Do any of you ladies know if I can get a Taco Bell Crunch Wrap supreme without the meat?

-Rudey

Taco Bell has an "If we can make it, you can have it" policy. So, yes.

I'm sure you could, but I don't think there's much point to doing that. Do you keep kosher?

Well said!

All you need to know is the coke and bourbon diet. glass of bourbon in the morning, a line at lunch, and another glass of bourbon at dinner. Garunteed to lose 10 pounds a week.

But seriously, if you're fat, use your messageboard time to go do something like go running, and then grille chicken all the time. Being fat is no way to go through life.

I think that if a person is a grown @$$ adult, that the only thing you need to remember, regardless of whether that person is a smoker, or weighs 400 pounds, is Nobody asked me.

I'm not directing this at you personally, KLPDaisy, but the thing is - I'm not that person. I'm not living in his/her body. And you're not telling the fat person/the smoker anything that they haven't already heard a thousand times before, nor are you telling them anything that they haven't already thought themselves.

Just butt out. Seriously. Live your own life, and worry less about what grownups do with their own.

Ok so going back to this thread, I've definitely gained some weight in the past few weeks. Not a significant amount, and I'm not obese or overweight, but still. Last night my mother, in the fashion of all Russian Jewish mothers, decides to start nagging me about my weight, solely for the purpose of helping me, of course. She's yapping on and on about how dangerous it is for me with my history of heart disease, how no man will want to marry me (seriously), how I need to go on like a billion diets and whatnot. Which is very nice and all except that my mother is about 6 dress sizes bigger than I am. After she finishes up her spiel I ask her why doesn't she do all of the things that she suggests I do like going to the gym or dieting and she gets mad at me. It's really hard for me to keep a straight face when a person who's significantly larger than I am tells me I'm fat.

Is your mother a dentis and does she work in Toronto? My is exactly like your mother. She used to harp on me about my weight (and I know I'm a big person), but she was bigger than me!

No she's a finance director and works in New York. But yea. My personal favorite was the comment about marriage. And BTW, the skirt I'm wearing now is a size 8 and it's huge on me, so I don't even consider that to be fat. Not many people do.

I think I have a wierd mother. (in a nice way!) :D

Anytime I have a new boyfriend, she keeps saying to me, "What do you want a man for? They're nothing but trouble!" and "Don't get married!" LOL!

I've had that from my mother before. It was hurtful. Fortunately she can't use that one anymore because I am with someone who wants to marry me.

Fat people need to be reminded everyday that they are fat. It's like an unwritten law.

Doesn't it make you cringe anytime you go to work, and you see that rather large woman eat those candy bars, and then two minutes later those chips, drink that soda. Then an hour later she says, " oh man, I'm starvin marvin!". Then when 9 o clock comes, she does the whole cycle again. Then she stuffs a full plate of chinese food. Then stares at the cute skinny girl who walks by with her salad. as the cute skinny girl walks away she talks shit on her with her other fat friends.

Poor cute skinny girl :( She doesn't deserve to be tormented by fat mean girls. Sigh...


If you are fat then try these two things

1- don't eat
2- eat, and the puke it up

Or you can try,

1- don't eat so much you fatty (you know you eat ALOT more than you should)
2- get up and move once in a while, instead of posting on GC about obesity
3- Don't get mad at what BobbytheDon is saying, and use what he says as motivation to prove him wrong!


KLPDaisy, don't get all freakin butthurt that your mom is calling you fat. You gained weight. She is telling you. So she is larger than you. She is your mom. She is old. Moms are usually fatter than daughters. She is also right. Go work out! Do something! Don't eat! Get Lipo! Barf! Iono! Lose that weight!

Any chance you'd want to trade mothers? I've mentioned this in the D&R forum before, but back in the old country, it was thought that if a woman wasn't married by age 22, then she was destined to be an old maid forever and no man would want to marry her. My mom got married at 20. I'm 23, still single, and have no intentions of getting married anywhere in the foreseeable future. So as my entire family likes to remind my parents and I every chance they possibly get, there is no hope left for me.

Unhealthy people know that they are unhealthy.

Therefore, obese people know that they are obese and (if they are being honest with themselves) know that they are putting their health at risk. With the assumption that they are obese due to poor and overeating and not exercising.

I talk about health and fitness all the time and eat pretty healthy. If I had obese friends, I expect for some of my lifestyle to wear off on them without my having to initiate a discussion on obesity. I have found that unhealthy and/or overweight people initiate conversations with people who they know are living a healthy lifestyle.

These convos tend to start with "wow, i see you eating healthy all the time/working out all the time. I need to start doing whatever you're doing."

My response is "well, go ahead and start doing it. There's no secret to it, you just have to do it and stick to it everyday. I can tell you MY health and workout regiment if you want but if you have any health issues or more than 40lbs you want to lose, I'd first talk to your doctor if I were you."

I have the grandma who's doing the same thing, except her comments are more like: You have to be from your Dad's side of the family, you don't look like our side. You have the body from your dad's side.. we're smaller.

You don't have "Mom's family" hands, do you?

Ever thought about getting your nose done? Why not? Don't you wish your nose was skinny and cute like mine? (Yeah you bought yours grandma..)

And... "I've heard of the freshman 15 but aren't you supposed to lose that?"

I'm not obese by anymeans, but I'm overweight for my bodyframe and THANK YOU senile grandma, I'm aware of that.

My mom on the other hand has asked me if I want to do Atkins with her or if I'm interested in doing Weight Watchers or something like that. That I'm ok with because she's offering solutions not ripping on me

There was an old lady who lived on my street. One day, after I said hello to her, she said, "You know, you're such a pretty girl, but I hate those earrings."

So, I simply replied, "Well, I hate your hat!"

She looked shocked for a moment, and then said, "Ok, I guess that's fair." And she laughed.

Sometimes older people don't realize what they're saying is hurtful... and sometimes, you just have to point it out to them.

Yeah, she doesn't really realize that what she's saying is hurtful.. but she doesn't stop because she has short term memory problems

As someone who lost 45 lbs recently and is trying to lose 45 more (I got stuck at a plateau on weight watchers UGH!) I can say something very clearly.... I Know I am fat. This is not news to me. I have known since I was in junior high school. I was on the swim team, trying wearing a speedo in front of your whole school for meets, it doesn't let you escape the fact you are fat.

I was lucky I had friends who were supportive of me instead of tearing me down. Even when I was my heavist they encouraged me with comments like "I noticed your legs are more toned then they used to be, that is great, keep it up. Did you go to the gym today cause you are looking good." Those kind of comments kept me from getting more depressed (most of my weight come on from losing several family members in a short amount of time) and kept me moviated. They even went out of their way to suggest resturants that had lower fat options so I would not feel "weird" asking for something different. Friends should raise you up not tear you down.

If it's a sudden weight gain or loss approach it more from the attitude you see of the person. My best friend flat out sat me down and said "I know losing your grandma was super hard on you, since then I have noticed some changes in you. Can I help make anything better?" She started weight watchers with me even though she only wanted to lose 10 lbs. We both joined the same gym and she made sure I didn't go alone the first few weeks.

I think it might be relevant to point out the obesity issue if it pertinent to the converation.

IF someone who is very overweight has trouble getting members of the opposit sex to like them, and they complain about it, a gentle hint that weight loss might help could be beneficial.

Same thing if they always complain of being over tired or have related health problems.

And, I totally disagree. Do you actually think they don't know why they are having trouble getting a date? Do you actually think they don't know why they don't feel well?

Fat does not cause brain damage. Give overweight people some credit!

If there's a health related problem I'd suggest referring to a doctor. S/he can tell them to lose weight.

But i still see nothing wrong with talking to a close friend/sister about it. Especially if it's an indicator of more serious issues.

Overweight people KNOW they're overweight. But they don't necessarily know that someone's there for them. It's the same reason you give someone your support for any other major life issue.

Congrats on those 45 pounds!!!!!!!! Hitting the plateau SUCKS. I've lost 20 lbs. myself and now I've hit a plateau as well. But knowing that it can be done gives me the motivation to get the rest of it off!!!!!

Fat does cause brain damage actually . . or at least lifestyles that lead to fat. Also there is the whole insulin issue and how it effects the body.

As far as what you are saying: If the person is whining to you about getting a date or health issues with the whole, "why is this happening to me" attitude, it seems correct to mention the obesity issue.

Allowing someone to be in denial about it doesn't seem very helpful.

Besides, being overweight isn't cancer or a deformity or something else that can't be changed, in fact its one of the few things that are pretty much under a person's control.

I would hope my friends would be honest enough and care about me enough to pull me aside and let me know if I have a serious weight problem. I would most likely know or be guessing I had one already. I do think it would be important for them to let me know it is because they are my friend and they would rather tell me than so idiot i do not know on the street or in the market palce.

Cameron Bishop
Phi Mu Alpha
Delta Omega Chapter Alumnus

Do you not have a mirror? NO ONE should tell ANYONE that they are overweight. It is none of their business.. and the overweight person KNOWS they are overweight. The only thing you can do.. as a FRIEND is to be their FRIEND.

It's a shame how society discriminates people just because of how they look.

Before you make a statement like that, please back it up with some scientific proof. I would like to see a link for a study which concludes fat leads to brain damage.

Why would you make me support the obvious?

Actually there is a whole bunch more but its 4am . . if you like we can discuss the role of obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes and cognitive decline as well as premature aging.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

Its wierd. Obesity will more likely kill you than smoking or drinking, and yet its cool to tell someone they shouldn't smoke or drink. In fact its encouraged.

And to use the argument BlueAngel is using: They freaking know they smoke and drink!

But we tell them anyway. Sheez. Whats the difference?

I agree that obesity causes a host of ills... which in turn cause a host of ills. However, I still am not convinced on your premise that it causes brain damage. The study you cited only looked at OLDER people... and it was far from conclusive.

The other study regarding memory loss cites those who have insulin problems. There are many diabetics that acquired the disease, yet they had low body fat. So, I suppose you could make the connection indirectly that obesity sometimes leads to type two diabetes that sometimes leads to memory loss. A bit of a stretch, but technically, I suppose you could make that analogy.

Please do not misunderstand me. I agree with you that obestiy is very unhealthy.. as is smoking. However.. the people who are overweight and who smoke do not live in a vacuum. They know they have unhealthy lifestyles.. it is just really hard to change. If it was easy, everyone would be thin, fit, and non smoking.

I think your heart is in the right place. You're worried about others. However.. pointing out things they already know about themselves is hurtful and can actually make their habit worse.

The best thing you can do is just be a good friend and support them if and when they're ready to make a major lifestyle change.

Perhaps I should go back and read all the posts, but I just wanted to add to what those have already said about the relationship between obesity and cognitive function (i.e. memory, perception, etc). A recent study has show that there is a link between type 2 diabetes and Alzheimers disease. Type 2 happens to be the subset of diabetes related to obesity...

However, I think whether or not you're obese should be a personal health issue. Mainstream culture perpetuates the ideal that skinny (or near skinny) is the prototype. But skinny isn't necessarily healthy. A skinny person is susceptible to the same risk of acquiring high blood pressure, diabetes, and other (preventative) illnesses as a bigger person, especially if they are suffering from an eating disorder.

As for being aesthetically pleasing, that's relative. Shoot, some women (and men for that matter) could stand to gain a few pounds in my opinion. Not everyone follows the "status quo" when it comes to looks. Just because you wouldn't date someone who you perceive to be fat, doesn't mean someone else won't. To each his own.

But kudos to everyone who's lost weight. It's a struggle. I've been there myself and know that it takes a lot of faith and dedication to make it work :)

A lot of the problem with obesity is our food industry. Do you know that cereal companies and cookie companies employ food scientists to formulate our food to make us crave more? Ever wonder why you can't stop at just one bowl of cereal, or one cookie? It's not will-power-- it's how the food has been engineered to make you not feel full.

Another problem is the widespread attitives such as high fructose corn syrup and the transfats. And, even though a label may say the food contains no trans fats.. it still might. If it's below a certain percentage per "serving" (and who ever eats one serving?) a food company can claim "no trans fats."

So if you see the words "hydrogonated" or "partially hydrogenated" or "high fructose corn syrum" --- run! Once you start reading food labels, you'll be horrified at how wide spread these very unhealthy ingredients are.

A breakfast idea for good eatin' and healthy too!
 

As someone who "eats" clean (It's a lifestyle that I have been following for a year now, where I do my best to avoid processed food) and competes in "Figure", I can tell you that the vast majority of stuff sold in the grocery is processed crap. If it's sold in a box (i.e. cereal, cookies, crackers etc), it's processed and it's crap.

An example of a healthy, minimally processed, breakfast is a 1/2 to 3/4 cup of slow-cooked oatmeal (or better yet, oatmeal made from steel cut oats), and stir in 3/4 cup of egg whites. Microwave it for a bit, then take it out and stir, stir, stir. Microwave it a bit more, if it needs it (depending on how powerful your micro is) It should come out nice and fluffy. It will hot as blazes, so stir in 1/2 cup of raspberries or blueberries or strawberries. You can also add in some stevia and cinnamon for flavor. You could even crush 5-7 almonds and add those in too for crunchy yummy flavor, although that will start to add a bit more fat content (because there is already fat in the flax).

Anyhow, this breakfast is very nummy (in my opinion) and very good for you too.

For lunch, I have chicken breasts or tuna, sweet potatoes or rice or yams, green vegetables and water...LOTS of water.
Small meals, every 3 hours is the key!

BMI (Body Mass Index) Calculator (Adult)

A lot of obese people don't perceive themselves as being obese. Were I obese, morbidly or mildly, I'd want to hear it from my doctor first. Then I would want my friends to pummel my self-esteem into a fatty paste until I did something about it. Obesity is not an indicator of moral failure, but I doubt that most obese people eat right and exercise.

I may be obese and not even know it. I guess that's like being secretly fat, but being the only person not in on the secret.

from here.


another related article

I'm not a big fan of the Dr. Phil show.. but I saw a promo yesterday and HAD to watch. The subject was about a man who married a model thin woman who had gained more than 100 pounds. Did she know she was overweight? Yes. Did she want to lose weight? Yes. Had she tried? Yes. Was she successful? No.

Part of the reason was that she ate for emotional reasons. And guess what her wonderful, thoughtful, caring hubby said to her? Get out of the way, you're so fat you're blocking the TV! And other gems like that.

With someone telling you constantly that you need to lose weight.. and stabbing at your self esteem.. it's no wonder she's having so much trouble.

Telling an overweight person they're overweight is cruel.

yes, that situation is cruel, but encourageing healthy activities like exerosize and a healthy diet is not.

It's cruel to call attention to a problem the person is well aware of.

what if the person isn't aware of it?

Aware of what? That they're not overweight? How can one not know they're overweight?

There's a difference between being overweight and being obese. A person who is obese may think that (s)he is just overweight and not realize by how much or how unhealthy (s)he is.

Given that I compete in Figure competitions (where nutrition is of great importance), and I've learned a lot about a healthy eating regimen, a lot of people don't even know what a "healthy" diet is.

Sure, given my sport, what I eat is a tad 'extreme' (because avoiding processed food is not so easy), but when people say, "I watch what I eat", they don't know what the "h" they are talking about.

Things like pizza, ice cream etc. while tasty, are pretty much crap. You're better off eating chicken breasts, tuna, turkey, sweet potatoes, brown rice, etc. Even things like bread and cheese, and sausage aren't great --they're processed. You get more bang for your nutritional buck from things like slow-cooked oatmeal, and what I mentioned above.

Lastly, when you eat "clean" and do weights, you will find that you don't even need to do that much cardio. If you need to do TONS AND TONS AND TONS AND TONS of cardio to lose a bit of weight, it is often your nutrition (or lack thereof) that is the problem.

I eat about every 3 hours, with small, pre-portioned meals (Tupperware is my friend). I also save money by not buying my lunch from some food outlet (I can also be safely assured that no one has spat in my food, either....eeew)
For example, for lunch I will have:
4 oz chicken breast, 1/2 cup sweet potato, 1/2 cup broccoli, 7 almonds and lots of water!