So are there any more thoughts out there on hazing laws applying to the NFL or not? We've established that college students, and NFL players are both adults. So why is the NFL's hazing publicized while greek hazing is scorned?

Interesting discussion but the point is being missed as sdbeta1 has pointed out.

Guys pledging a fraternity don't sign $50 million dollar contracts and make big money to provide entertainment for the general public- entertainment that brings millions of dollars of income to the owners of NFL teams, many of which are affiliated with media organizations.

For that matter, if you read a lot of recent books on hazing- or keep track of student publications- you will find that hazing in African American fraternities is often somewhat excused as part of the "black experience" while hazing in traditionally white old money fraternities is considered some evil thing (check out "Wrongs of Passage" as a good example.) This is not to say all African American fraternities universally seek to live under a double standard. They don't (in fact I have never had a member of a predominantly African-American fraternity tell me he thought brutal hazing was part of some uniquely African American experience- it is academia and the media that spread this tale.) But the media certainly handles hazing incidents in fraternities differently based on race.

Fraternity men care about our brothers and our pledges. We do. Sometimes lines are crossed and sometimes bad things happen. And we are not happy about this. In fact, I think it is safe to say that the worst hazing incidents in most chapters are instigated by a very few brothers. The greater sin is when the sensible majority fails to stop these events from happening.

But we are also keenly aware that hazing as it is portrayed in the media is largely politically influenced by organizations who resent and hate men who just happen to have been born white and middle to upper class.

Hazing is a natural human instinct. It happens everywhere you go- from kindergarten to the retirement home. Anytime you enter a new environment, there are certain "tests" you have to pass to be one of the crew.

This does not mean we should excuse the extreme form it often takes in college.

But I also do not excuse the way in which hazing accusations are portrayed in the media following an all too familiar pattern of a certain political line of thought- with a healty dose of concession to hazing that occurs in social avenues that generate significant income from the general public!

I wouldn't even call what happens in professional sports, "hazing." I'd call it a rite of passage. Every major sport in the country has teams that make the rookies and such carry their bags, sing at team meals, tie them up to the goal post, etc. etc.

Just wondering that if The NFL Teams had Greek letters for names if it would make a difference in the perception of what hazing is?:D

While not, so far, able to locate any kind of links on/about Pro-sports, found this one on College sports:
80% of Collage athletes victims of hazing!
http://www.thehazinglawyers.com/uplo...t_30__1999.pdf

Found the link on the site of a Texas law office:
http://www.thehazinglawyers.com/Anti-Hazing_Laws.html

^yes, i'll agree with that. I have a family member that played for Philadelphia from '75-'80 and he said they did alot of stuff to the rookies.

Hazing laws are such a double standard. Like someone said, the reason NFL and pro sports don't get hurt is because of one thing: MONEY.

It's so stupid that they get away with stuff that fraternities get ripped by the media if they do the same exact thing.

Double Standards only cause more problems, not prevent them.

On the other hand, how many NFL Rookies have been killed by hazing?

And, they're all old enough to drink.

A few years ago a player on the Saints was hit in the face with a roll of quarters and almost lost an eye.

Well, you should also consider that there are a lot more greek life members in the U.S. than there are NFL players. I'm sure that one day NFL hazing may result in serious injury, but there simply arent as many opportunities for it that there are in American greek life. On a side note, is the rate of death among greeks higher than other subsets of society? I highly doubt it. I'd also challenge how pro sports exist at all. I imagine there are several team sports and popular sports which claim the lives of more people than do fraternities. However, I don't see society outraged about boxing or outraged about tackling in football. Why's that? Because its VOLUNTARY THATS WHY. Now, some of you people will surely say, "well, fraternities arent really voluntary because if they quit they'll be stigmatized," and that may be true. However, do you not think you'll be stigmatized if you leave a football team, or want to leave the army? Of course you will. Double standard indeed.

OH BS, it is a right of Passage of the NFL/Pro Sports Team and Military.:mad:

Greeks Hell NO as it should be!

Drinking age has nothing to do with it.

It boils down if people are Stupid enough to do it, it will continue!:mad:

We as Greeks are in the lime light and will always be for being stupid college kids, the elite so to speak!

Oh, that is BS too!

New Viking Coach ends Hazing
 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=117155

On the other hand, Panther slide/audio show of their hazing:
http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.d.../1005/sports08

And while not all that great, not left alone out side over night.

And does anyone here really think or believe that the coaching staff, training staff, management, owners, unions, players reps would let it get too out of hand?

As what happens all to often on college campus's? Where no one is looking out for the "victim"?

Or to put it another way: how often have has a chapter done it's hazing in outside, in the day time with members of the press, law enforcement, Dean of Students office, medical staff, legal department and parents looking over it?