lol, thanks for sending me to the same thread ;)

And for babylyne, you mentioned "if the Alpha chapter of DZO someday went national"... You do know they were trying to affiliate this past year, correct? See the previous thread posted about Exansions. I can only assume that either they changed their minds, or the presenters backed away as they are still DZO.

/Unless they're trying again this year...

Future reference point:

Starting a thread to "clear the air" on GC rarely makes anything better, and in fact, usually makes things worse.

This thread is a good example.

This is a perfect example of airing your chapter's dirty laundry in public. Number one "Don't" on your list of "Do's and Don'ts."

Secondly, quit taking everything so darned personally. Will you ever meet any of these people in your life? No. So don't worry about making sure the story is "straight" in their heads.

Thirdly, and this is a question journalists must ask themselves when pitching a new story and considering if that story is worth telling to the faceless masses: Who Cares? Not us. We're not PNMs on your campus, members of your campus Panhellenic or your campus community.

While I can't say I believe that a collegiate member with, at the most, 2 years of in-chapter experience, would knowingly sabotage a local for the sake of going national and manage to pull the wool over the eyes of the innocent local members, nor that she would have total control in the formation of a local's rituals and symbols and piss off her HQ, I'm sure it is possible and it sounds like some major miscommunication... I just don't think she'd know enough about colonization to make that happen under the ok of a Greek Adviser who is well versed in sorority expansion practices. And it sounds more like a series of miscommunications and gossip that became cold hard facts than any deep, dark deception to rule the world.

As far as your chapter or self being judged based on the actions of other chapters or from other chapter members, yes it happens all the time. It's called stereotyping and everyone does it. I can say all people from Philadephia wear mullets if I've only ever seen one person from Philly with a mullet. And I can assume that all members of DZO act the way that the chapter members I've seen on TV portray it. I can also say that all Scientologists jump on couches and are crazy, because I've seen one do it on TV. It's called human nature. If you belong to a group and a member or a group of members do something to embarrass/bring honor to the group it reflects back on everyone, positive and negative. That is a very important lesson to impart to your fellow sisters.

Good luck.

Keep the thread on topic. Anymore off-topic guano posted here will be deleted again.

Judas on a Vespa - could they have found a more illegible font? Could the site load a little more slowly - I have a few grey hairs that haven't come in yet. :rolleyes:

Yeah, they seem kind of all around obnoxious!

YES YES YES.
There was an Alpha Phi "knock off" website and that sorority was called: Phi Beta Psi http://www.phibetapsi.org/

I guessed they were told to take down their Alpha Phi'esque website, because it is not anymore.

We talked about it here:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ult+sororities (jump to Fuzzie's comment and then valkyrie's response)
That thread is going back 4 years, so not too bad of a memory, huh?

Oh, oh! I forgot about that one. It looked EXACTLY like the A Phi site.

Don't you love people who copy not only the sorority but the webpage too? I mean you might get away with the first (at least for a while) but the webpage? Hello....

I know there was a Zeta copycat somewhere a long time back. I can't find it now, but I remember seeing the site and thinking that a Zeta HAD to be involved in the founding of the local.

LOL@Judas on a Vespa!! That font is so bad it should't even be a choice anywhere. Looks like I wrote it with my left foot.

wasn't there also an AOII copycat?

Hehe.

Also...since they spefically state that they are a local...why do they have a local AND National philanthropy??

Could it be a philanthropy that's local to their area, and one that's for the whole country? My local had both.

Well, their site isn't COMPLETELY like ours was...but they do still refer to themselves as "fuzzies" -- which is fine, they can keep that nickname (y'all know how I feel about that!). But they also say their masco is "Al Fuzzy." Hmmm...

Check this out....
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=38521

There's a local at Michigan Tech that says in their history that they once had the opportunity to affiliate with ZTA but declined so that they could keep their local traditions.

I think this stems from ignorance out of how the expansion process works. You cannot necessarily "ask" a group directly if they will "turn your local into" one of their (inter)national chapters ("See our website? We wanna be one of your new chapters.". )

Basically, Panhellenic has to decide if that campus is even open for expansion to being with, and then the various members of the 26 will decide whether they think it's feasible to explore a colony / chapter at that campus. And if they do, then they'll tell the NPC, "Hey, we wanna do extension at that campus".

And then extension gets underway where girls from the local will be recruited / "vetted" for the prospective NPC colony. Being in the local does not guarantee an invitation to membership in the NPC colony-would-be chapter.

lol, well I get it.. now if only we could explain that to everyone else.

My undergrad had a KD clone. Colors, even name were similar. They went national- but to Chi O. Weird. (not that Chi O is weird- just their decision since it seemed like they so wanted KD. ;) )

CLEARLY you think KD is WEIRD :p How unPanhellenic!

/just teasing

It's possible that, AT THAT TIME, KD was committed to other 'ventures' and did not want to (or was unable to) pursue a colony at that location. Or maybe they just plain "din't wanna".

I know of a local in an "up north" campus that wanted to affiliate with an NPC, but the vast majority of the NPCs said "no" due to the lack of alumnae support in the area. I think 2 or 3 were "interested", but I think the thing essentially fizzled and now they are still a local. FWIW, they seem to be thriving and doing okay, so there you go.
http://www.geocities.com/sorority_un.../national.html

That website hasn't been updated since 2001. :confused: Do you know first hand that "they seem to be thriving and doing okay"?

Yeah, I think it was a "didn't wanna" b/c KD was one of the chapters that presented to them, if I remember correctly. It was years ago and I am an old lady....jk.

Just because a sorority makes a presentation does not mean that they pursued it further. The girls could have chosen KD but KD decided not to continue, so they went with another group. Simple speculation though.

As far as I know, they are still a local, but they know call themselves "Alpha Pi Beta". (Before, I think they just referred to themselves as "The Sorority"). :)
I was in touch with one of the gals there for a little bit, and then I think she and I flipped emails once or twice in January 2005. So I think that they are still operating. :)

Very true...but if I remember right, they did. And, the school's Panhel was so surprised at the Chi O decision that they had an extra meeting with the local asking about KD specifically b/c of the similarities and strength of the sisterhood.

I don't really know too much about it now...just what happened then somewhat b/c my little was on Panhel at the time. Anyway, I don't think the Chi O chapter is doing that great on the campus eventhough it is a strong national sorority. I don't think they made quota this year.