Ok now lets look at this, if 1 out of every 4 students is on academic probation and only 17% of incoming Freshmen are graduating in 4 years, then my math tells me that the blame either lays with the University (Faculty included) or the students, and I dont think that all of these cases is due to the fact that the student doesnt want to be there, because in fact someone is paying for it, and its kinda pointless to waste your money even though some still do.

So yes I obviously made a mistake by coming here, but I had several reasons for coming in the first place.

1) Major
2) Football
3) Money
4) Heard it was a good school as well
5) An area I thought I would like

It isnt until you look deeper and investigate a little, and then other things happening as well, that you determine how the situation is, and if you want to remain there.

That's unfortunate. Good luck to you.

That's unfortunate. Good luck to you.

Well, your rants against A&T have proven that looks can be deceiving and your chapter is, instead, a force to be reckoned with. I will keep that in mind next time I visit the yard. :D

I'm kind of getting the impression that LXA isn't "well thought of" because they're not doing all the same things that the NPHC chapters do. But wasn't that a (pre)complaint about the Pikes at Howard? How they better not start doing X Y and Z because it isn't a PiKA tradition?

All I can say is that the U of MN has had it share of problems--low graduation rates, rapid changes in leadership, athletic scandals, and unjustified rising tuitions causing folx to jump ship. So A&T isn't alone in this. I suggest you do a thorough investigation of new schools before transferring. You might find the same problems under the surface.

You ran with Tom Earp's train of thought didn't you? Chaos merely stated that no one pays them any attention and SHE had not seen them representing--which could have been in a number of ways.

That then got translated by others to "not being well thought of" and it's because they don't act like the the NPHC. Which then led to a dissertation about how horrible a school NC A&T is anyway.

Actually I didn't even read Earp. I got that from the "not representing" comment. I don't know anything about the school, but that comment made me want to ask for clarification from the start. I just delayed in hope the conversation would get there (and of course it went off on a tangent)

Okay, gotcha. ;)

Exactly. :)

My rant...
 

/hijack

It seems to me that there is a lot of OUR kids not knowing how to go the college--period...

And it ain't about US not telling them either, because we are. But there is a complete LACK of expectations by adults BEFORE these children get admitted to college/university.

We know most high schools are not preparing OUR students. We understand that. And with the tests to get out of high school, most of OUR students will not have high school diplomas to move on to legally sustainable wages.

I cannot tell you the increased observations of "back talk" I have received from UNIVERSITY STUDENTS piping up at me because of they fail to plan and try to constitute that as my problem.

I do not mind general questioning of the subject matter, but I do have a problem when one fails to read course materials.

But then my dumbassed university sent an email to faculty about how a kid in NorCal wanted to go our Medical School and somehow wanted to visit the school and demanded we pay his assets up here... He hasn't a clue how many kids are trying to get into this Med School... Nada.

So the expectations and logic of most entering college students... I don't know...

The United States will not be competitive in the STEMI fields...

Oh well.

/end hijack

That's the most hijackenest of a hijack that I've ever read.

Is it safe to assume that AKA_Monet is indirectly responding to the A&T LXA dude?

Yeah, there's no hostility or anything. And God knows I don't take advice from Earp ;) Perhaps just a definition of what "representing" means in this situation would clear it up for me.

Monet, that is scary.

Also, how can he expect the med school to pay for all that??

Maybe someone of you should live in the shoes of this member of LXA and what he is trying to express about the situation that ahs been going on with the school and not belittle or saying how fine a school it may be.

All schools can have problems as it seems to be from this one at the moment.

But to judge what a person has to say who goes there and does have a first hand knowledge, then those that just want to post and make assumptions are in error.

I was a help in keeping this Colony and was very impressed when they got their Charter and the members of it and what they are doing.

So, why be negative when there is a positive in front of us about the expansion of GLOs and relationships among different races?

Let them do their thing without haruanging on them!:rolleyes:

If I might add, the three Young I first met were Asian, Afro-American and Caucasian. They did not seem to have a problem with that at all.

Seems some on GC do!

That's wonderfully fantabulous.

I just don't understand it... And "this is OUR selection pool"...

Dude is clueless and he best be careful 'cuz there are plenty of high powered folks who would love to make homie the poster child as to why certain programs must be eliminated... Not saying I agree with this, just saying...

It seems like now even Bay-Bay's thug life for real kids are getting into somebody's Homie's Made-up University... But that's my opinion and you know what folks say about opinions...

*bump*

All of that hoopla in the GC threads and Pike at Howard** is inactive? How long did it last? People need to think long and hard about the sustainability of certain types of organizations before trying to cause such a stir and bring them to the yard. Their fate ends up just as their critics predicted.


**LXA at NC A&T is supposedly still active, correct?

Pikes at Howard. What a clusterfuck that was.

They never chartered and some of their members became Kappas when Xi Chapter came back in 07 and that's a fact. (We discussed that somewhere on here before.)

:eek:

Just as predicted.

It is always amusing when people make a big storm and say "respect our authoriTIE!" and then drift into obscurity, as folks predicted they would. FAIL.

I love Southpark.

That sounds like another case of "Wait for it....".

And I love cheesypoofs.

If you don't mind my complete lane swerve, for somebody with a solid understanding of both HBCUs and the Divine Nine, why do you say it was destined to fail? Several people have said this like it is obvious, and I am just curious to understand why. This isn't one of those posts where I'm asking the question only to follow up by saying that it's inherently bad for people to not respect a fraternity like Pike just because it's primarily white or anything like that. I'm more interested in what the cultural differences between the two fraternity systems are that would make it so obvious to those "in the know" (so to speak) but not obvious to those who aren't.

Is it the fact that a fraternity like Pike just is not capable of holding the same level of respect on a campus where the Divine Nine is so ubiquitously respected (similar to how something like Groove Phi Groove does not hold the same prestige as AKA or Alpha)? Is it that there would be a resentment to an admittedly Caucasian cultural institution appearing on a campus so steeped with African-American traditions? Is it the fact that the Pike chapter was attempting to have a chapter based on IFC style recruitment, social activities and philanthropy on a campus where Divine Nine style intake and programming is more appealing?

Once again I'm not asking this to pass judgment on the reason, I'm just curious.

You can probably read the two Pike at Howard threads on GC to answer all of your questions.

In MYYYYYYY opinion, I do believe an NIC fraternity could work at an HBCU, but it has to be the right one at the right time with the right group of students.

Problem number one: it really wasn't the right group of students. I'm sorry, but I know of several of these guys. Just....wack.

Problem number two: a Pike told me he felt that their chartering standards were too high for Pike to work at an HBCU, particularly the number of men required to charter and maintain a chapter.

Problem three: I have nothing but love for Pike, but I don't think it was the right fit for Howard culturally. I dunno... I feel like a smaller org with a different vibe might have been better. Delta Upsilon? The Dekes?

One more thing -- there was major, major white elephant in the room -- the absence of Kappa Alpha Psi on campus at the time the Pikes organized. I really don't think it would be a good idea to bring ANY new fraternity to Howard unless it could be proven through the presence of all five of the NPHC orgs that there was truly a need for a new social fraternity. And when the school determines the need, I reallllly think it should have had an expansion process more similar to NPC sororities -- allow groups to make presentations.

I guess what sucks is that the school didn't really have the infrastructure to deal with this.

But yeah, the biggest reason we knew it would fail is because we knew the guys were herbs.

That too, but I feel like there is a third thread which is missing. Am I trippin?

Thanks Senusret I!

I think you are 100% right on with this one. They would have been better off w/ one of the smaller IFC groups that is at mostly private schools and at at most of the Ivies. Psi U is the first one that springs to my mind, but there are others.

^^^ Yes. Exactly.

It seems missing. :eek: That's the good darn thread that I was trying to refer her to. It had the answer to every one of her questions. And this thread even answered some of her questions.

C-O-N-spiracy.

wow. i havent heard "herb" in a minute. im going to bring it back.

I agree with Sen and 33 - if i had to peg an IFC or NIC to colonize at Howard, Pike wasnt it. I'd have put a vote in for DKE as well, or even TKE (thats solely based on the TKEs i knew at my school).

I'm surprised a MCGLO wasnt suitable, outside of the "herbness" of the guys who wouldve been charter members. Maybe LUL?

Okay, I guess I found the 3 threads:

1) this thread
2) http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=75059
3) and (LOL) http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=75056

Lol, I find it refreshing that I wasn't the only one to think Psi U. :D

On a serious note however, I know Psi U appealed to a lot of our younger chapters because of the collective culture of the fraternity.

That 3rd one was fire! lol and i found my new siggy in there. Thanks!

LOL

I'm amused by the braggadociousness of some of the Pikes at HU and their supporters.

Some gems include "[I know some of these guys and] they aren't going to fail."

They were pimps in their own minds.

YES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n39ZAOKvCU

I love this song! LOL

<----just wanted to show off her new siggy

LMAOOOOO

I was goin awwwwfff in that thread!

^^^ Yes, you was and I is bumpin' it. :D