Don't ever go to an art museum. ;)

lol

You are very ignorant.

It's not really a question of what is offensive. I think it's more classless then offensive. There are better things to do with ones time.

What does UGA have anything to do with it? Anything? Remind me again, where all the race riots have occurred in the last 15 - 20 years? Philly, LA, and so on. The ignorance comes from within the ghettoes of these cities, not from the middle class South.

Well I don’t care what anyone says I enjoy watching Flavor of Love 2…wait what thread is this?

Did you attend the Dan Quayle School of Spelling?

"Being called ignorant by a regular Greekchatter is like being called racist by a liberal, you know they're losing the argument." - Elephant Walk, Sept. 5, 2006 9:40 pm "AOPi at Arkansas" thread.

Really?

Tom, it's not really press, it's just some race baiting jagoff who thought they should write an editorial to inflame racial tensions.

Just curious, what was the reason for the spelling be post? Should this be reported?

Eveveryone has a bad hair day, how about you?:)


Kevin, of course it is as some or most of us should know.;)



But, as a conjuntive adjactive some find more different.:D

Who is debating whether black women would find it offensive? I am sure some did. I am sure a lot of people who are not black women find this offensive. That is what makes this incident so dumb- that is was a pointless public exhibition that served no purpose whatsoever.

But this is a free country and this was freedom of expression- even if that freedom was exercised in the poorest of taste.

The punishment for being offensive is that your reputation suffers in the public eye.

Yet now there are people on this thread who think Chi Phi should be kicked off campus even though, a) we don't have all the facts and, b) individuals on this forum- myself included- have offered some more insight into why this particular incident, given the facts presented, is not a clear cut case of wrongdoing by Chi Phi as a chapter or national organization.

But to top it off, you have now said "This is UGA after all" and you are making a definitive statement about a 30,000 member University based on the actions of 7 freshman who made a very bad decision.

This is the kind of thing that kills civil debate. I and others have tried to frame a discussion around this which gets to very important issues about Risk Management and how an adult should behave when representing himself and another group of people.

And the response from some has been to say basically,

1. White men
2. Fraternity
3. Southern University
4. Guilty
5. Kick a whole chapter of a fraternity off campus (and out of school too no doubt if some of you had your way)

How does that attitude to anything to better anybody's situation here? How is that a rational response to what really happened here?

Last time I looked this was GreekChat.com. How is the turn this thread has taken doing anything to forward forum members' understanding and handling of a situation that involves a fraternal organization?

OK, the fact is that these guys are idiots, and that puts them solidly in a large category of college students. I don't know if freedom of expression is enough to get the fraternity off the hook for this aprticular act of stupidity.

However, it's interesting that had Chi Phi members been participatng in some sort of sophomoric sociology experiment churned out by some grad student, the whole thing would be written off as an academic exercise ("We were tryin to record the reaction of random people, man.").

Chi Phi would be wise to shut up, apologize to everyone, and lay low for awhile.

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman. I don't have a problem with ANYONE taking their clothes off to make money, but I do have a problem with someone feeling that it is okay to expose these pictures to those who are not willing viewers. Even now if someone wants to debate whether it's sexist or racist, that's fine, they have the right to do so. But I (as is ME MYSELF AND I AND NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY OTHER PERSON BUT MYSELF) firmly believe that tolerance of such acts (like the ones committed), if not addressed and immediately dealt with, give the impression that behavior like this is okay. And it's NOT OKAY.

I used to be on the "I'm NOT a feminist" tangent because I bought into the (gendered) stereotypes.

For clarity's sake:
There are different waves and extremes of feminism since the formal feminist wave of the 1970s. All that aside, being a (male or female) feminist simply means that you believe in equality across sex and gender.

At many institutions, the students AND instructors/faculty member(s) in charge would be subject to disciplinary action.

ETA: No TAs with a grain of brain and ethics would think up such an exercise for undergraduates. But if they did, they would be smart enough to consult the sociology department and Institutional Review Board (IRB) beforehand.

That woul be a death knell quote....if I were a regular Greekchatter. However, by calling me one is a pretty good offense...and there was no argument.

I say that I'm not a feminist because for me it means being an active advocate for the rights of females. At this point in time, while I gladly stand up for my rights as best as I can, I don't have time to pursue them heavily. Perhaps when I'm older with a steady, proper job then I will devote more time to raising awareness for the worldwide injustice towards women. Right now, I'm just trying to make it through college! :o

That's not what it means, though.

Huh? LOL

This retort is as humorous as when you argued that slavery was anti-capitalism. :D

I don't want to argue it here...but how is there any possible way that slavery could pro-capitalism? How? seriously, slavery is the antithesis of capitalism. Slavery mixes well with mercantilism, but that's borderline fascism.

:light bulb: hey babypink, how bout you readjust that definition for us at the end of the semester sweets?

i dont know why women (or men) are afraid to identify with feminism. anyone who has some college education should know that feminism is not all the non-shaven, man-hating, equal-rights-wanting nonsense one thinks it is. and like sistergreek DSTCHAOS said, there are different waves of feminism that may or may not fit to your "i'm NOT a feminism" attitude.

to quote one of my professors (who considered herself feminist and womanist) re: feminism:

"when i realized that my opinion mattered, people were willing to listen to my opinion, and was no longer afraid to share it, that's when i knew i was a feminist, and furthermore a woman." think about that when you say "my opinion is just my opinion."

i know, i digress, but such is the state of GC these days. carry on.

Digress away,

"Who Stole Feminism" by Cristina Hoff Summer tells an intelligent tale about what happens when a vital social movement achieves its goals as an advocacy movement (meaning that further improvement is possible- but the need for political intervention has passed) and is then grotesquely twisted to fill the empty lives of an increasingly fanatical minority who need to find an outlet to deal with personal issues.

The same can be said for other movements as well.

Someone is going to misread this and go off- but oh well. I said it as carefully and succinctly as possible- so to hell with it.

People! These are grown @ss men! Let them be accountable for their actions! LOL

The fact that YOU even said something....

Y'all are on feminism now? Wow.

Girl I don't even know why you answered him. LOL

at least get paid for the pr0n

LOL!

What do you mean by this?

So when Chi Phi accepted these guys as pledges, the chapter assumed responsibility for every thing any pledge does? Remarkable.

If two underage, probationary members of your chapter are caught drinking in their dorm rooms or on the sidewalk, should your whole chapter be held accountable and punished?

Lol for once I like one of your responses!

Not so long ago, this statement was not true. I'm not sure it's even true today. There are some folks who think racism is perfectly alright, that their race is superior to the other(s), etc. They might not call it racism, but "white supremacy," or folks that believe in the melanin theory, etc.

Okay, so you think that the group rallying for abortion rights ought to be punished for their views if they offend others? Because if you say you "never said that," then you must be supportive of the idea of punishing ANY offensive speach. The trouble with that is that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. Where do you want to draw the line? Would you punish Christians rallying against homosexual rights? Or would you punish homosexuals rallying against Christians? Israelis protesting terrorist activities? Or would you punish Palestinian students for protesting the Israeli occupation?

You don't seem to mind punishing some speach, so which speach is okay, and which isn't? Are you the one who gets to decide this? Also, what makes you think that this is racism? The picture is of a black woman. So what? Are all pictures of black women racist?

What type of 'actions' would you have take place? I appreciate that you are offended, but besides you, who should care about your being offended? Why Chi Phi? Why not also punish the French Club if these guys are members of that as well?

I don't mean to sound harsh. I appreciate your responses.

I have to disagree a little bit. I have done two such experiments for sociology classes in high school and college. They were more open ended though. They did not specifically tell us to show porn to people or anything like that, but we were all supposed to do something deviant in public. The instructors and TA's told us before we began, that if students broke any laws, those same students would be fully liable. So if people get arrested, beat up, or punished for their actions in the experiment, it's their own fault.

In this case, I could care less to a point. I'm kind of glad that those Chi Phi pledges are seeing their first amendment rights cut up and used against them. I kind of think about what would have happened a few decades ago if some Black students, greek or not, had pulled that same kind of stunt with a Playboy or something. Even if it was perfectly legal, I shudder to think of how severely they would have been dealt with by students and staff alike.

Good idea. ;)

What did you supposedly say carefully and succinctly? Translation please.

Then you don't really disagree with me.

The law holds the students accountable but the institutions hold the (students and) TAs/faculty accountable. Been there, done that.

We're actually still "on" (racial and) gendered stereotypes.

Forest through the trees, and all that good stuff.

You're right. I just haven't said anything in a while.

:rolleyes:

Intelligence doesn't sound harsh to me.

I feel like I'm in Intro to Political Science.

Hold up, you don't have to get smart with me. I just asked a question. You need to calm your ass down just a tad, for real. I asked that because I thought that's what we WERE talking about.