likewise. John is the only person who can do anything about that, so please contact him if you have a problem.

Only in 38 states.

That sounds so quotable-- Sunshine blowing is legal in 12 states. Thankfully, my butt is parked in one of the 38 where it's illegal.

Bumpersticker!!!!

This would help how? It has nothing to do with who the mods are, it has to do with the point of the fourm in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I have little to no problem with PT or Carnation. We see differently on some things. But, as long as the guano is kept under control, I'm good.

The point is more that all posts should be judged equally in ALL forums. The AI thing was only an EXAMPLE of a thread that ended up being deleted because it began to get heated. I see nothing wrong with lively debate. I highly encourage it. And, you should know that, James.

The part about AI has only been reposted because I was making a point to keep the original thread intact. Lest someone report it or try to delete it, I wanted to make sure that all reposts contained the original text for John to review.

i have been sitting on the sidelines (munching my popcorn). i have to say that i am amazed and impressed that this thread has finally evolved into a constructive discussion that makes valid points. i understand where you all are coming from now-frankly, i rarely venture into the ai forum myself, except when someone pm's me that a knock-down drag out is occuring. pm those valid point to john.