Yes. I look up the closest AC and warn them. But I do usually caveat that I have never met the person and that the decision is ultimately theirs (but I add that caveat to emails I send on every AI who contacts me).

I would with exactly what you said. It all depends on the AI.

Excuse me, but I thought that this was an open Greek Chat Web Site!

It is owned by one person only and not the property of a few people who want to feel that they want to own it.


Alphafrog, I know what I was refering to, but then again you seem to feel you know me better than I know my self.

There is or was a thread under navanes name, unless it was deleted that listed NPC members and what or how they handle AI.


Thank you for your undieing love anyway!:)

Right, it is an open site. But most people have the common sense not to participate in the discussion of something they don't know anything about.

Was that the one where you and two of your sisters got called out for being AI hypocrites?

Wasn't that the one where I asked a certain moderator to stop harassing me?

Yeah, that's it. I'm pretty sure it was moved.

And Tippie's still recovering from dental surgery. I can only imagine how apeshit she'll be when she gets back.

Wait...I'm confused. Are you actually saying that you'd want someone who sorority shopped, and then found and AIed GPhiB to sponsor other women who are sorority shopping, and use that other AI for a "quick in"?

Ok...now I'm confusing myself. This is too much. Just please stop the sorority shoppers before they drive me cuckoo.

No, I think SBGPB is agreeing w/ you and missed a word or two in her post. :)

Enough already...!

Why?

Barbara, if you have a problem with this discussion, can you move it out of your forum then? I can understand how this doesn't pertain to AI at all, and so since that's the case can you just get it out of here so that God forbid we don't irritate you?

People are PISSED that threads get deleted. Why can't we freely talk about it?

I don't understand -- enough what already? If we're not allowed to contribute honest comments to the discussion of AI, why is this forum here? If threads are deleted with no explanation, it's reasonable to expect people to ask why -- without an explanation, how does anybody know what was objectionable?

What's especially frustrating is that if you don't log on to GreekChat for one day, you miss half the conversation because it's already gone.

It is a bit over-moderated. But then again, when fratties come on board, people get in arms about their posts, so I guess beggers can't be choosers.

It is different, though-- every other board mods only for over the top personal attacks (you can safely call somone a f*cktard without fear of deletion, but if you start going off on their personal life or reveal things about them IRL it gets deleted) or just deleting SPAM.

ETA: I meant that every board that I visit outside of Greek Chat mods in this way-- wasn't saying the Recruitment board mods differ from other GC mods. Just wanted to clarify.

What's sad is that SPAM gets taken care of faster than the more important issues.

And to be honest, SPAM is easily recognized by the rest of us. It doesn't need to be deleted ASAP, it's not like I'm going to run out and buy whatever you are hawking because Mister 1st and Only Post wants me to.

You mean you really DON'T want to by a Nokia for cheap? ;)

Or a SIDEKICK.. don't forget those.

Such bullshit. People on here are such pansies. I feel as though I am in Communist China. Don't go against the man! For real, people need to seriously chill out. When you can't even have a conversation ON A CHAT BOARD what is the point of the board existing at all?

Earp, you're right some people do want to control GC. But, you need to look in the mirror.

The only posts I've deleted here are blatantly insulting and rude and don't pertain to the conversation at hand. I've left the discussion here and honestly, it doesn't irritate me. If folks people don't like how a forum is moderated, then they are free to not discuss issues in it. However, Carnation and I will not tolerate personal attacks and posts and threads that degrade to that (most especially pro-AI vs. anti-AI) are going to be closed down. If you want, I'll post a sticky with the names of anti-AI and pro-AI members so that if anyone posts to this forum, they'll know what they are about to get into. Honestly, no matter what we do as mods, it's never going to please everyone and as mods, we get awful tired of cleaning up the same messes time and time again. It's like each new person that posts in regards to specific topics is just another reason to rehash bad feelings.

I would have to spend half my life explaining why I deleted certain posts, so would Carnation. Name calling, etc. won't be tolerated and those posts are deleted w/o warning.

Honest discussion is fine, rudeness is not. The AI forum is difficult to moderate, it always has been. It was moved here because Carnation and I are stricter mods that most. The forum was moved here as an experiment to see if it could become a better functioning portion of GC. Can anyone honestly say that has happened?

Just as a reminder, at the start of this topic I posted that the thread in question was removed at the request of the original poster.

http://www.penguintrax.com/Images/closedaithreads.jpg

The topic was never removed because of its content or because it was reported. Please read back over the first page - you are making accusations that are not valid to the original purpose of this thread.

You can't see the image above because only mods can manage threads. At least, I think that's the case.

PT, I don't think they are referring to that thread. They are referring to the two that I started that were both deleted. The second time, John saw the topic and actually re-placed it in ChitChat. However, now it has been deleted. For apparently no reason.

The first of which PT made a note that she may have accidentally deleted it.

You mean KR.

Yes, I do

*facepalm*

Sorry, too many initials.

Make sure that those (or she, rather) who choose to hide behind your skirt gets this memo as well.

This forum's turned into a P.O.S...I really wish John would get rid of it. I'm sure there are others who agree.

Funny isn't it, that my thread got deleted. YET this post stays up even after it's reported:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...&postcount=235

It's in the "fun" thread. Odd, I don't find it FUNny. I find it anti-Muslim and horribly insensitive. GC is indeed full of hypocrisy.

Barbara, I posted this in Tippiechick's thread that got deleted and since it was worth noting, I'm reposting it. In one of the many deleted threads (hmm, do we see a pattern here?) PM_Mama00 said that when she mentioned to a high up person in Phi Mu that she learned about AI from greekchat, the person basically rolled her eyes. That is problem. GC has become so diluted and PC that we are giving out false information. Any woman doing a search for Vera Bradley bags can stumble on GC, learn about AI, and decides that she wants to be in a sorority. She can contact the HQs of every single sorority, but if the officers of that sorority do not want AI's who have no connections to that organization, the so-called "journey" will end there. GC is not the Make a Wish Foundation of greek life. It is not our job to encourage any and every person to find their home. If you delete all of the posts that are not pro-AI and leave only the success stories, then you are falsely sending out a message that AI is easy and that anyone can do it.

I agree OTW, but I feel that if the AI forum was deleted, the...shall we say... more "interesting" PNAMs would just start posting in the regular recruitment thread with the same questions over and over.

It's too bad that there are so many trainwreck threads because I really love threads like OrchidAlum's (not to be biased towards the AXO AIs...:) ). It's unfortunate that some PNAMs persist in posting their stories when they're getting tons of negative feedback about the way in which they're pursuing AI. While I understand that namecalling and personal attacks toward a PNAM are deletable offenses, it's very very frustrating to see someone blithely posting their story, making no effort to be discreet or sensitive when they *know* that the majority of other GCers are not supportive of their particular search.

I don't feel that I delete the anti-AI posts any more than I delete any other posts. I do delete anti-AI posts that become insulting, rude or patronizing. I've deleted posts by pro-AI folks for the same reason. Any post made to this forum without becoming a exercise in sniping and backstabbing, will be left alone. That has always been our policy.

Bottom Line: Make your point, pro or con, politely and succinctly and it will stay on the forum.

I'm only speaking for myself here, but I feel like certain posters get preferential treatment over others. When someone (name witheld to prevent this from becoming a personal attack) disagrees with others' views, she makes a point of reporting every single post and making sure that everyone on GC knows about this. Those posts are usually deleted at the speed of light. Yet when others disagree with what she is saying or even report her posts, moderators tend to jump in and defend her against the big, bad, world that is GC. I just don't see how this is fair.

And all of a sudden GC has meaning again.

I agree with this 110%.

It's so obvious it's not even funny.

Since I started this thread, to clarify, I was only asking about the two threads that PT deleted because the original poster requested them. It wasn't about any other threads.

I think most of us are aware of that, but since Tip's post discussing other thread deletions got moved, I guess the conversation moved here. The majority of the comments in Tip's thread were AI related, anyway.

So confused......what threads are we talking about? Here's how I understand...first, threads that were requested deleted and now, threads that were deleted that some claim should have been and others claim were targetted unfairly.

Am I straight on this? (Geez, a girl cannot forget about GC for a few days without missing stuff ;))

For me it wouldn't matter, but I would want the sister to be active. Like I wouldn't want her to have gone through the entire AI steps to just initiate, do a couple of things and walk away. Does that make sense? But that would go for any alum in my book.

Like I'm active in the local alum association. There are some sisters who "pop up" once every like 2-3 years to an event and then they are gone. Would I feel it is appropriate for one of them to come in and be like "hey I've got someone I would love for y'all to meet for possible AI membership"? No, but I would meet the person because I don't feel I should blame them or hold them accountable for the members behavior. Does that make sense?

Makes sense to me.

I was more worried about the PNAI who finally fulfills her lifelong dream of being in a sorority after contacting 8 different groups and finally getting into one who decides to "help" other women fulfill their lifelong dream of being in a sorority...and well...you get the picture...

That is exactly what frightens me. I just shudder at the thought of this one girl who couldn't get through and kept trying, even the worst chapter that disbanded because of numbers wouldn't take her, then becoming a sister and bringing in her equal minded friends to get even or fulfill some dream of sorority life that she saw in a magazine or 90210.

This forum is becoming, or already is, a trainwreck though.

Totally agree 100%.

I think it's a trust your sisters thing. She's still only one member of an alum chapter. If all of a sudden the chapter went from initiating a woman once every... 10 years to initiating a woman a year, HQ would take notice.

I figure that there are enough protections in the way from Nationals down to the Alum chapter that would prevent something like that from getting out of hand.

Of course, you never know but it could turn out that you end up with 25 excellent active alums. Unfortunately it loses the meaning of "alum" when everyone joined recently. hmm.